Match Threads Everton vs Spurs - Match Thread - Day 32

[fishhhandaricecake]

First time in a long time that a match meant nothing to me and probably to most other fans. Had we lost 3 nil or won 5-1, I’d have felt exactly the same. For me that is when I know time is up for this manager and many of these players. Did anyone really care what happened last night?

The full cycle is now complete and a refresh is needed from top to bottom of this club. You can see we’re rudderless and have no idea as a club where we are going.

Sad as it is to say, I don’t think HK was shaking his head as he came off because of his injury, it was a shake of the head which said “this is It for me”. We’ve broken the best player of our generation with performances of a championship side in the last 3-4 months. Everyone at the club is to blame, from coaches, to players, to the board.

But mainly Harry Winks

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

First time in a long time that a match meant nothing to me and probably to most other fans. Had we lost 3 nil or won 5-1, I’d have felt exactly the same. For me that is when I know time is up for this manager and many of these players. Did anyone really care what happened last night?

The full cycle is now complete and a refresh is needed from top to bottom of this club. You can see we’re rudderless and have no idea as a club where we are going.

Sad as it is to say, I don’t think HK was shaking his head as he came off because of his injury, it was a shake of the head which said “this is It for me”. We’ve broken the best player of our generation with performances of a championship side in the last 3-4 months. Everyone at the club is to blame, from coaches, to players, to the board.

Completely agree

 

[Tony-Bish]

I’m not angry or disappointed with Mourinho as much as I’m angry and disappointed with the players.

If a normal person goes to work with a bad attitude, thinking the boss is a prick and puts in next to no effort, I think it should be them who gets the sack, not the boss.

Some bosses will actually create an environment that people thrive in. Do you see that under Jose? Jose absolutely has some of the blame for the environment he creates with the players. Being able to get the best out of them is part of his job.

However, if we keep Jose we need to back him with players who have this desire to be the best and to win. I’m not opposed to him staying but we’d have to back him and get the kind of players he wants in. But then there’s the argument that he brought in a number of players who are not performing.

If we’re not going to back him, we need to get in someone who will create an environment that these players will thrive.
The damning thing for me is these players don’t look like they enjoy themselves. Kane and Son included, they need the shackles taken off. Our strength is in attack so why do we keep focusing on defence, we do t have the players for it.

I think things would be different if Jose played expansive attacking football, but his instance on trying to be defensively solid isn’t working.

 

[Tony-Bish]

What asking him if he thinks Bale is worth the money?

Imagine being this much of a lick arse to a forum moderator. Big man? God given talent? How fucking cringey. He’s not gonna shag you, you absolute cuck

Wow, not having a good day?

 

[shelfmonkey]

Wow, not having a good day?

I reckon he was born having a bad day and it's carried on ever since.

 

[shelfmonkey]

Some bosses will actually create an environment that people thrive in. Do you see that under Jose? Jose absolutely has some of the blame for the environment he creates with the players. Being able to get the best out of them is part of his job.

However, if we keep Jose we need to back him with players who have this desire to be the best and to win. I’m not opposed to him staying but we’d have to back him and get the kind of players he wants in. But then there’s the argument that he brought in a number of players who are not performing.

If we’re not going to back him, we need to get in someone who will create an environment that these players will thrive.
The damning thing for me is these players don’t look like they enjoy themselves. Kane and Son included, they need the shackles taken off. Our strength is in attack so why do we keep focusing on defence, we do t have the players for it.

I think things would be different if Jose played expansive attacking football, but his instance on trying to be defensively solid isn’t working.

Agree with the 1st, 3rd and last paragraph, however, the 2nd is not an option imo.

 

[rez9000]

Thinking the boss is a prick and the boss being a useless, outdated prick are two entirely different things! You turn up for work and the boss makes your job impossible to do, to achieve max potential because of his methods, you get the hump and your morale, focus and desire are impaired, that is down to management not the employee!!

I think it's a bit of both, shelfy - as most are saying.

There's one key difference when it comes to football - the employees aren't just there to do a job of work for the manager. As players for a club they have other bosses to answer to too: us.

Even if their morale is being eroded by their immediate boss, they should still understand that they are required to deliver for us too and put in the right effort and show desire.

That's not a defence of Mourinho in any way, only an indictment of the selfishness rampant within the player constituency generally - more and more, players seem to ensconce themselves in a bubble that's made up of huge wealth and privilege, insulated from the realities of the world. As a result, they give themselves the right to deprioritise what should be one of the highest priorities for a football player - playing for the supporters.

 

[ralphs bald spot]

Players have to be given an environment to play and even more so the way the side is set up tp play - I can't see any plan in our attacking play at all when we don't have the ball which is often players don't know their jobs the confidence has been drained out of them - they haven't all become poor players over night

I don't think the players have given up strangely but tactically we are a joke and thats being reflected in the performances - the players aren't playing to their potential but its hard to see how they can with the tactical nous being shown by our tactical genius

 

[DiVaio]

West Ham are a couple of good signings away from having a better team too, whether we want to admit it or not. Their keeper is just as good if not better. Defence is better, midfield just as good. Performing better.

Blind arrogance will get us nowhere.

Watch Newcastle goals, do you still think what you said is true?

 

[ralphs bald spot]

No Matthew. I’m not saying Mourinho is blameless. I never said that. I dispute the notion it’s all his fault. The players are 100% more culpable. They have downed tools. They are getting paid full whack for less than full effort. I don’t let a personal vendetta towards Jose cloud that.

Sorry I can't have that the set up of the side is huge part of the problem - players don't know what they are doing - with the ball we struggle because players are hiding lack of confidence whatever you want to call it -

without the ball its worse we drop into a deep line but there is no pressure on the ball sides have the freedom of the midfield to develop play control the game annd there is no answer to it. There is no cohesion to the defending as a side Hojberg wants to hunt the ball there is no back up to that. We defend so deep it gives sides control and time and the mdifield ends up almost jogging into what are laughably defensive positions but are not doing anything they are not forming a bank because the line is immediately flawed. You have to have some semblance of organisation with and without the ball players have to have jobs to do.

Last night we play a back 5 and have had a week to work on it and perfect it it was all over the place the two wings didn't know whether to go or stay the 3 centre backs were looking at each other to lead and the midfield was worse than normal and thats difficult. We have no contol in any game and sorry thats tactical

 

[Tony-Bish]

Agree with the 1st, 3rd and last paragraph, however, the 2nd is not an option imo.

I was really trying to be impartial and offer a balanced counter argument but I don’t really believe it. It’s the only possibility if we keep him though I think. But I don’t think we have the money to buy the players Jose needs, so we need someone who can get the best out of the players we can buy.

 

[sebo_sek]

Thinking the boss is a prick and the boss being a useless, outdated prick are two entirely different things! You turn up for work and the boss makes your job impossible to do, to achieve max potential because of his methods, you get the hump and your morale, focus and desire are impaired, that is down to management not the employee!!

Exactly. Asking your staff to perform the impossible on a whim and then moaning about the inevitable outcome is just ludicrus.

 

[sebo_sek]

And of course Newcastle beat the spammers...

 

[shelfmonkey]

I was really trying to be impartial and offer a balanced counter argument but I don’t really believe it. It’s the only possibility if we keep him though I think. But I don’t think we have the money to buy the players Jose needs, so we need someone who can get the best out of the players we can buy.

Agree, there's no way Levy will ever sanction the level of spending Jose would require! It's one of the reasons Levy should never have hired him in the first place, this really is squarely on Levy's shoulders, no one can excuse him on this, try as they might!!

 

[rupsmith]

Some bosses will actually create an environment that people thrive in. Do you see that under Jose? Jose absolutely has some of the blame for the environment he creates with the players. Being able to get the best out of them is part of his job.

However, if we keep Jose we need to back him with players who have this desire to be the best and to win. I’m not opposed to him staying but we’d have to back him and get the kind of players he wants in. But then there’s the argument that he brought in a number of players who are not performing.

If we’re not going to back him, we need to get in someone who will create an environment that these players will thrive.
The damning thing for me is these players don’t look like they enjoy themselves. Kane and Son included, they need the shackles taken off. Our strength is in attack so why do we keep focusing on defence, we do t have the players for it.

I think things would be different if Jose played expansive attacking football, but his instance on trying to be defensively solid isn’t working.

I posted this in a different context but the same thing applies.

I dont disagree with your post in principle but when this same bunch of players get one top manager sacked and a managerial legend look past his sell by date, I start thinking the players may have some role to play.

 

[bozzaSPUR]

I reckon he was born having a bad day and it's carried on ever since.

He’s a tosser

 

[Blackrat1299]

The most frustrating thing is this match showed what Kane can do with good service. The fact that the service had to come from Michael Keane was the biggest issue.

Buy Michael Keane!

 

[Norgie]

I was away in Devon the week just gone, I asked my oldest (14) when we were playing and we both thought it was the weekend. He then came and told me last night we were playing and the game had almost ended, a big part of me was glad, sad times.

 

[spursfan77]

Their goals were completely avoidable had players been tracking runners and doing their jobs properly. Ultimately it’s the players’ faults but how we are set up doesn’t help. Plus, are the players motivated to do their jobs. Probably not.

 

[mumfordspur]

For me it was one of the better least memorable games.
I said to Mrs M "looks like 2 upper mid table teams slugging it out"

What the hell was Reguilon doing it was like he didnt know the player was there.