Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte

[Hotspur33]

Of course, he shares the blame, but the majority lies with Levy and ENIC.

Im not sure what Levy has done to prevent Conte doing his job?

 

[Dougal]

I just want to check with the thread dwellers generally that there’s acknowledgment that Conte is not entirely blameless in this?

It’s 100% his fault.

That he took the job.

 

[PeeEyeEmPee]

I mean you would seem to know all about talking bollocks..

I don’t think I’ll hold my breath waiting for the tone-police to call you out for not showing respect.

In the meantime, I guess it’s easier for you to resort to personal attacks when you can’t actually refute what I’m saying. Have at it...

 

[Trix]

This is a really key point that many on here seem to forget when discussing our summer window. If we had permanently shifted the people we had to loan am certain we would have got at least 1, probably 2 top players in

Yes but we couldn't shift them because their contracts are too good/Levy wouldn't take the hit.

 

[Yiddo100]

This is going to happen exactly same as poch-Jose reign.

Conte gone in the evening and poch will be rocking up in the morning

 

[Danfunkel]

It’s 100% his fault.

That he took the job.

Yeah he must be bloody mental.

 

[fish5871]

Why did they hire conte if they were never going to back him?
Unless it’s to look good to the supporters

 

[Noryid]

Conte needs to commit if he wants it so we can sort this mess and Levy needs to back him.

All that still doesn’t excuse Conte from getting better out of the current squad

Spurs needs to assure Conte, then he will commit.
This mess has already been made from the board. It's THEIR job to fix it!

 

[Joely]

Pretty much going the way I expected it go when Conte was hired. Some of his recent comments just felt as though he is beginning to check out. Always thought he'd leave in the summer but would be no great surprise if it was earlier.

Starting to become disillusioned with it all now and must admit was thinking if Conte were to leave tomorrow, I'd say I would be the least interested in who the new manager is ever. Will be the usual cycle and even harder for the new man to compete now with Newcastle on the scene and if Liverpool find buyers, they'll just pull even even further ahead and we'll be left fighting for the Europa/EC scraps with an outside chance of 4th if a couple of other teams cock up and we take advantage of it.

Maybe ENIC thought they'd be able to compete but with the likes City, Newcastle, Chelsea, Utd taking things to another level on a financial standing and no doubt Liverpool to join them soon enough, they are out of their depth and its probably because the appetite just isn't there.

 

[Yiddo100]

Why did they hire conte if they were never going to back him?
Unless it’s to look good to the supporters

Unless the Stadium rights were essential

 

[Albertbarich]

I don’t think I’ll hold my breath waiting for the tone-police to call you out for not showing respect.

In the meantime, I guess it’s easier for you to resort to personal attacks when you can’t actually refute what I’m saying. Have at it...

You have been ranting about him and come at me with another nonsense post about today when as I've said and many others have pointed out it isn't about today.

We all have bad results , city drew at home to the normally awful Everton, should Pep go? So if you want to reduce the debate to a bad run of form then crack on I'll have you on ignore and you can carry on Insulting a manager who won the title at his last three clubs but somehow he isn't good enough to take over at a club that last had Nuno as it's manager.

For the record and I've said this before I think he is finished/ completely done. The players know it and it's showing. But the important thing here is to try and make sure we're not here again in 18 months which from previous history I'm almost certain we will be

 

[Mattyhp]

Only Daniel levy can convince a manager like Conte (after he turned us down) to join, give him 3 decent players in 12 months when we need 8 and then give up on him because he can’t turn water into wine. It’s really boring, either sell the club or start acting like a big one. Of course Conte could change formations but does anyone on here really think any manager (even the mighty Eddie Howe) would get this squad above 4-7th in the table and deal with levy’s transfer policy? Once again Conte’s genuine miracle last year has meant Levy has reverted to type and instead of going for 4-5 first 11 upgrades this summer he bought a bunch of squad rotation options, waiting for the miracle to repeat itself on the cheap. Mental considering ALL our rivals focused on improving their first teams in the summer. We are where we are because no matter who we have as sporting director are recruitment is on the whole way below par. It really is that simple. Consistently sign poor players or in our case go an entire summer without a single signing (no club has ever done this) you end up falling behind.

 

[Dazzazzad]

Why don’t people understand this is more than just about today’s game? I get beating villa at home is something that the team/manager should be doing, but this is about the grand scheme of things and competing with the other top teams. Everton got a result at city, forest held Chelsea, this villa team spanked United a few weeks ago, Liverpool have had quite a few “shock” defeats this season, even arsenal dropped points at Southampton. The nature of football is any team no matter where they are relative to their opponent can beat anyone. The point is these “shock” results aren’t sustainable over the longer period, just like our lack of backing the manager/spending means us competing at the very top isn’t currently sustainable versus the other top teams. Now I’m not saying it’s impossible (see Leicester), and if we’re talking exclusively about today’s game then yeah sure Conte’s excuses are pretty flimsy, but clearly the point Conte is making is about the larger picture. And I’m glad he is because this ownership needs to be exposed and see the fucking light. Whether it’s Conte or someone else, a manager has to be backed and their vision followed to a T. And under this ownership every single manager eventually runs into issues as the unequivocal backing isn’t there. And that must end immediately, whoever is in charge.

Even Pep at city doesn't get "unequivocal backing".

Surely given he's one of the highest paid managers in the world he should be first maximizing the squad he has and then it's up to Levy and FP to get him the players to keep raising the ceiling.

This team is nowhere near being maximized. They are underperforming massively.

The last few months of the season - that was him getting maximum from the team. Granted, injuries aren't helping this season but I'd argue he's living up to his end of the partnership a lot less than Levy is.

 

[the lad]

Only Daniel levy can convince a manager like Conte (after he turned us down) to join, give him 3 decent players in 12 months when we need 8 and then give up on him because he can’t turn water into wine. It’s really boring, either sell the club or start acting like a big one. Of course Conte could change formations but does anyone on here really think any manager (even the mighty Eddie Howe) would get this squad above 4-7th in the table and deal with levy’s transfer policy? Once again Conte’s genuine miracle last year has meant Levy has reverted to type and instead of going for 4-5 first 11 upgrades this summer he bought a bunch of squad rotation options, waiting for the miracle to repeat itself on the cheap. Mental considering ALL our rivals focused on improving their first teams in the summer. We are where we are because no matter who we have as sporting director are recruitment is on the whole way below par. It really is that simple. Consistently sign poor players or in our case go an entire summer without a single signing (no club has ever done this) you end up falling behind.

Brilliant post

 

[St José Dominguez]

I’d like to be taken back to the Jol years where I was finding it enjoyable just thinking we had a shot of CL and feeling like finally we were on a upward trend as a football club. Right now just feels like we’re going absolutely nowhere with no plan at all. We can’t win the league without spending huge money, it’s just not gonna happen for a club who have never won it before. Leicester was a complete random occurrence. We had those 2 Poch seasons but as well as there being so much more competition and rich clubs now we also at that time stumbled into having the best starting 11 I’ve seen us have in my lifetime. It would take a miracle to have that level of player in each position without spending hundreds of millions now. We are in a position now with expectations so high where managers can’t risk bedding in youth prospects. It all feels broken and unless there is a collective patience whereas we’re going to accept a project and an acceptance that these owners just ain’t ever gonna spend big we’re doomed to be repeating this bullshit for a long, long time.

 

[SpursSince1980]

I've been supremely patient with ENIC and Levy for 20 years, but I've finally had it.

Conte is right.

Our squad is disjointed and not up to it, and many of our fans have false expectations because we had a good run in one competition last season playing one game a week with no injuries.

We got left behind in the summer, and failed to prepare a squad able to handle the demands of this season. 3 windows under Conte and we FAILED to sign a starting RWB, decent ball playing CBs, and a passing midfielder.

Most of our very best XI wouldn't get in any other Top 6 team. Throw in any injuries and we're terrible.

I tell you now Levy's people will be monitoring social media tonight and rubbing their hands - knowing they've got away with it again.

The fans love the soap opera, and will blame the manager. Poch, Mourinho, whoever that other Jorge Mendes cast off was, and now Conte.

Who next? Which paragon of virtue is going to turn Dier, Sanchez, Davies, Doherty, Emerson, Sessegnon, Hojbjerg, and Moura into the world beaters they've never been before?

We're allowing Levy to follow his modus operandi which is to meddle and hang onto players so long that our squad becomes bloated so we can't rebuild, the team fails, replace the manger again, rinse and repeat.

"Winks was worth £40min 2016! Let's send him on loan again! Oh we can't buy a CM we've got too many on loan!" Same rubbish with Wanyama. Same with Sanchez. On and on.

We sold a £50m Right Back and replaced him with several £20m right backs, one we paid to leave for nothing. We've now spent £65m on Right Backs over 5 years and only made the position weaker. Ridiculous. We'll now pass on Porro because we can't shift Emerson. You watch.

What Levy has done to this team since the peak Poch team with his meddling is criminal.

He's a paper billionaire with most of his net worth tied up in the clubs shares, and acts accordingly. The moment we get anywhere he'll take it as a cue to meddle and put his foot on the brakes, rather than cut losses on dead wood so we can push forwards.

The opportunity cost now to the club in missing out on a generation of new fans, and all the exposure and commercial revenue that comes with it is astronomical.

He built us a nice space ship Westfield, but he isn't competent at the job that needs doing now. If Levy worked for Levy he'd have sacked him long ago.

You can change the manager 100 times, it won't matter. We'll never get anywhere with him in charge.

Conte will go and win trophies with a serious football club, and we'll be a mid table investment vehicle.

This cannot be denied any longer. He is the common denominator. ENIC’s time in charge has been unbelievable in terms of operational success. They have built a self sustaining revenue model that elevates us into the elite in terms of spending prowess. But during the ownership we have won one trophy in 20+ years. Time to fuck off. Thanks for the ATM, but now is the time for footballing ambition not money hoarding.

 

[Mattspur]

A quote from Conte today:

"I always say the truth in my life. I don't want to create illusion. The club knows very well what I think and the club is 100 percent, they think the same."

Just to clear up any confusion about whether Conte and the Club are on the same page. Sounds like Conte, Paratici and Levy are all in agreement with how the club should move forward and there are no issues between them. Straight from the horse's mouth.

 

[G Ron]

Bring in Poch and Maddison. Contes football is rubbish. Levy won’t back him so fuck it. Let’s at least try and enjoy some football matches.

Clearly everyone has forgotten January - November in Poch’s last season. The football was even worse than it is now. We were atrocious and the CL run papered over the cracks.

 

[ComfortablyNumb]

It wasn't woeful but it certainly wasn't the window on steroids that was imperative for Conte to be a success.

With that kind of window, though, why would we need Conte? buy a prem winning squad and I could be a winner as its coach.
What exactly is Conte supposed to be good at, for fuck's sake?

 

[ComfortablyNumb]

A quote from Conte today:

"I always say the truth in my life. I don't want to create illusion. The club knows very well what I think and the club is 100 percent, they think the same."

Just to clear up any confusion about whether Conte and the Club are on the same page. Sounds like Conte, Paratici and Levy are all in agreement with how the club should move forward and there are no issues between them. Straight from the horse's mouth.

Herc, a couple of days ago, told us not to believe everything Conte says. Just saying...