Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte

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Ok Daniel

We need a <yawn> emoticon.

 

[KingKay]

I dont really buy all this media "Conte is SO angry" stuff, fella has been here for 5 minutes and this Jan seems to be lighter on movement than normal.

Don't believe everything you read, its a story and a narrative they want to push because Spurs fucking up AGAIN will be big news. They want it to happen

I cannot believe for a second that the club are that stupid to hire him and not have spoken about the plan and I also don't believe they were stupid enough to promise him much in January at all, the summer is where the fireworks will happen and if he doesnt get backed then, then I can see it becoming a problem. A big problem

Agreed, the media are itching for him to walk out the door.

Weirdly, some in here seem to be rooting for the same outcome Self-fulfilling prophecy and all that.

 

[JCRD]

If you believe the Summer is going to be any different then you are in for a surprise.

It doesn’t matter who’s in charge for us, our spending policy remains the same.

I dont know for certain and im remaining optimistic.

We have spent money, the issue is we spent it on shite. Thats not a spending issue but a recruitment issue and thats where Paratici comes in but he has also spent on shite - Emerson, Gil, Gollini. Im not a Levy lover or apologist and he has fucked up particularly in leaving football as the last port of call.

However im just saying that i dont think going around spending 200m on players that are not our first choice in January when our first choice players are available in the summer is sensible.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

This is not gonna end well ?

He’s clearly not going to get what he wants & as every day passes it’s becoming more obvious, we’ve ‘run out of time’.

Has there been any recent ITK that this is the case or are you just guessing mate?

We may or may not end up with anything from 0-3 signings but whatever happens I don't think Conte will be too fussed either way as he knows January is difficult and that Summer is when the big clear-out and the majority of signings will happen.

That being said I still think we will get Traore over the line and hopefully 1-2 others which considering it is January and we've traditionally barely ever made more than 1 signing in January then would be a good outcome.

I think everyone is panicking and guessing and assuming the worst mostly because of the past under Levy but we have FP in charge of transfers now and Conte wouldn't have joined if he'd not been agreed to be properly backed so I think some of the negativity and worrying is OTT.

Lets see where we are at come 1st Feb but lets also see where we are at for the start of next season, if by then we've not significantly strengthened the squad then we will know about it and Conte will have walked next summer but I really just can't see that happening, there are tons of players out of contract next summer that we could be lining up to take advantage of.

In Conte's first summer at Juve with FP he signed 10 players!! Barely any of these were huge money signings but they overhauled the squad. If we can sign Traore and move on 3 big earners in TN, GLC and DA this Jan then that is a big step forward for this transfer window, setting us up nicely to really attack the summer window.

Its as if the fans and media are willing him to walk out the door because of his comments about the gap in terms of quality between us and Chelsea but its nothing new. He will have known that when he joined a few months back, he will have been aware of it again 3x this month each time we've lost to Chelsea and Conte, FP and DL will have a mid-long term plan to start to close the gap. As Conte has said this won't take one transfer window or a few it will takes a few years but they're starting now. I really think we will be fine and we don't need to worry about Conte at this point at all.

Hoping for a realistic 2 signings this Jan and a few key outgoings, 1 less would be disappointing but understandable as its Jan, 1 more than 2 would be fantastic for Jan, it will all depend on 'opportunities' and the transfer merry-go-round towards the last few days of the window.

 

[yusrisafri]

Agreed, the media are itching for him to walk out the door.

Weirdly, some in here seem to be rooting for the same outcome Self-fulfilling prophecy and all that.

Im one of those hoping for that outcome, but not because of the so-called self-fulfilling prophecy et al.

If Levy doesnt spend, then Conte walking out of the club will trigger an unprecedented uproar and pandemonium, which might result in drastic changes to the way the club is managed. At least i hope so

 

[Stuart Leathercock]

Im one of those hoping for that outcome, but not because of the so-called self-fulfilling prophecy et al.

If Levy doesnt spend, then Conte walking out of the club will trigger an unprecedented uproar and pandemonium, which might result in drastic changes to the way the club is managed. At least i hope so

In some ways we may be in a win-win situation.... The board back Conte properly - hopefully done via outside investment and/or owner investment from ENIC and not (even) more debt loaded onto the club - Conte stays and the club then have a good chance of being successful in terms of trophies. Alternatively the board don't back Conte, he walks as he isn't one to settle for 'fighting for 4th to 6th' and things then get very smelly for the owners with the inevitable noise making it likely that they will sell up.

 

[ultimateloner]

Great post.

Also, if Abramovich left and they were run properly as a business and a new Spurs owner injected £1.5 Billion for new players and wages over the next decade, I am pretty sure we'd be fairly dominant against them by the end of it.

Chelsea seems like a ruthless club. They can afford to spend aggressively and then ruthleless drop/change things that don't work. Timo Werner, Frank Lampard, even Lukaku etc. I think it's in line with the some of our fan's view of the world (sell/push out the dead wood, acquire the best players) but I personally wouldn't go down that path.

 

[wadewill]

In some ways we may be in a win-win situation.... The board back Conte properly - hopefully done via outside investment and/or owner investment from ENIC and not (even) more debt loaded onto the club - Conte stays and the club then have a good chance of being successful in terms of trophies. Alternatively the board don't back Conte, he walks as he isn't one to settle for 'fighting for 4th to 6th' and things then get very smelly for the owners with the inevitable noise making it likely that they will sell up.

But this is Spurs.... so you know if they did sell Mike fucking Ashley would buy us

(I know he cant, but still)

 

[KaribYid]

Then Conte is being unreasonable and needs to rein it in. Players dont just come because you demand them. If we went in for Vlahovic and did what we can but he opted for Juventus - then you cant blame us for anything really and Conte would be unreasonable to feel let down.

I mean Kessie is another - if we did what we can but he decides not to come until the summer then what else can we do - hold a gun to Kessies head for him to come now?

Its frustrating all this but id rather get the right players in and if that means waiting till the summer then so be it.

You're sorely mistaken if you think Conte's ambition is going to be lowered to the level that Levy has ground our fans' down to.

He's notoriously ambitious and demanding. You don't bring him in if you're unwilling or unable to back him because he's shown time and time again that he has no problems walking out of a club.

 

[the lad]

Then Conte is being unreasonable and needs to rein it in. Players dont just come because you demand them. If we went in for Vlahovic and did what we can but he opted for Juventus - then you cant blame us for anything really and Conte would be unreasonable to feel let down.

I mean Kessie is another - if we did what we can but he decides not to come until the summer then what else can we do - hold a gun to Kessies head for him to come now?

Its frustrating all this but id rather get the right players in and if that means waiting till the summer then so be it.

I am sick of the waiting to the summer bollocks.

Conte walked out the club that won Serie A last season, last season ! I wrote it twice so that you would be in no doubt that this serial winner won’t accept Levys shit.

 

[yusrisafri]

In some ways we may be in a win-win situation.... The board back Conte properly - hopefully done via outside investment and/or owner investment from ENIC and not (even) more debt loaded onto the club - Conte stays and the club then have a good chance of being successful in terms of trophies. Alternatively the board don't back Conte, he walks as he isn't one to settle for 'fighting for 4th to 6th' and things then get very smelly for the owners with the inevitable noise making it likely that they will sell up.

Only if Conte walks though. If he doesnt, then same old Levy moves will happen repeatedly

 

[Dillspur]

We are still Tottenham, we are not a big name and will find it extremely difficult to get the players Conte actually wants.

 

[KingKay]

Im one of those hoping for that outcome, but not because of the so-called self-fulfilling prophecy et al.

If Levy doesnt spend, then Conte walking out of the club will trigger an unprecedented uproar and pandemonium, which might result in drastic changes to the way the club is managed. At least i hope so

So you want Conte to leave resulting in pandemonium and uproar at the club?

 

[KaribYid]

Im one of those hoping for that outcome, but not because of the so-called self-fulfilling prophecy et al.

If Levy doesnt spend, then Conte walking out of the club will trigger an unprecedented uproar and pandemonium, which might result in drastic changes to the way the club is managed. At least i hope so

No.

Bringing in Conte was supposed to be that drastic change.

There will be no single positive outcome if he walks out the club. If you thought the summer manager hunt was a clusterfuck, trying to find a decent manager if Conte leaves due to not being backed will be nearly impossible. It would confirm what outsiders already perceive us as, a club with no ambition, who doesnt back their manager while having fans with high expectations. We'd be looked at as a graveyard for managerial talent.

Hopefully none of that happens mind. But let's not act like if it does that there'll be anything positive to come out of it. It'll be carnage.

 

[yusrisafri]

So you want Conte to leave resulting in pandemonium and uproar at the club?

Yes

 

[KingKay]

So you want Conte to leave resulting in pandemonium and uproar at the club?

Yes

You've been around for a while so you're obviously a genuine fan, but surely you realise how crazy that sounds?

People are fucking weird

 

[JCRD]

You're sorely mistaken if you think Conte's ambition is going to be lowered to the level that Levy has ground our fans' down to.

He's notoriously ambitious and demanding. You don't bring him in if you're unwilling or unable to back him because he's shown time and time again that he has no problems walking out of a club.

I am sick of the waiting to the summer bollocks.

Conte walked out the club that won Serie A last season, last season ! I wrote it twice so that you would be in no doubt that this serial winner won’t accept Levys shit.

Again, im not a Levy apologist and we need to overhaul the squad massively, hell this should have started three years ago. I dont get it though, if we hve gone for say Kessie but he doesnt want to move now and Conte only wants Kessie then what do you do?

If Conte wanted Vlahovic and we went for him and offered him deal that rivalled Juventus' but Vlahovic only wanted Juventus then what do you want us to do?

Someone like De Vrij, if Conte wanted him but he would only move in the summer because he thinks he can add more silverware in his cabinet - what do you want?

Also lets not forget - Conte wanted to assess the squad first he did that in two months or so, so he essentially made up his mind about players before the window opened - thats a very short amount of time to get high profile deals sorted.

Again I want us to overhaul the squad but ive also had enough of bringing in players who dont fit the bill and would rather wait until those very players who do fit the bill are ready to leave and that most likely happens in the summer. Id be much more unforgiving if this is the same situation in the summer.

Levy knows what he is doing by bringing in Conte and knows he need to deliver because his reputation will be tarnished - there is nowhere to go from Conte and Levy knows that im sure.

 

[yusrisafri]

You've been around for a while so you're obviously a genuine fan, but surely you realise how crazy that sounds?

People are fucking weird

LOL....It does sound weird but im looking into the grand scheme of things, if you read my earlier post on the reasons why I hope for this to happen.

Oh well....

 

[sundanceyid10]

I dont know for certain and im remaining optimistic.

We have spent money, the issue is we spent it on shite. Thats not a spending issue but a recruitment issue and thats where Paratici comes in but he has also spent on shite - Emerson, Gil, Gollini. Im not a Levy lover or apologist and he has fucked up particularly in leaving football as the last port of call.

However im just saying that i dont think going around spending 200m on players that are not our first choice in January when our first choice players are available in the summer is sensible.

I agree recruitment is where all our problems have come from, I’m slightly concerned that the guy brought in to stop us pissing money away on shite, has bought seemingly more shite. Hopefully they improve and the mistakes, big mistakes end.

I wan’t to be optimistic about it but there has to be some evidence. Levy is making the appointments, I though he was back along going through a complete overhaul of the recruitment, he makes those appointments, of the people in charge of recruitment, so the buck stops with him. Harsh but true.

 

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