Loan Watch Joe Rodon -Leeds United

[SpursSince1980]

Sanchez has proven to be a great player??? Have a word with yourself...he has got progressively worse since he's been with us. He should be one of the first names to be moved on in the summer...his calamitous defending is painful to watch....

He has had a poor season. No doubt. And last year was erratic.
You can see he has a lot of potential, but maybe it's a confidence thing, or maybe he really is just erratic. Maybe one days he will reduce his mistakes. Hard to say.
It's odd that he had a year working with Ledley, and seemed to get worse. Not a sleight on Ledley. It's more of an example that even under the tutelage of a very good defender, such as the King... he still couldn't avoid having fits of mistakes.
There are areas in his game, which I feel can be worked on and improved. He can improve his reading of a game. That will come with experience. He also gets sucked into ball watching, which can impact focus and reaction. Lastly, for two or three years now, I see how making the same error every single game... his inability to clear the 18 yard box any further than 15 yards out. And nearly always back to the opposition team. And in turn, that keeps the defense under immense pressure.
Will he improve with Spurs? I'm not sure at this stage.
I do think he is still has a strong reputation across Europe. Therefore, he's potential bargaining chip, if we want to go after a player like Andersen from Lyon. That could basically be a straight swap. Tranfrmrkt values Dav at 35M euros. Andersen they value at 15M euros.

 

[rossdapep]

Been treated so unfairly with his time here, even being told by the coach when he does play to row z it and be no nonsense is laughable when the boy can actually play, understand though Mason has gone with the safest partnership for now he knows Toby makes anyone he plays next to better and I think Ryan also has a personal friendship with Dier as he knows he will fight for the badge so it’s a sensible option as he knows upsetting Joe is less of a worry than upsetting Dier or winks behind the scenes.

Hopefully, he gets a loan move to Norwich or Brighton in the summer and shows us that we already have a very good Centre back at the club.

A new coach may rate him more than Dier, besides he'll get a chance at some point.

 

[DannyNZ]

He has had a poor season. No doubt. And last year was erratic.
You can see he has a lot of potential, but maybe it's a confidence thing, or maybe he really is just erratic. Maybe one days he will reduce his mistakes. Hard to say.
It's odd that he had a year working with Ledley, and seemed to get worse. Not a sleight on Ledley. It's more of an example that even under the tutelage of a very good defender, such as the King... he still couldn't avoid having fits of mistakes.
There are areas in his game, which I feel can be worked on and improved. He can improve his reading of a game. That will come with experience. He also gets sucked into ball watching, which can impact focus and reaction. Lastly, for two or three years now, I see how making the same error every single game... his inability to clear the 18 yard box any further than 15 yards out. And nearly always back to the opposition team. And in turn, that keeps the defense under immense pressure.
Will he improve with Spurs? I'm not sure at this stage.
I do think he is still has a strong reputation across Europe. Therefore, he's potential bargaining chip, if we want to go after a player like Andersen from Lyon. That could basically be a straight swap. Tranfrmrkt values Dav at 35M euros. Andersen they value at 15M euros.

For me the decision around Sanchez is all about how we want to play going forward. If we want our CB‘s to be comfortable in possession and be able to pass through presses then he just doesn’t fit the bill and needs to be upgraded For someone who does. If we’re just after a stopper then he is passable but not much more.

 

[rio bryan]

He has had a poor season. No doubt. And last year was erratic.
You can see he has a lot of potential, but maybe it's a confidence thing, or maybe he really is just erratic. Maybe one days he will reduce his mistakes. Hard to say.
It's odd that he had a year working with Ledley, and seemed to get worse. Not a sleight on Ledley. It's more of an example that even under the tutelage of a very good defender, such as the King... he still couldn't avoid having fits of mistakes.
There are areas in his game, which I feel can be worked on and improved. He can improve his reading of a game. That will come with experience. He also gets sucked into ball watching, which can impact focus and reaction. Lastly, for two or three years now, I see how making the same error every single game... his inability to clear the 18 yard box any further than 15 yards out. And nearly always back to the opposition team. And in turn, that keeps the defense under immense pressure.
Will he improve with Spurs? I'm not sure at this stage.
I do think he is still has a strong reputation across Europe. Therefore, he's potential bargaining chip, if we want to go after a player like Andersen from Lyon. That could basically be a straight swap. Tranfrmrkt values Dav at 35M euros. Andersen they value at 15M euros.

What do you see to say he has a lot of potential ?

 

[chrisd2k]

For me the decision around Sanchez is all about how we want to play going forward. If we want our CB‘s to be comfortable in possession and be able to pass through presses then he just doesn’t fit the bill and needs to be upgraded For someone who does. If we’re just after a stopper then he is passable but not much more.

Regardless of how we play Sanchez has proven to be a dud. Time for a transfer

 

[SpursSince1980]

What do you see to say he has a lot of potential ?

Are you asking out of open minded curiosity? Or, to hotly defend a calcified belief, and are seeking an opportunity to debate and validate a confirmation bias, that he isn’t a good player?

If the former, I’m happy to share. If the latter, then there is no point to waste my time or yours.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Same category as Aurier IMO - tonnes of athletic ability but consistently makes poor decisions usually around his positioning. Id have thought coaching would help.

Bit of an extreme opinion on Rodon based on the handful of premier league minutes he’s had so far.

 

[onthetwo]

Bit of an extreme opinion on Rodon based on the handful of premier league minutes he’s had so far.

sorry - should have known this would lead to confusion. I was talking Sanchez, not Rodon.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

sorry - should have known this would lead to confusion. I was talking Sanchez, not Rodon.

I knew what you meant, was just being a tit ?

 

[onthetwo]

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I knew what you meant, was just being a tit ?

Keep it coming BBLG - and to quote Steve Hughes, even if i was offended, nothing actually happens!

 

[rio bryan]

Are you asking out of open minded curiosity? Or, to hotly defend a calcified belief, and are seeking an opportunity to debate and validate a confirmation bias, that he isn’t a good player?

If the former, I’m happy to share. If the latter, then there is no point to waste my time or yours.

The time it took to write that post you could have answered my question but i suspect you don't know the answer !

 

[SpursSince1980]

The time it took to write that post you could have answered my question but i suspect you don't know the answer !

Yes, you’re right I don’t know the answer, that would in any way, shape or form shift your perspective. Hence, why try? But if it makes you feel validated in your belief, that this player has no redeemable qualities, and you want to debate anyone who dares challenge this belief, then, you win. You’re right. I wrote my earlier response because I couldn’t think of one single thing the player has ever done that would make you reconsider how you feel. So, yep... you got me. I was simply stalling because in my heart I knew you were right, but didn’t want to admit it otherwise I would lose face. You win. I lose. Dav is everything you say he is and im a pillock for having the gall to think otherwise.

Mea culpa. Hugs and kisses.

Peace, my brother.

?

 

[TheHodFather]

The time it took to write that post you could have answered my question but i suspect you don't know the answer !

I've seen quite a few posters say Sanchez has a lot of potential and I'd be interested to know what it is they see in him that I'm not seeing. My view on Sanchez would be:

1) He's pretty quick.
2) He's a reasonably big guy but not massive, and despite being reasonably big he seems to get bullied physically fairly often.
3) His heading is pretty poor - both in terms of misjudging the flight of the ball, and also the accuracy of them when he does get his head on it.
4) His ability on the ball is poor. Not pretty poor, just plain poor. Some of the basic technical stuff that you need to master as a kid just doesn't seem to be there.
5) His tackling is OK.
6) I've not seen anything to suggest any great leadership qualities.

On the face of it there's not much there to work with. So what am I missing?

 

[southlondonyiddo]

I've seen quite a few posters say Sanchez has a lot of potential and I'd be interested to know what it is they see in him that I'm not seeing. My view on Sanchez would be:

1) He's pretty quick.
2) He's a reasonably big guy but not massive, and despite being reasonably big he seems to get bullied physically fairly often.
3) His heading is pretty poor - both in terms of misjudging the flight of the ball, and also the accuracy of them when he does get his head on it.
4) His ability on the ball is poor. Not pretty poor, just plain poor. Some of the basic technical stuff that you need to master as a kid just doesn't seem to be there.
5) His tackling is OK.
6) I've not seen anything to suggest any great leadership qualities.

On the face of it there's not much there to work with. So what am I missing?

He was great the season he joined us. Hardly put a foot wrong and what with his age we thought we’d brought in a fantastic signing

Has regressed like one or 2 others we can mention!!

 

[danielneeds]

He was great the season he joined us. Hardly put a foot wrong and what with his age we thought we’d brought in a fantastic signing

Has regressed like one or 2 others we can mention!!

Mostly he was just asked to use his pace on the cover with Jan and Toby marshalling the defence either side. He’s just not evolved into someone who makes good decisions. I hope we can cut our losses this summer and someone offers over £20m.

 

[simsy886]

Did make me laugh a tad:



Apologies, posted in the wrong thread. Too many beers

 

[sausage]

Did make me laugh a tad:

I posted this in the Hojberg one earlier. I don't think Rodon is part of it, though.

 

[ralphs bald spot]

I've seen quite a few posters say Sanchez has a lot of potential and I'd be interested to know what it is they see in him that I'm not seeing. My view on Sanchez would be:

1) He's pretty quick.
2) He's a reasonably big guy but not massive, and despite being reasonably big he seems to get bullied physically fairly often.
3) His heading is pretty poor - both in terms of misjudging the flight of the ball, and also the accuracy of them when he does get his head on it.
4) His ability on the ball is poor. Not pretty poor, just plain poor. Some of the basic technical stuff that you need to master as a kid just doesn't seem to be there.
5) His tackling is OK.
6) I've not seen anything to suggest any great leadership qualities.

On the face of it there's not much there to work with. So what am I missing?

I think Sanchez he has some qualities which you have nailed but his biggest weakness is that he gets into some terrible positions as a central defender where he can't possibly defend situations

He needs someone alongside him to be in his earole for the whole 90 minutes

Rodon might turn out to be very good because he wants to defend he is something of a throwback in that

 

[rio bryan]

Yes, you’re right I don’t know the answer, that would in any way, shape or form shift your perspective. Hence, why try? But if it makes you feel validated in your belief, that this player has no redeemable qualities, and you want to debate anyone who dares challenge this belief, then, you win. You’re right. I wrote my earlier response because I couldn’t think of one single thing the player has ever done that would make you reconsider how you feel. So, yep... you got me. I was simply stalling because in my heart I knew you were right, but didn’t want to admit it otherwise I would lose face. You win. I lose. Dav is everything you say he is and im a pillock for having the gall to think otherwise.

Mea culpa. Hugs and kisses.

Peace, my brother.

❤?❤

Just answer the question and stop waffling

 

[wirE]

I've seen quite a few posters say Sanchez has a lot of potential and I'd be interested to know what it is they see in him that I'm not seeing. My view on Sanchez would be:

1) He's pretty quick.
2) He's a reasonably big guy but not massive, and despite being reasonably big he seems to get bullied physically fairly often.
3) His heading is pretty poor - both in terms of misjudging the flight of the ball, and also the accuracy of them when he does get his head on it.
4) His ability on the ball is poor. Not pretty poor, just plain poor. Some of the basic technical stuff that you need to master as a kid just doesn't seem to be there.
5) His tackling is OK.
6) I've not seen anything to suggest any great leadership qualities.

On the face of it there's not much there to work with. So what am I missing?

You're basically describing a "poor man's Harry Maguire".