ENIC...

[dontcallme]

Because we didn’t sell when we should or bought when should of these last two windows have been almost emergency windows to rebuild an aging team.

I think the good news is that with Lo Celso, Ndombele, Sessegnon, Bergwjin, Gedson and hopefully Paitek and Perhaps an outside shot of a DM plus the emergence of Tanganga we are well on our way to rebuilding.

It was sad and perhaps inevitable that Poch’s reign would come to an end with a stale squad and he has probably every right to feel some annoyance that after delivering so much cash to the club through CL qualification he didn’t get a chance to rebuild.

Without the stadium we probably would have spent more on the squad and had a stronger squad, we may have even won the title the year Chelsea won it or won the CL last year, Poch may have been able to gradually rebuild and everything that came to ahead never happened.

But the stadium will keep us financially competitive over a long period, in the short term though it was always going to hurt us. My only regret from the club is that they should have been more honest, you don’t go many windows on zero bet spend and two windows buying no one unless something is up.

I certainly agree that we took our eye off the ball with transfers for the last 3 seasons.

Poch did constantly talk about slow integration and development. So if we weren't spending but were focusing on development then we could compete. Unfortunately the youth players weren't developing and many of the young signings weren't showing high levels of development either.

The stadium is completed now and turnover is up. The only way to increase our turnover is to increase our success.

What I find strange is the fans who are not in favour of Levy and ENIC don't seem to be encouraged at all by the signings in the summer and this month. Whatever your feelings on the last 4 season's transfers surely there is room for encouragement at the last two windows.

 

[dontcallme]

It's the definition of confirmation bias.
Plain and simple.

You would say that.

 

[buckley]

My only problem with Enic and Levy is that it is a known fact that buying when in a strong position is the best thing to do .
The year we had a blank on signings was the time to go big if they had done we would not be scrambling the way we are .
Because I see buying now is filling gaps in a weakened side as opposed to strengthening an already strong team .
I might be wrong but historically teams that supplement a winning team carry on winning .
I just hope these buys are not desperation at the thought of missing out on 4th place .

 

[southlondonyiddo]

I certainly agree that we took our eye off the ball with transfers for the last 3 seasons.

Poch did constantly talk about slow integration and development. So if we weren't spending but were focusing on development then we could compete. Unfortunately the youth players weren't developing and many of the young signings weren't showing high levels of development either.

The stadium is completed now and turnover is up. The only way to increase our turnover is to increase our success.

What I find strange is the fans who are not in favour of Levy and ENIC don't seem to be encouraged at all by the signings in the summer and this month. Whatever your feelings on the last 4 season's transfers surely there is room for encouragement at the last two windows.

Maybe they aren’t encouraged because it’s a continuous cycle of 'what ifs'

Just as we are on the cusp of success ENIC doesn’t spend to improve our chances of that success

Their business model is to get us to a level where we can compete for those top 4 spots. They clearly aren’t bothered about silverware or the possibility of winning a league title

Manager after manager after manager has not been backed. We naively thought that was because Levy/ENIC didn’t quite think they were 'the one'

Surely Poch was 'the one' Incredibly loyalty, fantastic footballing ethos. Could maybe even have build a dynasty but again was not backed

A net spend of 8m over 5 seasons with the results he achieved whilst building a new stadium and playing away every week, unbelievable

Maybe some are just fed up with excuse after excuse after excuse and would love the board to think a little more about Glory and a little less about business

 

[Shadydan]

Bruno, Cavani, Bale and Koulibaly ofc.

Ahh of course fans expectations is getting in the way of reality, that's normally how it works.

 

[dontcallme]

Maybe they aren’t encouraged because it’s a continuous cycle of 'what ifs'

Just as we are on the cusp of success ENIC doesn’t spend to improve our chances of that success

Their business model is to get us to a level where we can compete for those top 4 spots. They clearly aren’t bothered about silverware or the possibility of winning a league title

Manager after manager after manager has not been backed. We naively thought that was because Levy/ENIC didn’t quite think they were 'the one'

Surely Poch was 'the one' Incredibly loyalty, fantastic footballing ethos. Could maybe even have build a dynasty but again was not backed

A net spend of 8m over 5 seasons with the results he achieved whilst building a new stadium and playing away every week, unbelievable

Maybe some are just fed up with excuse after excuse after excuse and would love the board to think a little more about Glory and a little less about business

Fair enough points.

I believe ENIC's model is one of growth. When Jol took us to 5th and we were trying to get 4th our turnover was ridiculously lower than Arsenal's and the other sides in the top 4.

Our wage bill has tripled since then.

I believe ENIC's goal was always to build to get the stadium and once turnover is high then we can spend within our means.

Your post has kind of proven my point. You go on and on about historical net spend but now we have the stadium and spending is up you still want to talk about the past and not be encouraged by recent transfer windows. I don't really get it.

 

[For the love of Spurs]

I certainly agree that we took our eye off the ball with transfers for the last 3 seasons.

Poch did constantly talk about slow integration and development. So if we weren't spending but were focusing on development then we could compete. Unfortunately the youth players weren't developing and many of the young signings weren't showing high levels of development either.

The stadium is completed now and turnover is up. The only way to increase our turnover is to increase our success.

What I find strange is the fans who are not in favour of Levy and ENIC don't seem to be encouraged at all by the signings in the summer and this month. Whatever your feelings on the last 4 season's transfers surely there is room for encouragement at the last two windows.

Absolutely. I think with Poch his methods and ways of doing things required a gradual turnover of players, not a stale squad, his methods always required 3-6 months with a player minimum to get used to the way he wanted them to play so when we didn’t buy and sell when we needed and the squad declined it was difficult to fix.

I have been very critical of Levy in recent years in relation to the backing he gave Poch considering what Poch did for us. In hindsight the stadium was most likely the driving factor, I just wish we didn’t put out statements like the stadium won’t impact transfer budgets and where more honest. It made the club and Levy look either crap or negligent when it came to the squad side of things. I think most fans would have been more tolerant if they where told this stadium will hurt a lot in the short term but it will be great for the long term.

Anyway that is done now and yes I am very happy with the investment. We are one striker (Paitek hopefully) and a defensive midfielder away from a balanced rebuilt team.

 

[Danny1]

Example 1 - Spurs don't sign anyone:
"Levy is a w*nker, we need playeeerrrrrrsss.......Levy OUT!"

Example 2 - Spurs sign potentially 4 players:
"Levy has bought unproven Premier League players, it's a punt, Levy OUT!"

Why don't we just all agree that the last two years have not been the correct way to behave as a top level Premier League club, however it has to be tapered with the fact that the stadium was being built (even though Levy said it wouldn't affect transfers). However, in the last 6 months we have bought:

Ndombele - one of the most sought after young midfielders in the world.
Lo Celso - massively rated midfielder.
Gedson - a young midfielder with a lot of potential & one that our manager wanted.
Bergwijn - a very highly rated and talented young winger, a position we needed reinforcements.
Sessegnon - incredibly highly rated young player.
Clarke - highly rated, one for the future.
(Potentially) Piatek - a clinical forward in a position we desperately need.

Now who is to say that had Tanganga not taken his chance like he has, we potentially would have signed a defender on top of this.

Add all the above to the fact that:

- We got £17m for Eriksen, 5 months left on Contract, and moved on a player who simply didn't want to be here.
- Looks like Rose will be on his way, another player who simply doesn't want to be here.
- Looks like good loan moves for KWP & potentially Foyth who both need the games.

Now Levy does deserve some criticism for some of the things he has done during his time as Chairman however we are now the 7th richest club in the world (richest in London), the best stadium in the world, the best training facilities in the world and have a winner in Mourinho who appears to be getting backed. Compare that to the 90's when I was old enough to understand football & we are an infinitely bigger & better club that we were back then.

To sum up, I think Levy deserves some credit as do all of our managers who have done well working for him to all get us to this point, Martin Jol, Juande Ramos, Harry Redknapp, Pochettino & now Mourinho.

 

[southlondonyiddo]

Fair enough points.

I believe ENIC's model is one of growth. When Jol took us to 5th and we were trying to get 4th our turnover was ridiculously lower than Arsenal's and the other sides in the top 4.

Our wage bill has tripled since then.

I believe ENIC's goal was always to build to get the stadium and once turnover is high then we can spend within our means.

Your post has kind of proven my point. You go on and on about historical net spend but now we have the stadium and spending is up you still want to talk about the past and not be encouraged by recent transfer windows. I don't really get it.

We have to spend to keep us in the mix of that top 4 and we have less valuable assets to sell atm or until Kane becomes completely fed up and disillusioned!!!

 

[Shadydan]

Maybe they aren’t encouraged because it’s a continuous cycle of 'what ifs'

Just as we are on the cusp of success ENIC doesn’t spend to improve our chances of that success

Their business model is to get us to a level where we can compete for those top 4 spots. They clearly aren’t bothered about silverware or the possibility of winning a league title

Manager after manager after manager has not been backed. We naively thought that was because Levy/ENIC didn’t quite think they were 'the one'

Surely Poch was 'the one' Incredibly loyalty, fantastic footballing ethos. Could maybe even have build a dynasty but again was not backed

A net spend of 8m over 5 seasons with the results he achieved whilst building a new stadium and playing away every week, unbelievable

Maybe some are just fed up with excuse after excuse after excuse and would love the board to think a little more about Glory and a little less about business

Aren't bothered about Silverware?...clearly ENIC's fault that we've reached 20 semi finals since 1991 and only won one measly cup in that time, totally ENIC's fault that Poch decided to play Son at LWB against Chelsea despite having Davies on the bench, likewise their fault as well we lost to a shite Portsmouth team in the FA Cup in 2009, I could go on but you get the point...

This is what you call twisting the narrative to suit ones agenda, why everyone needs to I have no idea, it's almost as if some Spurs fans have anti ENIC/Levy tourettes and keep repeating ENIC out but have no idea why they're saying it.

 

[dontcallme]

We have to spend to keep us in the mix of that top 4 and we have less valuable assets to sell atm or until Kane becomes completely fed up and disillusioned!!!

So we're back to when ENIC don't spend they are being tight but when they do spend it is with some level of desperation.

 

[southlondonyiddo]

Absolutely. I think with Poch his methods and ways of doing things required a gradual turnover of players, not a stale squad, his methods always required 3-6 months with a player minimum to get used to the way he wanted them to play so when we didn’t buy and sell when we needed and the squad declined it was difficult to fix.

I have been very critical of Levy in recent years in relation to the backing he gave Poch considering what Poch did for us. In hindsight the stadium was most likely the driving factor, I just wish we didn’t put out statements like the stadium won’t impact transfer budgets and where more honest. It made the club and Levy look either crap or negligent when it came to the squad side of things. I think most fans would have been more tolerant if they where told this stadium will hurt a lot in the short term but it will be great for the long term.

Anyway that is done now and yes I am very happy with the investment. We are one striker (Paitek hopefully) and a defensive midfielder away from a balanced rebuilt team.

Are you also very happy with the fact that ENIC made the business decision of getting rid of Poch and appointing Mourinho, thinking it would cost them less money over the next year or two?

 

[For the love of Spurs]

We have to spend to keep us in the mix of that top 4 and we have less valuable assets to sell atm or until Kane becomes completely fed up and disillusioned!!!

I think if we get a DM along with the striker we still have a shot at top 4, the team will then have balance.

 

[NEVILLEB]

We didn't lose our manager, he was sacked after a year of inconsistent results. I loved Poch as much as anyone on here and will be forever grateful but something happened behind the scenes that none of us are aware of and ultimately his time with us was up. He took us to 2 finals and 2 semi finals and should have at least got something tangible for his time with us.

Newsflash

We’ve bought in one of the most successful managers of all time and we’re still crap.

 

[For the love of Spurs]

Are you also very happy with the fact that ENIC made the business decision of getting rid of Poch and appointing Mourinho, thinking it would cost them less money over the next year or two?

Hard one. I think a lot of the players and maybe the manager where knackered, we’d been for so long punching so much above our weight that when it finally came down it really came down.

Emotionally I was so sad to see the best manager we had in decades leave but I can logically understand the call, Levy probably thought less players would leave and the rebuild would be smaller under Jose and it would put some fire in our belly.

 

[Donki]

Newsflash

We’ve bought in one of the most successful managers of all time and we’re still crap.

Come on how long has he been here? You are better than that.

 

[NEVILLEB]

So when we spend it is "panic buying" but when we don't spend it is Levy not spending?

It’s obviously panic buying when we’ve lost our Manager, most creative player and could lose our best defender with the very real prospect of losing out on Champions League money.

 

[dontcallme]

Hard one. I think a lot of the players and maybe the manager where knackered, we’d been for so long punching so much above our weight that when it finally came down it really came down.

Emotionally I was so sad to see the best manager we had in decades leave but I can logically understand the call, Levy probably thought less players would leave and the rebuild would be smaller under Jose and it would put some fire in our belly.

The fact Alderweireld has already signed a new contract is encouraging. Looked like there was no chance when Poch was here.

We have hired a successful manager who is used to spending and in his first transfer window we have made one purchase, one loan, made a loan deal permanent and possibly looking at at least one more deal.

I fail to see why people aren't encouraged by this.

 

[McFlash]

Ffs, can we at least have a full season in the new stadium, with all the bunce that will bring, before we accuse Enic of having no ambition.

It's been said so many times but now they've finally got all their ducks in a row, let's at least give them a chance to make the most out of it.

So far, since we've been in the stadium, I would say that Enic are showing a fair bit of ambition.

 

[dontcallme]

It’s obviously panic buying when we’ve lost our Manager, most creative player and could lose our best defender with the very real prospect of losing out on Champions League money.

So you'd be happy if we weren't buying right now?

We get that you don't like ENIC and as a result you twist absolutely everything they do into the negative.