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cjsimba

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The thing that gets me, and without trying to sound too self-absorbed and conceited, is that we seem to be one of the only clubs that doesn't get our turn at glory. Couple of examples:

-Man City, forever in Man Utd's shadow finally last season finished above them and got to have their superior moment.
-Everton - same thing with Liverpool. Forever waiting to get one over Liverpool, and now in recent seasons they are finally getting their rewards for seeing out so many years of struggle.
-Even say a team like Cardiff who have gone out in the play-offs the last three seasons(!) are now finally getting their reward this season and finally getting to the premier league.

It sounds narrow-minded and self-centred, and there are definitely loads of clubs who would give anything to be in our position, but that just doesn't take away the feeling that we seem to be cursed and never able to have OUR moment. (I do know and appreciate that this is the best period to be a Spurs fan in the last 30 odd years, but tbh the extra hope and expectation just seems to make failure all the more harder to take.) We have unlucky examples like lasagne-gate, chelsea's champs league win, fulop, the linesman today, always going out on penalties etc. coupled together with how we (more importantly) always seem to shoot ourselves in the foot and collapse under pressure season after season. Even when we do achieve success (4th in 09/10) Arsenal still finished above us....

I guess it would just be nice to see a bit of justice in football; a bit of reward for going through so much over the years. But then again that isn't football and that isn't life. The rollercoaster of a ride Spurs fans (perhaps more than any others) go through each year can be great fun and entertaining - we wouldn't have it any other way we always say. Well, I think we say this in part because we feel when our time comes it will make the success all the more sweeter than say, simply winning the title thanks to being bought by a russian billionnaire......The problem is that at the moment our time just wont seem to arrive....

....But hold on, perhaps this post is far too premature. The season is definitely not yet over, THIS MAY STILL BE OUR TIME!!! What I like to do when our rivals get a lucky win is to pretend they won far more comfortably than they did. So today in my mind, Arsenal waltzed into a 3-0 lead in the first half with Norwich getting a consolation late on.....makes it much easier to take! The bonus is that there are definitely cracks in their team and we just have to hope Everton on Tuesday take points off them like they did us. We always thought Norwich at home would be 3 points for them so forget today. Fulham, QPR and Newcastle away are all tough tough games too so its all to play for.

In my opinion, a club and its fans are far more connected than we think. A winning mentality from the fans (or lack of) can have a serious effect on how the team in turn thinks, reacts and plays. Just one goal goes against us at WHL and the crowd immediately sinks, hassling the players to create out of nothing, jeering at every misplaced pass etc. This clearly gets to the players who panic, worry and buckle under the pressure. So we need to show our support to them now more than ever, we need to get behind the team these last few games, BELIEVE that we are going to turn it around and BELIEVE that this year we will finally get our rightful turn at success. In turn that positive energy will translate to the players. It is the only way that we as a club will be able to destroy this vicious cycle of defeatist thinking that swims back and forth between both the fans and the players.

By the way, I do recognise the hypocrisy in my post and how the very pessimistic, self-centred feelings I say we need to overcome are splashed out for all to see in my first few paragraphs. But i like you am a spurs fan. I too cant shake the 'why always us' thoughts that are all engrained in our heads and always immediately come out after any negative result. I started writing this post in this exact fashion, feeling angry after the norwich result and bemoaning our seemingly never-ending bad luck. But by the end of the post i realised that thinking like that achieves nothing....

This club is made up of both players and fans. The players play their part on the pitch, but the fans play just as big a part by how they react and think off of it and how this mindset and energy translates to the players. Only we as a club can turn around our fortunes. Only we all together can stop this vicious cycle of defeatist thinking that is currently stopping us from achieving our potential.

Einstein's definition of insanity can almost be taken as the definition of being a Spurs fan - 'Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.' To finally enjoy our time we have to go out and get it! COYS!!!!
 

Tafspur

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Understand and accept all your sentiments - I CHOSE to be a Spurs fan and so I take the ups (not many!) with the downs (too many!) but I wouldn't have it any other way. The future's bright, the future's lilywhite
 

Spurger King

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We qualified for the Champions League and were fantastic. That's more than most English clubs can say for the last decade. We were 4th last season, and have a fighting chance of 4th again this season.

Compared to what I was used to in the 90s this is bliss!
 

Lufti

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Our moment of glory was winning the Carling Cup a few years back against Chelsea.

I'm not sure if this post is sarcastic or not.
 

kr1978

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What glory have Everton had?? No trophies and knocked out in qualifying in their one champions league campaign??
 

SargeantMeatCurtains

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The amount of sympathy wanks i've been having recently will probably lead my wife into thinking I'm cheating on her with my right hand.

but its too soon for her to possibly understand what me and Parmella Handerson have.

True love!

just a man and his right hand

this is getting weird

really weird

why are you still reading this?

HEY

FUCK YOU
 

cjsimba

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What glory have Everton had?? No trophies and knocked out in qualifying in their one champions league campaign??

I've changed my tune since then, as the second part of my post shows, but my point originally was that they still have been able to get one over their rivals lately given that they're now consistently finishing above liverpool. Obviously i'd take our one successful champions league campaign over simply finishing above arsenal and going out champs league first round, but it would still be nice to finish above them soon (y)
 

cjsimba

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We qualified for the Champions League and were fantastic. That's more than most English clubs can say for the last decade. We were 4th last season, and have a fighting chance of 4th again this season.

Compared to what I was used to in the 90s this is bliss!

Very true mate. Its easy to forget how much better we have it now compared to the dark days of the 90's, and I do say as much in my (rather bipolar) post. (y)

Reading the first part of my post back (the frustrated part, compared to the more positive second part!) I guess my initial frustrations were with how we compare to our rivals arsenal rather than how much success we as a club have/are achieving. Whether this is the right way to judge success or not is debatable and to be honest I think it raises an interesting question. Say, its 10 years into the future and we are used to champions league football every season (hopefully!), would you enjoy such a campaign more knowing Arsenal weren't in the champions league or not? In other words, how big a part does your rival's success play in determining the success of/enjoyment from your own club's fortunes? What do you reckon SK?
 

Spurger King

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Very true mate. Its easy to forget how much better we have it now compared to the dark days of the 90's, and I do say as much in my (rather bipolar) post. (y)

Reading the first part of my post back (the frustrated part, compared to the more positive second part!) I guess my initial frustrations were with how we compare to our rivals arsenal rather than how much success we as a club have/are achieving. Whether this is the right way to judge success or not is debatable and to be honest I think it raises an interesting question. Say, its 10 years into the future and we are used to champions league football every season (hopefully!), would you enjoy such a campaign more knowing Arsenal weren't in the champions league or not? In other words, how big a part does your rival's success play in determining the success of/enjoyment from your own club's fortunes? What do you reckon SK?

Difficult to say until it happens, but I suspect I'd experience it much like my gooner mates. For them it's a point of amusement initially, followed immediately by focusing on their own campaign.

I don't think it matters just yet unfortunately. We're far more likely to go backwards than the gooners, so until we get a new stadium and further investment in the squad we'll continue to mostly fall short.

To answer your question, I think it only really matters when you're looking up at a rival.
 

Dare!

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The amount of sympathy wanks i've been having recently will probably lead my wife into thinking I'm cheating on her with my right hand.

but its too soon for her to possibly understand what me and Parmella Handerson have.

True love!

just a man and his right hand

this is getting weird

really weird

why are you still reading this?

HEY

FUCK YOU
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cjsimba

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I don't think it matters just yet unfortunately. We're far more likely to go backwards than the gooners, so until we get a new stadium and further investment in the squad we'll continue to mostly fall short.

Problem is by that time Arsenal will probably have finally realised they need to spend money to win trophies. Its a shame that we're not in a position to capitalise on Arsenal during such an 'uncertain' period for them
 

mkkid

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What glory have Everton had?? No trophies and knocked out in qualifying in their one champions league campaign??

When the beat us to win the league in 84 they were the best team in europe ,but they did lose 3 cup finals to Liverpool in that time.
 

cjsimba

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Us and about 500 other teams in england.

Are you saying 500 other teams haven't had their moment either, just like us? Well, in my OP I was talking about finishing above your major rivals and to be honest I maintain that Spurs finishing below Arsenal is indeed one of the only major rivalries in recent years where one club hasn't had their turn at being the superior team (on league standings).

In my OP i mentioned recent superiority shifts (in terms of league standings) between Man Utd + City, Everton + Liverpool....then you have teams like Cardiff and Swansea, each had a period recently of being the No.1, superior team. Southampton and Portsmouth - same situation. Sheffield Wednesday and Sheffield United - same. Rangers and Celtic - same. Not wanting to sound negative as I'm optimistic again about how this season will finish, but i stand by my point that it feels like Spurs are one of the only sides not to get their turn at being the superior team over their major rivals in the last 20 odd years or so.
 

mattdefoe

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Lost a lot of belief in football this weekend with the refs mistakes for the gooners. I love football Iove Tottenham but for the first time in my life I want the season to end I can't handle it at the moment for every great thing there's a terrible error and the drama queens and the other stuff . Slowly annoying me :(
 

Gassin's finest

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The thing that gets me, and without trying to sound too self-absorbed and conceited, is that we seem to be one of the only clubs that doesn't get our turn at glory.

Erm... we have? Early 60's maybe? Or maybe the 8 FA Cups we've won? Or the 2 European trophies we have?

You shouldn't forget your clubs history. We had over a decade of dirge but we're now regular european/title botherers again. Do you think Aston Villa fans or Nottingham Forest fans are so self pitying, and forget that they were once european champions just because things are bleak now?
 

cjsimba

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Erm... we have? Early 60's maybe? Or maybe the 8 FA Cups we've won? Or the 2 European trophies we have?

You shouldn't forget your clubs history. We had over a decade of dirge but we're now regular european/title botherers again. Do you think Aston Villa fans or Nottingham Forest fans are so self pitying, and forget that they were once european champions just because things are bleak now?

Very fair point, but I was specifically referring to more recent history - ie. the last 20 years or so (start of the premier league era). I agree we definitely shouldn't forget our clubs history but I was making my point more from my own personal standpoint - I started supporting the club in the mid 90's :)
 

Gassin's finest

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Very fair point, but I was specifically referring to more recent history - ie. the last 20 years or so (start of the premier league era). I agree we definitely shouldn't forget our clubs history but I was making my point more from my own personal standpoint - I started supporting the club in the mid 90's :)

You poor sod... but well done on sticking through it and not jumping ship!

But looking purely at the premier league era, you could say the same thing about every one of those past giants. Unless you happen to be Man Utd, the only other 4 clubs who've won it have had to do so via a vast outlay of dough. And each of them have inevitably fallen by the wayside to Man Utd again each time. Out of all those clubs who had "their time" in the past, we're the only one who has managed to get themselves back on parity.
 

cjsimba

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You poor sod... but well done on sticking through it and not jumping ship!

But looking purely at the premier league era, you could say the same thing about every one of those past giants. Unless you happen to be Man Utd, the only other 4 clubs who've won it have had to do so via a vast outlay of dough. And each of them have inevitably fallen by the wayside to Man Utd again each time. Out of all those clubs who had "their time" in the past, we're the only one who has managed to get themselves back on parity.

Haha, even if i wanted to jump ship its just impossible to do so isn't it. To think, for the next 50/60 years of my life I am going to have my weeks ruined by 11 men who fail to kick a ball in a net....:eek: Haha but we love it really.

Yer you raise another good point. But even though those clubs have fallen by the wayside again to Man Utd they still did get their brief moment in the spotlight. I guess that was the point I was trying to make. Don't get me wrong I don't think success is measured simply by finishing above your rivals one year, success is obviously measured by sustained dominance, winning and silverware etc. And as another poster alluded to earlier, I certainly wouldn't trade our position with Everton's simply because they have finished above their rivals a bit recently. But I still would just like to finish above Arsenal once, as Everton have done with Liverpool, City have done with Utd etc.

Even if this season we finish fourth and Arsenal finish third, as ecstatic as I will be to finish in a champions league place, a small childish part of me will still be a bit miffed that they get to gloat about finishing above us again. I guess it is a rather childish way of looking at things, but sometimes its hard to shake that childish desire to be No.1 :bag:
 
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