Let's All Laugh At... let's all laugh at United

[dontcallme]

Was it the scouting or the Manager ? You say the scouts valued Anthony at 25 million so whose fault is it they paid 87 million ? Not the scouts.

Agree. Seems to me the manager wanted these players and the club paid huge to get them.

We have numerous posters on this site saying we need to pay whatever it takes to get who the manager wants. It's entertaining to watch this tactic fail so spectacularly.

 

[PCozzie]

Brailsford’s “marginal gains” success at Team Sky and then Ineos has partly been down to those teams having a 40/50% bigger budget than all of the competition.

As that’s not going to happen at United I’m not entirely convinced this is going to be roaring success. Probably an improvement of what they have now but not sure that’s going to take a lot.

The INEOS cycling team have gone from an almost guaranteed Grand Tour win as SKY every season to a mid-pack team hoping for the odd stage win or maybe a classic if they're lucky. I've probably paid less attention over the last couple of years, but if they are still rolling with the biggest budget on the Tour then I wouldn't be getting overly excited if I were a Man Utd fan.

 

[newbie]

Was it the scouting or the Manager ? You say the scouts valued Anthony at 25 million so whose fault is it they paid 87 million ? Not the scouts.

Exactly

 

[yawa]

The INEOS cycling team have gone from an almost guaranteed Grand Tour win as SKY every season to a mid-pack team hoping for the odd stage win or maybe a classic if they're lucky. I've probably paid less attention over the last couple of years, but if they are still rolling with the biggest budget on the Tour then I wouldn't be getting overly excited if I were a Man Utd fan.

ineos is about $60m a year and nearest team is $40m. Last time I checked.

similar to you I used to follow the tour a lot. Not so much these days

 

[PCozzie]

ineos is about $60m a year and nearest team is $40m. Last time I checked.

similar to you I used to follow the tour a lot. Not so much these days

Wow, that's quite a gap. Not sure what their strategy is with that budget.

I think the whole 'marginal gains' thing has run its course in cycling, but I'm sure there's probably quite a lot to work on in football still.

 

[Nine while nine]

Bringing expertise from other sports into football has a short and inglorious history.

You may recall that, in 2005, Rupert Lowe-Self-Esteem brought in Sir Clive Woodward as Performance Director and, subsequently, Director of Football at Southampton. Sir Clive's first appointee - a head of sports science - resigned after two months. The manager, a certain Mr. Harry Redknapp, resigned soon after. By the end of the season, Sir Clive had gone, and so, indeed, had the chairman, chased off by irate fans. Southampton finished mid-table in the Championship and were relegated to League One a couple of years later after Lowe returned to weave his magic once more.

Now I'm not saying that this necessarily means we'll see Manchester United in League One by the end of the decade, but I think it fair to point out that what works in other sports doesn't necessarily work in football. Ain't that right, Todd?

 

[tommyt]

Bringing expertise from other sports into football has a short and inglorious history.

You may recall that, in 2005, Rupert Lowe-Self-Esteem brought in Sir Clive Woodward as Performance Director and, subsequently, Director of Football at Southampton. Sir Clive's first appointee - a head of sports science - resigned after two months. The manager, a certain Mr. Harry Redknapp, resigned soon after. By the end of the season, Sir Clive had gone, and so, indeed, had the chairman, chased off by irate fans. Southampton finished mid-table in the Championship and were relegated to League One a couple of years later after Lowe returned to weave his magic once more.

Now I'm not saying that this necessarily means we'll see Manchester United in League One by the end of the decade, but I think it fair to point out that what works in other sports doesn't necessarily work in football. Ain't that right, Todd?

This is what I want for Christmas next year

 

[Tucker]

Agree. Seems to me the manager wanted these players and the club paid huge to get them.

We have numerous posters on this site saying we need to pay whatever it takes to get who the manager wants. It's entertaining to watch this tactic fail so spectacularly.

United remind me of the old Harry Enfield sketch with the antiques guy who cons dippy people into buying ridiculous things for ridiculous prices. ”Well I did see you coming.”

 

[taidgh]

What an amazing shot this is!

 

[SlotBadger]

United remind me of the old Harry Enfield sketch with the antiques guy who cons dippy people into buying ridiculous things for ridiculous prices. ”Well I did see you coming.”

That is a such a Trustafaria Dance thing to say.

 

[RuskyM]

Doesn't a lot of this money come from him not paying taxes? If so, technically all of us should have a say in the running. They should be publicly owned.

Then again, I've seen United a lot this season, and they've been publicly owned many times.

 

[Japhet]

Doesn't a lot of this money come from him not paying taxes? If so, technically all of us should have a say in the running. They should be publicly owned.

Then again, I've seen United a lot this season, and they've been publicly owned many times.

'Cough' Joe Lewis 'Cough'.

 

[JeremyPaxton]

How is the Ratcliffe thing going to actually work in practice?
It's unheard of for a majority owner of a company to legally turnover control of the key subsidiaries of the business to a minority (25%) shareholder. What are the Glaziers going to do if they think Ratcliffe is taking unreasonable risks, making terrible football decisions or wants to spend too much money on transfers and risks signifianctly lowering the value of the overall club?
Ratcliffe isn't a mug and won't fork out a billion dollars without ironclad assurances that he's really getting what he thinks is control of the how the football side is run, but I can't work out how the Glaziers and Ratcliffe are going to resolve disputes when they don't see eye-to-eye, given both them have so much money at stake.

Levy and Lewis look like the mould they might be trying to copy, but here at Spurs it's simple: Levy calls the shots, unless the Lewis family say no: and when push comes to shove, it's the Lewis' view that wins. And it's a lot easier because Levy hasn't just spunked a billion quid, only to have uncle Joe say "no" at key decision points.

United is a shambles too, so it's not like they're operating on a stable patient.

 

[midoshairband]

 

[UncleBuck]

Ratcliffe on day one with the Glazers, I don’t see how they get out of the mess they are in yet they are still in the top eight, they are truly awful!
It’s brilliant, just like seeing Bohely’s lot only seven points above Luton.

 

[Tucker]

How is the Ratcliffe thing going to actually work in practice?
It's unheard of for a majority owner of a company to legally turnover control of the key subsidiaries of the business to a minority (25%) shareholder. What are the Glaziers going to do if they think Ratcliffe is taking unreasonable risks, making terrible football decisions or wants to spend too much money on transfers and risks signifianctly lowering the value of the overall club?
Ratcliffe isn't a mug and won't fork out a billion dollars without ironclad assurances that he's really getting what he thinks is control of the how the football side is run, but I can't work out how the Glaziers and Ratcliffe are going to resolve disputes when they don't see eye-to-eye, given both them have so much money at stake.

Levy and Lewis look like the molde they might be trying to copy, but here at Spurs it's simple: Levy calls the shots, unless the Lewis family say no: and when push comes to shove, it's the Lewis' view that wins. And it's a lot easier because Levy hasn't just spunked a billion quid, only to have uncle Joe say "no" at key decision points.

United is a shambles too, so it's not like they're operating on a stable patient.

It’s going to be interesting to see how it plays out. At the end of the day Levy is an employee at Spurs, he owns part of the club, but he’s not in control. Like you say, if Lewis (or the family trust nowadays) say no he can’t act.

Ratcliffe is buying control of the football side of things. We tried something similar in the early nineties with Sugar and Venables and it ended acrimoniously.

Ratcliffe wants to own the whole club, buying a chunk of it is a compromise as the Glazers don’t want to sell now, is he going to want to significantly increase the value of an asset he wants to buy? Are the Glazers really going to want to leave things alone?

Hopefully it ends in tears.

 

[Gassin's finest]

It’s going to be interesting to see how it plays out. At the end of the day Levy is an employee at Spurs, he owns part of the club, but he’s not in control. Like you say, if Lewis (or the family trust nowadays) say no he can’t act.

Ratcliffe is buying control of the football side of things. We tried something similar in the early nineties with Sugar and Venables and it ended acrimoniously.

Ratcliffe wants to own the whole club, buying a chunk of it is a compromise as the Glazers don’t want to sell now, is he going to want to significantly increase the value of an asset he wants to buy? Are the Glazers really going to want to leave things alone?

Hopefully it ends in tears.

I don't think Ratcliffe has increased the value of any of his recent assets? Forties pipeline, Grangemouth, Belstaff... that fucking Grenadier abomination we've got slapped about our stadium? As for the sport... I think Nice are doing well, but everything else has declined?

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

How on earth are they 6th!

They way they’ve been playing and the bad feeling about their club this season feels like they should be about 8-10th.

 

[Metalhead]

'Hojlund breaks duck to mark start of new Man Utd era'

Rasmus Hojlund's first Premier League goal marks the start of a new era at Manchester United, writes Simon Stone.

www.bbc.co.uk

I know that I am being a grumpy git here but is the beginning part of the article supposed to be profound? ten Hag's half time message was hardly Churchillian.

 

[Rjayspur]

Garnacho wouldn't look out of place in a prime Fergie team in the 90's.

Mainly because of his frosted tips and step cut.