Falque

[Snarfalicious]

I agree with most of this but how many managers drop expensive new 'stars' for much lesser cheaper options.

I just cannot see Falque getting a start in any type of playmaking role, however justified it may be by injuries or the inabilities of those bigger names currently starting

I really don't believe he will get the start if I'm being completely honest. I was just trying to point out why I wish he would. I think he could do well if given the opportunity, but the more likely scenario is he is given a chance to shine in that role in the Europa league and if he does well, then maybe a lesser club in the PL. It would probably be a process and not just something that happens immediately, although at this point I kind of wish it would. Dempsey's just been so fucking awful. I thought Siggy looked like he might be taking that spot over with the way he looked at times, but then he disappeared for about 30 minutes straight against Norwich's lessers.

 

[Sauniere]

On a positive note, we're sitting 4th at the moment and that's with us only playing well for half of each match, with Dempsey and Sig misfiring, with the wrong (ish) man up front and still with a few out injured. I think we're doing well all things considered and with a few more things clicking into place we could do very well. In circumstances where we're having to throw squad members in to compete in all competitions, it's refreshing to see one or two of them shine. Even if it is only in the interim

 

[dk-yid]

That's Juve's fault - they messed up his development in what is apparently a typical Italian way. There's a great article somewhere about the whole malaise with Falque's case as the main example.

I thought he offered significantly improved ball retention, which was great to see.

Is this the article you mean?
http://juventus.theoffside.com/team...ase-study-of-serie-as-failure-with-youth.html

It also describes him as more of a 4-2-3-1 winger and a trequartista type player so it would be interesting to see him play the no. 10 for us. But imo it won't do him any justice as long as Defoe is in front of him. Even VdV looked poor when he was beind Defoe.

 

[parklane1]

It is very early days and i am not going to get carried away, but from what i have seen of him he looks more promising then Carroll.

 

[CAPO]

get him on corners asap

 

[CJMurray]

get him on corners asap

Did you not see his 3 corners dribble into the box only to get cleared by the first man?

 

[Nocando]

Is this the article you mean?
http://juventus.theoffside.com/team...ase-study-of-serie-as-failure-with-youth.html

It also describes him as more of a 4-2-3-1 winger and a trequartista type player so it would be interesting to see him play the no. 10 for us. But imo it won't do him any justice as long as Defoe is in front of him. Even VdV looked poor when he was beind Defoe.

I think I'm mostly on my own here but I just don't agree. VDV and Defoe (to my knowledge) only played 3 games as the striker/AM (we never lost btw) and you have to factor in Redknap's preference of 4-4-2 and a reliance on balls crossed in by wingers. However AVB is playing a different system, a European system, that favours ball playing and movement (i.e Barca). You don't need a player to hold up the ball in these situations, you just need movement and the confidence to not hoof the ball at the first sign of worry.

Sig and Dempsey are not the sort of players that, in my mind, would get the best out of this system. To do that you need a Mata, or a Eriksen or Hamsik, even an Aimar or D'Assandro (back in the day). A creative player that enjoys the ball at their feet, but who have the ability to create and score (which is why Modric was never suited to this role). If Redknapp was AVB and if VDV was in AVB's side behind Defoe (with Dembele behind VDV), I am certain we'd be a much much better side, with both thriving. Likewise if we were to drop Mata into Sigs role I, again, am certain we'd see a massive difference/improvement. But I do concede that Ade would be a better fit with this type of player behind him, but i don't think it's as clear cut as many make out.

However we don't have this luxury, so I think, at present, the best option is to either get Ade in the hole (not 100% sure this would work but imo would be better) or revert to a 4-4-2 as the system is better suited to the players we currently have (repeating what someone said on a thread here). I think it's certainly worth a try or two. As for Falque, I'm not sure the time is right (Id be more cautious playinig him on the wing or loaning him out) but in theory he may do okay in this role. If we were to try it, we'd need to try it in Europe I think.

 

[Krafty]

I hope Falque doesn't fall into the gap that players like him sometimes do at bigger (relatively) clubs. He's got skills, but he still needs to develop. Impressing against Norwich's second string team (they made ten changes) is nice and a hopeful sign, and he might be one of these players that needs to have the belief that he can take hold of a game and dictate, not merely pass it on to the bigger names, but there is still a little way before he makes the matchday 18 with everyone fit.

Will he get enough game time with us? Should he go out on loan? Would that not just present the same issue with game time? I don't know. Plenty of players can do it in training, maybe games like Wigan and Maribor should be where we give someone like him a chance (but not with a completely changed team around him)

 

[ultimateloner]

Until he comes on as an 80 min sub in a PL game and look like he means business i wont get my hopes high. There are way too many false dawns already and it's not enough to just be young and have a sexy name. We need goals, penetration, assists.

 

[double0]

It does seem more difficult for players of the types such as Dos Santos, Falque, Carroll to make it into the team...Livermore Caulker bigger probabley better athletes tend to progress, poor really in England we still don't trust technique and skill.

Note: Caulker is real quality mind you.

 

[CosmicHotspur]

I really think Falque is going to develop into a very classy footballer. I hope he gets a decent chance to prove it with us.

 

[Spursidol]

It is very early days and i am not going to get carried away, but from what i have seen of him he looks more promising then Carroll.

Falque is almost exactly 2 years older than Carroll.

At 22 Falque should be looking to get a regular first team squad place, whether in the Premier League, Spanish or Italian Leagues - the earlier article says Juventos screwed up his development which is why he is where he is.

Carroll at just 20 should either be getting experience in a lower league side (which he was last season0 or getting a few appearances in Spurs colours (which few of the youngsters have this season). Providing that his development is not screwed up he should look as good or better than Falque is at 22 in 2 years time

 

[Wirral Spurs]

Too lightweight and not influential enough.
Sig, Dempsey, Falque and Carroll are all mid table (at best) quality in my opinion.

 

[Spursidol]

I hope Falque doesn't fall into the gap that players like him sometimes do at bigger (relatively) clubs. He's got skills, but he still needs to develop. Impressing against Norwich's second string team (they made ten changes) is nice and a hopeful sign, and he might be one of these players that needs to have the belief that he can take hold of a game and dictate, not merely pass it on to the bigger names, but there is still a little way before he makes the matchday 18 with everyone fit.

Will he get enough game time with us? Should he go out on loan? Would that not just present the same issue with game time? I don't know. Plenty of players can do it in training, maybe games like Wigan and Maribor should be where we give someone like him a chance (but not with a completely changed team around him)

Agreed - but think he is unlikely to benefit from going on loan as few of the lower league sides play in a way that could accomodate his skills (generally they would prefer a conventiuonal speedy winger rather than an inverted one like Falque). Maybe a lower Prem side, but similar reasons might apply, plus not sure his progress to date will be that attractive to a lower prem side (any more than Southampton last season).

 

[Spursidol]

Too lightweight and not influential enough.
Sig, Dempsey, Falque and Carroll are all mid table (at best) quality in my opinion.

Maybe but we need squad players as well - we cannot have only super stars in the side.

 

[SamR]

I haven't really seen the lad play to cast any kind of judgement - but I do get excited at the thought of a player coming through the ranks - even more so than new signings that walk straight in.
I don't see the harm with throwing him in against lower prem quality opposition. We are strong enough to beat most teams and the young boys can do a job.

In respect of Falque being 22, yes it's older than the likes of Rooney and Wilshere who broke through as kids, but people develop in such different ways. Players mature, athlletes peak in their early 30s. Maybe we as a country are too quick to write people off who aren't showing premiership class at 17 years old. As an example, I actually think walcott will turn out good and believe lennon will have his best ever season for us and fulfill the expectations we had of him as a teenager.

 

[mill]

It's not really a risk to start him as the no10 as Sigs and Dempsey are playing poorly in that position so even if he struggles to get in the game it shouldn't make too much of difference at the moment. Though it's probably better for him to come off the bench today, given at least 20 mins to see if he can get involved.

 

[Wirral Spurs]

Maybe but we need squad players as well - we cannot have only super stars in the side.

Agree we need squad players, would love us to have only super stars!
Creative quality is required.

 

[parklane1]

Falque is almost exactly 2 years older than Carroll.

At 22 Falque should be looking to get a regular first team squad place, whether in the Premier League, Spanish or Italian Leagues - the earlier article says Juventos screwed up his development which is why he is where he is.

Carroll at just 20 should either be getting experience in a lower league side (which he was last season0 or getting a few appearances in Spurs colours (which few of the youngsters have this season). Providing that his development is not screwed up he should look as good or better than Falque is at 22 in 2 years time

Do not disagree, however i did say from what i have seen and i have been more impressed with Falque.

 

[southlondonyiddo]

I really think Falque is going to develop into a very classy footballer. I hope he gets a decent chance to prove it with us.

I hope your right but I think we paid very little for him hoping we would sell him on for a profit. Don't think he's anywhere good enough for the Premier League

What would we have done had AVB managed to get rid of Thudd & Daws!!