Fullbacks

['O Zio]

I felt the partnership of Rose and Walker in their prime worked very well. They worked tirelessly and we had two top quality centre backs at the top of their game to allow them free reign to go forward.

We've never been the same since Walker's final season. Him and Rose at the top of their game absolutely terrified opposition teams. Pinned them back and stretched the play so there was more space for the likes of Eriksen, Kane and Alli in the middle. Ever since Walker left and Rose fell into decline we've been really poor at breaking teams down and that's a massive contributing factor IMO. Trippier and Davies were both OK FBs but they just didn't have the pace and energy to stretch teams like Rose/Walker did. I really hope Sess can develop and become like Rose 2.0 but who knows

 

[Windwarden]

Davies getting a new contract says everything about the judgement at the top of our club. As a person he’s Actually my favourite player at the club but he’s such a desperately average footballer. Being good at football is so old fashioned, our highly sophisticated algorithms analyse players value based on ‘keeps his head down, doesn’t complain’ or ‘big lad’.

 

[Larryfromthelane]

There's only so much turd polishing Poch can do. Davies arrived the same summer Poch arrived. He was young and we took a punt but in in his 6th season now and the guys progression has been so limited. Don't know who scouted Aurier but again the guy is just poor and not even suited to the way Poch wants us to play. At some point, you have to hold your hands up and say these players are not up to it/moves haven't worked and move on.

As an example, Klopp couldn't do nothing with Moreno and got rid of him. Why we persist with the same players who are clearly not up to it, season after season, I just don't get.

These excuses were fine with the likes of Kaboul and Bentaleb. Poch has signed Davies and Aurier, he has had time to coach them, the responsibility lies with him

 

[Joely]

These excuses were fine with the likes of Kaboul and Bentaleb. Poch has signed Davies and Aurier, he has had time to coach them, the responsibility lies with him

Just like Klopp signed Karius but it didn't work out so they moved on? Or going further back like when Fergie signed the likes of Kleberson and Taibi, didn't work out so they moved on? Transfers don't always work out, that's just the way it is unfortunately. When you realise it has not worked out, have to look to move on.

With certain players, no amount of training/coaching is going to bring them to the level required. Davies was not the finished article when we signed him, hope was he would push on but he hasn't. He simply has a ceiling and no amount of coaching from Poch is going to change that.

 

[Larryfromthelane]

Just like Klopp signed Karius but it didn't work out so they moved on? Or going further back like when Fergie signed the likes of Kleberson and Taibi, didn't work out so they moved on? Transfers don't always work out, that's just the way it is unfortunately. When you realise it has not worked out, have to look to move on.

With certain players, no amount of training/coaching is going to bring them to the level required. Davies was not the finished article when we signed him, hope was he would push on but he hasn't. He simply has a ceiling and no amount of coaching from Poch is going to change that.

Just like Fergie was responsible for his squad and Klopp is responsible for his. You have to wonder why we dont have a decent fullback at the club, there is one man whose responsibility that is - Pochettino

 

[Nick-TopSpursMan]

Rose is finished. The way he plays meant he always picked up knocks and its caught up with him imo. He's lost pace and just seems so sluggish these days.

Aurier is not good enough. Way too rash defensively and going forward he is brainless too often. Gets the ball in an advanced area and instead of carrying it just tries to cross even if it inevitably gets blocked because he hasn't created space.

Davies is pure and utter shit. Slower than a snail, refuses to do anything progressive with the ball and his first thought is always to go backwards. Offers nothing in attack and even though I always hear he is 'solid', he consistently gets torn a new one by decent players and costs us goals with shite narrow positioning like Saturday. He is a midtable to lower Prem player.


We need quick and athletic fullbacks, who have recovery pace and can bomb up and down the flank. We need players who are not afraid to take defenders on and get to the byline to cross the ball. We need fulbacks who want to be progressive and dominant on the ball.

 

[Joely]

Just like Fergie was responsible for his squad and Klopp is responsible for his. You have to wonder why we dont have a decent fullback at the club, there is one man whose responsibility that is - Pochettino

Agree Poch isn't blameless.......but not convinced the blame lies entirely at his door.

 

[Windwarden]

Klopp and Liverpool’s recruitment has been so frustratingly adroit, compared to our chucking darts in the player wheel approach. The same at Dortmund (I’m not suggesting this is all Klopp and he did have that bloke working with him who was described as the brains) Theyve signed players based on intelligent analysis, where there’s always large percentage of risk but the risk is minimised is you bring in people with physical technical and mental characteristics that thrive in the league in which you’re playing. Matip, van Dijk, Mane, Fabinho and Keita all fall under this; it will be interesting to see how keita plays out but i think our fans sounded really desperate when mocking the latter two before they’d had any chance to get used to te league. Fabinho was the standout defensive mid in France and you only have to watch him to see he has a lot of enviable qualities. That’s all scouting can do, you have to trust that most of the time the skill set plays out in the long run. There’s always a big chance things go wrong but when players are signed without a similar process its Almost all left to chance.

We seem to apply our systems of analysis really badly, often ruling out players on some weird technical pretext when there’s every reason for them being a huge success. The mix of common sense, and objective analysis seems all over the shop and conflicting with us. Reminds me of not signing Suarez because he’s ‘too much like van der vaart’ (different time but I’ve read similar things about other missed signings).

i Wanted van Dijk so much ever since I saw him playing for Celtic. Everyone kept coming out with how crap te Scottish league is, ten at Southampton he was head and shoulders above every defender in te league statistically, and you could see watching him play how phenomenal he is, and still everyone was banging on about Alderweireld being streets above and acting like he was some clumsy donkey. Before going to Liverpool or slightly earlier it was all about Alderweireld and bewildering how few people mentioned him despite him being so dominant in so many areas.