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[tommo84]

The little sound bites are coming out...

Sounds like a very fractured dressing room to me. Not convinced Ten Hag or Fernandes have the required personality to fix that if it as fractured and tense as it appears from the outside. Could be another long season for them treading water and struggling for any consistency on the pitch.

Funny though.

 

[coysjod]

No way he wrote that lol it will have been somebody on his team.

This is all pretty shocking though. Greenwood and now this. You also have Sancho who appears to have as bad an attitude as N'Dombele. Serious issues in that club.

 

[neogenisis]

Couldnt be happening to a nicer Club =) They must put something in the water. *Grabs more popcorn*

 

[dvdhopeful]

Sancho sums up everything wrong at United. Entitled, weak, over inflated ego, lazy.

3 out of 4, fine, don't like seeing 'weak' in there if the guy really is struggling with depression.

 

[HildoSpur]

3 out of 4, fine, don't like seeing 'weak' in there if the guy really is struggling with depression.

Weak mentality I mean, that has nothing to do with mental health, it's about his attitude and lack of willingness to fight and improve. People who suffer from depression but still turn up and do what they need to do are some of the strongest people on the planet if you ask me.

 

[dvdhopeful]

Weak mentality I mean, that has nothing to do with mental health, it's about his attitude and lack of willingness to fight and improve.

Thanks for clarifying.

 

[absolute bobbins]

and you think that's appropriate and any women in the crowd would be OK with it?

Yes. Weirdly, women aren't fans of physical violence and many would rather perpetrators get tarred and feathered for it.

 

[muppetman]

Yes. Weirdly, women aren't fans of physical violence and many would rather perpetrators get tarred and feathered for it.

My feeling is that this stuff should be kept secret until someone has actually gone to trial - reputations can be destroyed purely on hearsay. If someone is found guilty, then throw the book at them.

The Greenwood case is slightly different due to the evidence that was out there in the public domain - I'm happy enough with sponsors deciding he isn't good for their brand, but still think the guy hasn't actually been convicted of anything yet.

I still don't think chanting about domestic abuse "for bantz" is a good idea.

 

[Rout-Ledge]

I’m not comfortable with deciding that a player is guilty, until the case has gone through the legal process.

You’d never decide someone has done a shitty thing unless they’ve been convicted of it in a criminal court? Really? There’s evidence in the public domain pertaining to Greenwood that we’ve all heard. If it wasn’t legit United would’ve kept him.

 

[Kirito]

Weak mentality I mean, that has nothing to do with mental health, it's about his attitude and lack of willingness to fight and improve. People who suffer from depression but still turn up and do what they need to do are some of the strongest people on the planet if you ask me.

Without turning this into a mental health thread, thats not how it works. Most depression is due to a chemical imbalance, there are some medications that work but they can take a long time to kick in and even then you’ll go through periods where nothing helps. It can cause your body to shutdown, even something as simple as getting out of bed or showering can become exhausting.

If Sancho has clinical depression then we simply don’t know enough to start saying he has a “weak mentality”

Hope the lad is doing ok

 

[kmk]

You’d never decide someone has done a shitty thing unless they’ve been convicted of it in a criminal court? Really? There’s evidence in the public domain pertaining to Greenwood that we’ve all heard. If it wasn’t legit United would’ve kept him.

I'm referring to the Anthony case. His statement suggests that his ex partner has lied about the physical abuse.

 

[Ribble]

I’m not comfortable with deciding that a player is guilty, until the case has gone through the legal process.

You’d never decide someone has done a shitty thing unless they’ve been convicted of it in a criminal court? Really? There’s evidence in the public domain pertaining to Greenwood that we’ve all heard. If it wasn’t legit United would’ve kept him.

Convictions for rape and domestic assault are also really difficult to get, even without taking into account how shitty the justice system is at pursuing them in the first place and the collosall amounts of money that professional sportsmen have to throw at them.

 

[FinnYid]

Convictions for rape and domestic assault are also really difficult to get

May vary from one country to another, but reckon Ched Evans wouldn't have gotten sentence on many European juridical systems (though it was not guilty after retrial in UK also, however after serving the sentence on jail).

However hope these would stay out of public untill prosecutor has at least decided wether there is evidence to go ahead. What happened to Gylfi shouldn't have happened in civilized country.

 

[Frank Blank]

I know many of us moan about being one injury away from Dier, but God forbid, United had Maguire and Evans on the pitch at the same time on Sunday. Talk about going over the proverbial cliff.

 

[Frank Blank]

The thing that caught my eye in the Antony case is that he allegedly damaged one of his girlfriend's breast implants. That's certainly a new one on me when it comes to assault cases.

 

[HildoSpur]

Without turning this into a mental health thread, thats not how it works. Most depression is due to a chemical imbalance, there are some medications that work but they can take a long time to kick in and even then you’ll go through periods where nothing helps. It can cause your body to shutdown, even something as simple as getting out of bed or showering can become exhausting.

If Sancho has clinical depression then we simply don’t know enough to start saying he has a “weak mentality”

Hope the lad is doing ok

Although that is true there is plenty of evidence to suggest that he simply has a shite attitude - his time at City and Dortmund both had talk around attitude problems and now Utd.

 

[aliyid]

What a mess that club is (and has been for a number of years) and yet fans & pundits alike still believe Kane would have happily gone there and that Sonny should make a move to Utd

Only thing to improve is get Phil Neville in to replace ETH then watch Gary go into full on conflict of emotions

 

[Oscar22]

At this rate United are going to have more internal enquiries than wins.

 

[brasil_spur]

My feeling is that this stuff should be kept secret until someone has actually gone to trial - reputations can be destroyed purely on hearsay. If someone is found guilty, then throw the book at them.

The Greenwood case is slightly different due to the evidence that was out there in the public domain - I'm happy enough with sponsors deciding he isn't good for their brand, but still think the guy hasn't actually been convicted of anything yet.

I still don't think chanting about domestic abuse "for bantz" is a good idea.

In a world where footballers have the money to buy off their acusers there might never be a conviction though, which doesn't mean they aren't guilty.

OJ for sure killed his wife and her lover, but he was never convicted - should he have been welcomed back into the world of sports and entertainment with open arms?

Greenwood may or possibly may not have done what he was accused of, but he bought off his accuser and so there's no chance of a conviction without her testimony and evidence.

If Anthony was innocent then there's no way a court in Brazil would be getting involved. There are A LOT of people in Brazil accusing footballers of all sorts (mostly rape) - it's practically an industry out there, but yet 99.9% of these never get investigated because either A) there isn't enough evidence or B) the accuser was bought off.

I'm not saying he's guilty though, but this much smoke without fire would be odd. At the very least he's a massive twat who doesn't treat women properly.

 

[muppetman]

In a world where footballers have the money to buy off their acusers there might never be a conviction though, which doesn't mean they aren't guilty.

OJ for sure killed his wife and her lover, but he was never convicted - should he have been welcomed back into the world of sports and entertainment with open arms?

Greenwood may or possibly may not have done what he was accused of, but he bought off his accuser and so there's no chance of a conviction without her testimony and evidence.

If Anthony was innocent then there's no way a court in Brazil would be getting involved. There are A LOT of people in Brazil accusing footballers of all sorts (mostly rape) - it's practically an industry out there, but yet 99.9% of these never get investigated because either A) there isn't enough evidence or B) the accuser was bought off.

I'm not saying he's guilty though, but this much smoke without fire would be odd. At the very least he's a massive twat who doesn't treat women properly.

That's fair.

I think as others have said, getting a conviction for sexual assault or battery between people known to be sexual partners is almost impossible without some sort of physical evidence.

I'm just not hugely comfortable with "public opinion" weighing in as I/we don't know enough about what's actually happened. Once the authorities in Brasil have had a proper look, maybe it'll be easier to come to a conclusion - even if there isn't an actual conviction.