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[Havre]

You get the impression that Arteta lives and breathes coaching and under Pep he at least observed a lot of factors regarding managing players and the squad. He also knew exactly what he needed to do about squad attitude.

Whereas Lampard seems to have got a bit 'Billy big bollocks' and thought management is as easy as getting players to press hard whilst spending a fair but too. I don't recall anything he did at Derby being particularly impressive? Yet there he was being bigged up and fast tracked.

As a coach I think you have to do the hard yards. Spend some time either as an assistant coach or spend a few years at a club lower down. There are so so many aspects you need to be good at or at least have good ppl around you.

Although, it may just be the case that Lampard isn't cut out for it.

I kind of get the same impression, but I am also desperately aware how little I would know about it based on press conferences etc.

I do believe it is fair to say he didn't become as good as he did based on thinking it was easy.

 

[SpartanSpur]

You get the impression that Arteta lives and breathes coaching and under Pep he at least observed a lot of factors regarding managing players and the squad. He also knew exactly what he needed to do about squad attitude.

Whereas Lampard seems to have got a bit 'Billy big bollocks' and thought management is as easy as getting players to press hard whilst spending a fair but too. I don't recall anything he did at Derby being particularly impressive? Yet there he was being bigged up and fast tracked.

As a coach I think you have to do the hard yards. Spend some time either as an assistant coach or spend a few years at a club lower down. There are so so many aspects you need to be good at or at least have good ppl around you.

Although, it may just be the case that Lampard isn't cut out for it.

I think one of the big positives from last night is that Lampard comes across as very naive. A lot of people had them as a lock for 3rd after their spending but I'm far from convinced by him. In big games last season he was able to fall back on the Conte/Jose low block with Willian, Pedro and Pulisic who are all deadly in that situation. Two have left and the other one is injured. A team's ability to defend like this also erodes over time as they get more used to the new manager's style.

The way he spoke about long balls last night as if we were breaking an unspoken rule was a real red flag. It was a genuine tactical switch well executed and was good football to watch. These weren't aimless long balls they were sharp passes up to Bergwijn and Lamela through the press which were well backed up. We also started using the wing backs much more effectively.

In the meantime their defence has gone backwards. Whenever Kante is out their midfield looks flimsy. Their plan A seems very open and some teams will catch them out like WBA did. Pretty much every team in the PL has players that can hurt teams on the counter. He got off lightly last season as he had no pressure due to the transfer ban and his rivals were all in a mess.

I agree that Arteta seems a promising coach unfortunately. I think the press suck up to him a bit too much but that's probably because he is passionate and it comes across. Ole has experience but in my opinion is a solid but not top drawer manager. He does have his hands tied a bit by the lack of clear footballing strategy at his club however.

Overall despite the early dropped points I'm feeling a lot better about our prospects this season after our signings and recent performances. If there are no early managerial changes in the top 6 I fancy us to have a real shot at CL qualification and our squad depth should allow us to go deep in cup comps.

 

[Wadec]

The only real question is who gets sacked first Frank, ole or Arteta.

I like it when top clubs think they should just appoint an ex player and expect it to work. Their defence is a mess and that goes for all three of the managers.

I know this is premature and I will add if we buy a striker, we will finish above Chelsea, man u and arsenal no problems.

I don't think Arteta will be in the discussion at all. Much lower expectations. As a betting man, Lampard is the favourite to go first.

Spent big money and the team look lost, no plan or cohesion at all. OGS is also clueless but feel he will be given longer as United are not as trigger happy as Chelsea.

With managers like Poch & Allegri free it is only a matter of time before both Frank and Ole are binned though, probably both by end of January.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

Agree with others re: Arteta - he looks very credible IMO

 

[brendanb50]

Interesting season for Lampard. Arguably the biggest test of his career to date has been Derby - where there was pressure to perform and did quite well (play-off final). He had a few advantages there though, in the main his connection with Chelsea and the players he was able to take on loan.

Last season was easy for him and arguably his squad. Pressure was completely off with the transfer ban and as a result, they performed well. This year, with the money spent, the weight of expectation grows significantly.

For what it's worth, i think so far, he's shown himself to be fairly capable, even during a limited and slightly mixed managerial tenure. I dislike him generally due to the Chelsea connection but he was clearly a driven pro and key member of a successful team. He's undoubtedly bringing that focus and determination to his management but he'll know, along with everyone else watching that this is a big season for him and Chelsea. They need to perform - no free passes now.

 

[absolute bobbins]

Who was it who called him Tim Sherwood with A Levels, rude

That's brilliant ?

 

[spursfan77]

Agree with others re: Arteta - he looks very credible IMO

Jury is still massively out for me. I’m not aboard the media hype train that’s for sure.

 

[philll]

Jury is still massively out for me. I’m not aboard the media hype train that’s for sure.

How about the "look at what he's achieved since taking over" train then? I don't think beating Liverpool after they'd won the title (or in the pre-season friendly that is the Community Shield) are anything to get excited about but he clearly knows what he's doing. Sure there are still issues within the squad but you don't win an FA Cup accidentally. I don't expect them to challenge for the title or anything but they'll be in and around the top 4 for sure.

Lampard, on the other hand, I think he's well out of his depth. He did ok last season with no pressure and because of the transfer ban he played the kids. He was all about promoting the youth as part of his philosophy but now he's been given a massive transfer budget that seems to be in the bin. Suddenly there are expectations and there are frays showing all over the place. It's funny that he spent over £200m on shiny new toys and it was 3 academy lads who all scored to dig them out of a hole against West Brom.

 

[spursfan77]

How about the "look at what he's achieved since taking over" train then? I don't think beating Liverpool after they'd won the title (or in the pre-season friendly that is the Community Shield) are anything to get excited about but he clearly knows what he's doing. Sure there are still issues within the squad but you don't win an FA Cup accidentally. I don't expect them to challenge for the title or anything but they'll be in and around the top 4 for sure.

Lampard, on the other hand, I think he's well out of his depth. He did ok last season with no pressure and because of the transfer ban he played the kids. He was all about promoting the youth as part of his philosophy but now he's been given a massive transfer budget that seems to be in the bin. Suddenly there are expectations and there are frays showing all over the place. It's funny that he spent over £200m on shiny new toys and it was 3 academy lads who all scored to dig them out of a hole against West Brom.

I am a lot more confident of finishing above arsenal than I am of finishing above chelsea.

 

[daveduvet]

I like him - seems genuine and down-to-earth. Was also a brilliant player.

He's made Chelsea slightly less revolting, which is an impressive feat.

G’night John-boy

 

[Spurzinho]

Stop it.

And I'm no fan of the Tories. Just that this sort of post has no business being in this section of the website.

From what I can tell its a general thread about the unlikability (and/or weight) or Frank Lampard. I happen to dislike his politics. I happen to think less of him as person. Kindly explain to me how his weight is a more legitimate avenue for criticism than his attitude to the treatment of other human beings?

 

[BringBack_leGin]

From what I can tell its a general thread about the unlikability (and/or weight) or Frank Lampard. I happen to dislike his politics. I happen to think less of him as person. Kindly explain to me how his weight is a more legitimate avenue for criticism than his attitude to the treatment of other human beings?

Come on mate, you know the difference between flippantly jibing at the weight of someone who is clearly not overweight in the slightest, probably only doing so because the alliterative nickname, and throwing in an insult to people of a certain political inclination which undoubtedly means you’re also insulting a decent sized proportion of this thread.

 

[southlondonyiddo]

Stop it.

And I'm no fan of the Tories. Just that this sort of post has no business being in this section of the website.

Completely appropriate to bring this up. Probably goes canvassing with Rsol

 

[beats1]

Interesting season for Lampard. Arguably the biggest test of his career to date has been Derby - where there was pressure to perform and did quite well (play-off final). He had a few advantages there though, in the main his connection with Chelsea and the players he was able to take on loan.

Last season was easy for him and arguably his squad. Pressure was completely off with the transfer ban and as a result, they performed well. This year, with the money spent, the weight of expectation grows significantly.

For what it's worth, i think so far, he's shown himself to be fairly capable, even during a limited and slightly mixed managerial tenure. I dislike him generally due to the Chelsea connection but he was clearly a driven pro and key member of a successful team. He's undoubtedly bringing that focus and determination to his management but he'll know, along with everyone else watching that this is a big season for him and Chelsea. They need to perform - no free passes now.

He did well to get play off final but he didn't deserve to be there. Bristol City outplayed derby but derby scrapped through and then Leeds outplayed derby for 135 mins and in the final, lack of striker cost derby big

 

[southlondonyiddo]

Come on mate, you know the difference between flippantly jibing at the weight of someone who is clearly not overweight in the slightest, probably only doing so because the alliterative nickname, and throwing in an insult to people of a certain political inclination which undoubtedly means you’re also insulting a decent sized proportion of this thread.

Overweight and a Tory

Can it get any worse?

 

[daveduvet]

Overweight and a Tory

Can it get any worse?

Says the person from south of the river