Let Fans In

[mightyspur]

Fuck that. We have started to play well and are scoring lots of goals especially away from home. Don't want fans going back and ruining that!

 

[FibreOpticJesus]

Its to do with £££s. Pubs, restaurants and shops will shut down if they cant open and jobs will be lost etc. Football clubs will still get their money from broadcasting and will survive. I get that there is an issue with smaller clubs which will need to be addressed.

Whilst I do not support the opening up the grounds of the professional side of football. I do think we they should allow ticket only attendance to the minor leagues which we could all attend and watch the prem on the telly. That would bring much needed funds to the lower leagues and could have a long lasting benefit to these teams.

I could even take my dog. Come On Hertford

 

[dagraham]

If everyone is required to wear masks even at their seats, there is 10-15 feet distance between people, attendance is capped at like 10-15%, and proper contact tracing information is kept, I think that would be okay. But anything other than that? No.

It’s hard enough to enforce the broad general public to wear masks ( still plenty who won’t in shops and some on public transport).

Good luck trying to get pissed up football fans to comply.

 

[wirE]

Not signing this tbh. COVID is on a rise again and people getting infected are up more than ever.

 

[easley91]

I refuse to sign this. Those comparing to cinemas for example don't understand that in some people's circumstances like mine I would have to get 2 or 3 trains to get to Tottenham. Whereas I walk to the cinema. What's the safer and has far less risk? There's fewer people going to the cinema, it's easier to manage (like pubs and restaurants). Few thousand at a stadium isn't so easy to manage when compared.

All it would take is one person on a train to give it to me, then I give it to someone at a ground, or my elderly mother who works in a school. One of those kids and so on.

Fans at football can wait in my opinion.

 

[Danny1]

Theatre's are shut. Thousands have lost their livelihood because of it.

There are a huge number of theatres currently open?

 

[Danny1]

But that is the point you cannot have what you describe above.

The above culture is a major cause of all the increases in the metropolitan areas. Unfortunately too many of our citizens do not act appropriately and if we had 15000 supporters at a game there would be packed pubs and cafes outside the ground with potential of away fans without tickets attending for the crack. The bars in the ground are a nightmare prior to ko and at halftime. Can you imagine how a 2m distanced queue would work. The stairs at full time would be full of fans not willing to keep their distance as they race to get home to see their loved ones. There is no parking so the majority of fans will have to queue politely for trains/underground and buses at 2m distance.

All of the above means that you have a perfect breading ground for us fans to become infected and pass on to the venerable and old and all those who are in our so called bubbles.

I for one will not be attending and it grieves me deeply but if we go into this half baked all we are doing is prolonging the impact of this dreadful disease.

In my experience where i live you can indeed have lots of people getting drunk in pubs watching football. Every pub local to me is advertising that they are showing games all day & the pubs are full. Seated only granted, but people can be in there from 11am to 10pm.

Im not trying to be obstructive I just dont see how major cities allow all pubs to stay open to 10pm and watch thousands and thousands of people to all go home at the same time, but cannot review a football game the same way?

 

[spursfan77]

So you can stand in a crowd on a train going to work or queing to the supermarket but you can't stand outside watching a game of football - its a nonsense

If they reported persons lost years and not deaths is a meaningful stat -

Yep. Get a proportion of the fans in. Been saying so in the Coronavirus thread. Public transport is the main problem but if there is only a few thousand and arrival times are staggered then that should be manageable.

Nobody can persuade me that it isn’t safe to have a few thousand in our stadium sat outdoors. I bet you could avoid contact with other people on the walkways even more than in a supermarket.

Talking about the stadiums only - A covid safety certificate for stadia could be drawn up and those facilities who satisfy the criteria in it could open. The whole thing could be handled so much better. All it needs is a will and people to draw up the rules. But this government doesn’t have the nous for it.

The clubs who can open safely should be able to. It shouldn’t be a blanket rule. Sure it is tough on some clubs and if they can open at a smaller rate then they should be allowed to.

Legislation for the stadia is the way forward and run alongside other health and safety laws.

 

[JCRD]

I refuse to sign this. Those comparing to cinemas for example don't understand that in some people's circumstances like mine I would have to get 2 or 3 trains to get to Tottenham. Whereas I walk to the cinema. What's the safer and has far less risk? There's fewer people going to the cinema, it's easier to manage (like pubs and restaurants). Few thousand at a stadium isn't so easy to manage when compared.

All it would take is one person on a train to give it to me, then I give it to someone at a ground, or my elderly mother who works in a school. One of those kids and so on.

Fans at football can wait in my opinion.

I was one of those that compared it to theatres which is also im sure the perspective some who want fans to go back are also seeing it from. The question though, like you say is the public transport aspect which is the reason im personally not going to go back for a while.

Is it really more dangerous going on public transport to football as it is going to oxford street to shop? or to the theatre int he evening? or to central london for a meal?

15k fans going to spurs spread out over several trains, several methods of transport and several stations etc is and wont be jam packed - having said that im not going to take that risk

 

[eddiev14]

In my experience where i live you can indeed have lots of people getting drunk in pubs watching football. Every pub local to me is advertising that they are showing games all day & the pubs are full. Seated only granted, but people can be in there from 11am to 10pm.

Im not trying to be obstructive I just dont see how major cities allow all pubs to stay open to 10pm and watch thousands and thousands of people to all go home at the same time, but cannot review a football game the same way?

Because it's not 'major cities' making the decisions, it's this absolute clown car of a government.

 

[spursfan77]

If it goes some way to helping lower league clubs stay afloat, I'm all in.

Some non league clubs are allowed fans in.

Farnham Town: Fans flocking to non-League games amid elite football's lockout

Farnham Town are attracting local Reading, Aldershot and Southampton fans, whose teams are currently playing behind closed doors

www.skysports.com

 

[vicbob]

Sorry not signing. If I can't have more than 3 family/friends over for my boys 4th birthday, then no way should we even contemplate any mass events.

I know its comparing apples with oranges and is a bit tongue in cheek, but much as its bad news for the clubs and leisure industry (and I know its real people's livelihoods I'm talking about), mass events of any kind, should and will be the last things to get back to "normal".

We need to go to work/school/shops and should do everything to keep these things going, unfortunately we don't need to go to football matches or the theater/cinema. Its a luxury we all will have to do without for the foreseeable

 

[vegassd]

Nobody can persuade me that it isn’t safe to have a few thousand in our stadium sat outdoors. I bet you could avoid contact with other people on the walkways even more than in a supermarket.

And after the match? Do you honestly believe you could get even 100 football fans to queue at a safe distance to leave the ground?!

The idea of having fans back in stadiums is not as simple as the time during the match when all the fans are seated outside - it's about the coming and going to the stadium as well as the resources required to support those fans.

And as much as any of could say they would behave properly there's a very different mentality when people are in crowds or out enjoying themselves which I'm sure we have all witnessed ourselves in pubs, cinemas, restaurants etc.

 

[spursfan77]

And after the match? Do you honestly believe you could get even 100 football fans to queue at a safe distance to leave the ground?!

The idea of having fans back in stadiums is not as simple as the time during the match when all the fans are seated outside - it's about the coming and going to the stadium as well as the resources required to support those fans.

And as much as any of could say they would behave properly there's a very different mentality when people are in crowds or out enjoying themselves which I'm sure we have all witnessed ourselves in pubs, cinemas, restaurants etc.

Yep, but I was talking about the stadium and that only. Journeys and access are a different point to the one I was making, thought I made that clear.

 

[Lilbaz]

Um scotland just closed pubs and restaurants, somehow don't think this petition will do anything. Not with flu season starting.

Also what they really mean is let the corporate in

 

[dtxspurs]

If you’re of the lower risk demographic and you are smart about who you come in contact with before and after, sure go for it. I had a bunch of friends go to a Cowboys game this weekend and they’re all perfectly fine.

 

[vegassd]

Yep, but I was talking about the stadium and that only. Journeys and access are a different point to the one I was making, thought I made that clear.

Sure, but you don't magically get all the people into and out of the stadium without those journeys and access points. That's what the decision makers will be looking at when deciding if/when fans will be allowed in. We can't take the idea of a few thousand people sat in their seats in isolation because it's not reflective of real life.

I really like your idea about a stadium getting a covid certificate or something by the way, but unfortunately it's only part of the issue.

For example, at the moment all the subs have to sit apart and wear masks which is pretty stupid because they are potentially going to play and be exposed anyway. But a big part of that is the optics of the whole thing. If the general public saw football players not wearing masks or distancing it begins to play down the importance of those things in the public's collective attitude.

The same would go for the first video somebody tweets of football fans leaving a stadium in a big clump and without wearing masks. The collective attitude is then "if it's fine for people to do that at a football match it's fine for me to have my mates round for a party" or a million other scenarios and the whole thing rolls out of control.

Yes, the seating area of a football ground is probably a very safe environment, and yes our stadium is probably one of the safest in terms of distancing. But that doesn't mean we should let fans back in. PL clubs in particular are a victim of their own popularity in this regard I would say.

 

[al_pacino]

Whilst I do not support the opening up the grounds of the professional side of football. I do think we they should allow ticket only attendance to the minor leagues which we could all attend and watch the prem on the telly. That would bring much needed funds to the lower leagues and could have a long lasting benefit to these teams.

I could even take my dog. Come On Hertford

Leagues below conference north and south are allowed people in so as things stand they probably aren't doing so bad. Gates look about normal but the bar and related income is more than likely down.

 

[thecook]

Good point re theatres. Makes no sense when it’s in black and white like that.

You get theatres in colour nowadays.

Seriously though, I'm not particularly happy with the club even backing this on the OS. Stinks of desperation at the expense of commons sense and the nations' health.

 

[easley91]

I was one of those that compared it to theatres which is also im sure the perspective some who want fans to go back are also seeing it from. The question though, like you say is the public transport aspect which is the reason im personally not going to go back for a while.

Is it really more dangerous going on public transport to football as it is going to oxford street to shop? or to the theatre int he evening? or to central london for a meal?

15k fans going to spurs spread out over several trains, several methods of transport and several stations etc is and wont be jam packed - having said that im not going to take that risk

FWIW I'm not going to any event whatsoever at the moment (even if I could afford to). It's madness. Literally only going out to see family or for medical appointments. I personally do not trust the general public around me. That may be different for others as they go to these things, but for one am not risking it. I saw someone mentioned the walkways at Tottenham, that's great and all but what about the smaller venues? The ones where you're crammed in? It's not as simple as opening up grounds again. You have to look at policing, public transport, the food and pubs around the grounds as well. There's a lot more to it.

We shouldn't be doing this at least until after the winter to see how the flu season impacts it as well.