Jose Mourinho

[For the love of Spurs]

Mourinho is a master at throwing other people under the bus..

maybe a skill that will come in ah day working for Levy.

 

[danielneeds]

Nope- what I'm asking for is for the investment company to invest in players that will- in all likelihood- add greatly to our team- and by "greatly" I mean creating EPL Title winning and/or Champions League winning squads.

Do you think Fenway Sports Group wants to lose money? No, right? And does every big-time money-spending gamble they take pay off? Well, no, of course not. And yet, their investment in both the Boston Red Sox and Liverpool have created multiple-time World Champions and, in the process, has hugely raised the profiles of two once-great teams, both of whose collective successes were- until fairly recently- relatively modest.

What I'm proposing is that ENIC act like an investment company that's prepared to gamble, as in: buying players like Virgil Van Dyke and Alison Becker--type gambles (as opposed to "bet the whole wedge on us making the Champions League, like Leeds did"-type gambles) in order to get us over the top.

Chelsea gambles. Roman gambles. Sometimes the gambles pay off, sometimes they don't. But think how much the profile of that once-dogshit, horrible, scum-sucking, bottom-feeding troglodyte club has grown- to the point where little kids in Brooklyn "support Chelsea." If he sold the club today he'd probably triple his original investment, an investment built on- sorry- but: gamble, after gamble, after gamble, after gamble...

Perhaps Levy, Lewis and co. should enter the casino as well, seeing as the way we're going guarantees one thing- we won't be relegated- and nothing else. We are perennially "solid," which is fine (better than the alternative. But you know what I want? I want some hateful gooner/scouser/Manc/blue vermin-dickhead to have to say the words "Fuck me, but here we are in 2023 and now, sometimes, those North London cockney bastards are actually winning things! It's like we're living in some horrible, parallel universe, it is. Goddamn Spuds..." as he it all- and as he leaves the pub in abject horror watching Timo Werner, Harry Kane, Heung-Min Son and and Ryan Sessegnon lift our second consecutive Champions League Trophy. I want that wanker to feel the pain of the new Spurs- no longer the bridesmaids, now the fucking bride. Or is it only other, non-"investment-company-owned"-clubs that will ever get to feel that joy?

We can get riskier, we can change our ways a bit, we can "level-up" so to speak without "doing a Leeds" and/or hemorrhaging money. I know this because I've watched other teams do just that, year after year after year. Dortmund (FFS) won/win major trophies. Atletico Madrid (in some ways the "us" of Spain) won- and continues to appear in and occasionally win- major trophies, Liverpool- a comparatively tiny English city with absolutely nothing going for it except for the football team (one managed- for a time- by an owl with a lisp and, later, featuring Loris Karius in goal) have far, FAR surpassed us, to the point of embarrassment if we're being honest...

YOLO, Joe, Danny and co.; now's the time to get a little nuts, to go for it and end our collective misery- and even if it somehow, someway it doesn't go as planned, something tells me it'll be fine.

Except Fenway didn’t gamble buying Alisson and Van Dijk, they merely spent the £150m they burned Barca for on Coutinho very, very wisely.

We don’t know how much they’ve put into Liverpool transfers, but I’d say the biggest difference apart from them being better at identifying talent, is that they’ve also been able to sell players for outrageously inflated fees.

 

[RichieS]

Nope- what I'm asking for is for the investment company to invest in players that will- in all likelihood- add greatly to our team- and by "greatly" I mean creating EPL Title winning and/or Champions League winning squads.

Do you think Fenway Sports Group wants to lose money? No, right? And does every big-time money-spending gamble they take pay off? Well, no, of course not. And yet, their investment in both the Boston Red Sox and Liverpool have created multiple-time World Champions and, in the process, has hugely raised the profiles of two once-great teams, both of whose collective successes were- until fairly recently- relatively modest.

What I'm proposing is that ENIC act like an investment company that's prepared to gamble, as in: buying players like Virgil Van Dyke and Alison Becker--type gambles (as opposed to "bet the whole wedge on us making the Champions League, like Leeds did"-type gambles) in order to get us over the top.

Chelsea gambles. Roman gambles. Sometimes the gambles pay off, sometimes they don't. But think how much the profile of that once-dogshit, horrible, scum-sucking, bottom-feeding troglodyte club has grown- to the point where little kids in Brooklyn "support Chelsea." If he sold the club today he'd probably triple his original investment, an investment built on- sorry- but: gamble, after gamble, after gamble, after gamble...

Perhaps Levy, Lewis and co. should enter the casino as well, seeing as the way we're going guarantees one thing- we won't be relegated- and nothing else. We are perennially "solid," which is fine (better than the alternative. But you know what I want? I want some hateful gooner/scouser/Manc/blue vermin-dickhead to have to say the words "Fuck me, but here we are in 2023 and now, sometimes, those North London cockney bastards are actually winning things! It's like we're living in some horrible, parallel universe, it is. Goddamn Spuds..." as he it all- and as he leaves the pub in abject horror watching Timo Werner, Harry Kane, Heung-Min Son and and Ryan Sessegnon lift our second consecutive Champions League Trophy. I want that wanker to feel the pain of the new Spurs- no longer the bridesmaids, now the fucking bride. Or is it only other, non-"investment-company-owned"-clubs that will ever get to feel that joy?

We can get riskier, we can change our ways a bit, we can "level-up" so to speak without "doing a Leeds" and/or hemorrhaging money. I know this because I've watched other teams do just that, year after year after year. Dortmund (FFS) won/win major trophies. Atletico Madrid (in some ways the "us" of Spain) won- and continues to appear in and occasionally win- major trophies, Liverpool- a comparatively tiny English city with absolutely nothing going for it except for the football team (one managed- for a time- by an owl with a lisp and, later, featuring Loris Karius in goal) have far, FAR surpassed us, to the point of embarrassment if we're being honest...

YOLO, Joe, Danny and co.; now's the time to get a little nuts, to go for it and end our collective misery- and even if it somehow, someway it doesn't go as planned, something tells me it'll be fine.

The two examples you give (FSG and Abramovich) are nothing alike. FSG operate in exactly the same way as ENIC - they do not put their own money into Liverpool's transfer budget but recycle club funds into the club. Liverpool, being historically on a different level to virtually every other team in England, generate(d, until very recently) far more money than us and, as a result, spent more on transfer fees and wages. The actions of THFC since the stadium project was concluded have been to make a significant loss on transfer dealings for possibly the first time during ENIC's ownership, significantly increase the salaries of top players and to appoint an expensive top tier manager who is pretty obviously going to want to spend money on top tier players. How about we give them a chance to go further down this road now the shackles are off?

Abramovich, on the other hand, spent lots of his own money (via a loan to CFC) in order to raise his profile significantly enough that Putin couldn't reasonably put polonium in his tea. What he did at Chelsea can no longer be achieved (@Lilbaz will happily tell you all about how FFP was introduced by the historic big clubs to prevent more teams like Chelsea and PSG further disrupting their cartel).

 

[TwanYid]

Look I'd bloody love if old Joe went nuts and spunked his fortune on us.
I just don't see that sort of approach ever happening under Enic...it goes completely against everything they've done whilst they've owned us.
To be clear, In an ideal world I'd like new owners who are prepared to approach things differently.

Did Roman spunk his whole fortune on Chelsea?

 

[danielneeds]

Did Roman spunk his whole fortune on Chelsea?

Nope, and when he eventually sells, he’ll have made more than he put in.

 

[RichieS]

Except Fenway didn’t gamble buying Alisson and Van Dijk, they merely spent the £150m they burned Barca for on Coutinho very, very wisely.

We don’t know how much they’ve put into Liverpool transfers, but I’d say the biggest difference apart from them being better at identifying talent, is that they’ve also been able to sell players for outrageously inflated fees.

Back in 2017, Liverpool fans were questioning FSG's willingness to spend what was necessary to push them over the final hurdle. The sale of Coutinho and subsequent brilliant use of the money turned the tide.

 

[danielneeds]

Back in 2017, Liverpool fans were questioning FSG's willingness to spend what was necessary to push them over the final hurdle. The sale of Coutinho and subsequent brilliant use of the money turned the tide.

It was a confluence of events. They signed some brilliant players, sold an extremely over-rated one at a sky high price and had TAA come through and Robertson develop beyond their wildest expectations. I’d say they are jammy bastards, but they put the work in and got/will get their just rewards.

 

[RichieS]

It was a confluence of events. They signed some brilliant players, sold an extremely over-rated one at a sky high price and had TAA come through and Robertson develop beyond their wildest expectations. I’d say they are jammy bastards, but they put the work in and got/will get their just rewards.

Their whole scouting/recruitment setup has put ours (and pretty much everyone else's, tbf) to shame over the last few years. They're a really good example of what can be achieved when one of the historically big clubs gets that aspect spot on rather than getting hung up on big name signings, the bastards.

 

[alfie103]

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Busted flush? What are you talking about?

 

[jezz]

does anyone else think we are playing worse than in the final stages of the Poch era?
I know Mourinho has a greater point record than Poch's final stretch but I actually think we are playing worse?

That points record may well change in the next five league games.
I can't see were the points are gonna come from. Maybe Norwich but I don't see any others.

 

[Wheeler Dealer]

Did Roman spunk his whole fortune on Chelsea?

Roman's money isn't his!

 

[Wheeler Dealer]

Busted flush? What are you talking about?

busted flush
noun

1. 2.
   INFORMAL
   a promising person or thing that turns out to be unsuccessful.
   "his leadership is already a busted flush"
   
   
   
   

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

I’m currently torn between feelings that:
A) our squad isn’t good enough and needs an overhaul in 5-6 positions
B) the tactics and football jose is serving up is disappointing and it will end in tears very soon.

But it would certainly be interesting if Levy did enable Jose to make say 4-5 big decent signings between now and the start of next season in the positions we all on here know we need to strengthen:
RB
LB
CB
CDM
AM
ST back up for Kane.

In his 2nd spell back at chelsea I believe he made 4-5 top signings such as Fabregas, Diego Costa, Schurlle, Re-signing Drogba on a free and one other and those signings basically meant they won the title. I’m obviously not saying if we make 4-5 signings like this he will win us the title next season but he could perhaps get us playing some good stuff and get us over the line for some sort of trophy, and if it all goes tits up after making 4-5 key signings (if we do which I doubt we will), then I think we will all know at that point that jose is for sure a very successful but now outdated coach.

I sincerely hope we can get these signings and that jose still has the magic in his locker.

COYS

 

[JimmyG2]

It's almost like elite level managers who've spent their entire adult lives working professionally in the sport sometimes make decisions that don't make sense to some fan on the internet.
It's very odd.

Yep and these elite managers
never ever get things wrong
and they never get the sack
for getting things wrong.
I mean Jose has a faultless record
and should never ever be questioned
on his performance and behaviour.

Only using two enforced subs
when you've been losing
from early in the game
makes perfect sense to me.
Picking Aurier again is obviously
a master stroke beyond
my simple fan's comprehension.

I'm a troll fol de rol.

 

[Gb160]

15 lines of 'poetry' needed to dimiss a light hearted criticism of internet fan's self importance.

Sweet irony right there.

 

[JimmyG2]

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15 lines of 'poetry' needed to dimiss a light hearted criticism of internet fan's self importance.

Sweet irony right there.

Ah the old
'lighten up
it's only banter'
defence.

 

[wrd]

It's almost like elite level managers who've spent their entire adult lives working professionally in the sport sometimes make decisions that don't make sense to some fan on the internet.
It's very odd.

And yet it was alright for you to be highly critical of Poch but now it's Jose its completely different.

 

[Gb160]

And yet it was alright for you to be highly critical of Poch but now it's Jose its completely different.

I never dug out his tactics or individual decisions, as a fan on the internet I have no authority to do so.
I said he'd lost the dressing room and his time was up...which was clear to everyone.

 

[wrd]

I never dug out his tactics or individual decisions, as a fan on the internet I have no authority to do so.
I said he'd lost the dressing room and his time was up...which was clear to everyone.

Right but its an internet forum, for discussion and debate, we have player thread after player thread for discussing who we like and dont. To call it self indulgent is laughable but I apologise for having an opinion, looking back I do feel arrogant that I feel Dele should come off now and then if he isn't at it.

 

[Gb160]

Right but its an internet forum, for discussion and debate, we have player thread after player thread for discussing who we like and dont. To call it self indulgent is laughable but I apologise for having an opinion, looking back I do feel arrogant that I feel Dele should come off now and then if he isn't at it.

Dude theres nothing wrong for having an opinion, it's the inflating of that opinion as 'right' that I have always found funny and self-indulgent on these boards.