Manager Watch: Ange Postecoglou

[amathews3416]

I see people missing the point. Ange isn’t saying he doesn’t want to win. He is simply prioritizing the process that goes into winning. The work, dedication and sacrifice needed on the training pitch and games and the process that goes into playing football the right way, an exciting way. When you excel at that process then the winning will come. If you go into something brand new saying we are going to win this cup or competition, you lose the site of the process and creating the culture needed to get to that end result.

 

[alfie103]

He clearly says success to him is winning things

What things are we looking to win then? The premier league title and the champions league?

 

[jurgen11]

What things are we looking to win then? The premier league title and the champions league?

Winning football matches regularly would be a good start

 

[Legacy]

Now on the YouTube:

I think I just watched Jim White fall in love.

 

[alfie103]

Where did he say that? His comments are more about creating an environment which removes fear of failure.

Most high performing organisations are not results driven, as results are a byproduct of culture and effort.

The key is to focus on what gets results, not the results themselves.

Playing the style he wants isn't guaranteed to get results. For me, he implied in the interview his main priority was for the team to play a style of football he wants.

I conclude from that the style of football we play is more important to him than the results.

 

[mil1lion]

What I got from that was there will be a continuation of the same priorities i.e. finish top 4 and the cups aren't important.

Also it seemed to me the most important thing for him was playing exciting football which also put me off. We might as well as become the football equivalent of the Harlem Globetrotters if that's the case.

Is English your first language?
He talked about winning titles , didn't even mention top 4. He said its important to build sustained success rather than a quick trophy. He said its important to have a style that the fans can get behind too.

No idea how you came to your conclusion.

 

[Klinsmannesque]

What I got from that was there will be a continuation of the same priorities i.e. finish top 4 and the cups aren't important.

Also it seemed to me the most important thing for him was playing exciting football which also put me off. We might as well as become the football equivalent of the Harlem Globetrotters if that's the case.

What I got was lay all the right foundations and success would follow

I loved Poch of course but already feel a bigger connection to him than anyone in my 37 years of support, incredible impact so far.

 

[PLTuck]

2 things stand out for me from the talksport interview.

1. He came with his, and the hierarchies eyes wide open. He was clear on the things he won't compromise on and we hired him accepting that, and he knew full well the challenge it would be and has accepted ownership of it. He's clearly woo'ed the board as much as he has everyone else.

2. He doesn't want to do what countless other clubs, and us have done. Win a domestic cup and then do nothing for 15 years. He considers success as having the club in a position where we can challenge for honours every year, not just a 1 off trophy.

 

[Gassin's finest]

What I got from that was there will be a continuation of the same priorities i.e. finish top 4 and the cups aren't important.

Also it seemed to me the most important thing for him was playing exciting football which also put me off. We might as well as become the football equivalent of the Harlem Globetrotters if that's the case.

Because boring, pragmatic football has been soooooo successful and entertaining this last 4 years, hasn't it?

 

[glacierSpurs]

Winning games is his ultimate aim. If we keep winning all the games we have, how is that not winning silverware as a result? He's the one with the clearest vision, looking the furthest ahead.

 

[alfie103]

2 things stand out for me from the talksport interview.

1. He came with his, and the hierarchies eyes wide open. He was clear on the things he won't compromise on and we hired him accepting that, and he knew full well the challenge it would be and has accepted ownership of it. He's clearly woo'ed the board as much as he has everyone else.

2. He doesn't want to do what countless other clubs, and us have done. Win a domestic cup and then do nothing for 15 years. He considers success as having the club in a position where we can challenge for honours every year, not just a 1 off trophy.

Frankly that sounds quite similar to finishing in the CL places. Not really interested in that because we aren't going to push on from there.

 

[Nick-TopSpursMan]

I see people missing the point. Ange isn’t saying he doesn’t want to win. He is simply prioritizing the process that goes into winning. The work, dedication and sacrifice needed on the training pitch and games and the process that goes into playing football the right way, an exciting way. When you excel at that process then the winning will come. If you go into something brand new saying we are going to win this cup or competition, you lose the site of the process and creating the culture needed to get to that end result.

It's like some people still don't realise there are no shortcuts to silverware and success. They have learnt nothing from the Mourinho-Nuno-Conte disaster era.

Your post is absolutely spot on and should be pinned.

 

[alfie103]

I see people missing the point. Ange isn’t saying he doesn’t want to win. He is simply prioritizing the process that goes into winning. The work, dedication and sacrifice needed on the training pitch and games and the process that goes into playing football the right way, an exciting way. When you excel at that process then the winning will come. If you go into something brand new saying we are going to win this cup or competition, you lose the site of the process and creating the culture needed to get to that end result.

Is the process Ange is advocating going to automatically lead to winning? From what you have written, it sounds like it will. Plus there isn't a 'right' way to play football.

 

[Rosco1984]

Is the process Ange is advocating going to automatically lead to winning? From what you have written, it sounds like it will. Plus there isn't a 'right' way to play football.

did you enjoy the last four years more than the last 4 matches? because thats what you get if you appoint a win now at all costs manager without oil money... you still dont win and you get miserable soul destroying football to watch. If you want to win every trophy from the moment a manager joins you should support City, PSG, Madrid or Munich.

 

[aliyid]

Frankly that sounds quite similar to finishing in the CL places. Not really interested in that because we aren't going to push on from there.

If you're after promises of guaranteed success straight away from a standing start then you need to switch your focus away from following professional sport to computer games or watching films.

You need to set those building blocks in place first, build the belief into players and the fanbase so that any small missteps or challenges don't derail the momentum but strengthen belief in the wider system. Anyone can get a lucky cup run or play well when their confidence is high but taking away that 'fear of failure' and giving people the freedom to express themselves without having to second guess what will happen if you go wrong is huge.

 

[SpursSince1980]

What I got from that was there will be a continuation of the same priorities i.e. finish top 4 and the cups aren't important.

Also it seemed to me the most important thing for him was playing exciting football which also put me off. We might as well as become the football equivalent of the Harlem Globetrotters if that's the case.

This is sports psychology 101. He is trying to change the environment first. We have been mired in a culture of mediocrity for decades. You can’t go from that to ‘let’s win everything’ overnight. It’s a process. One that requires deliberate patience and commitment. No distractions. If he publicly and privately puts pressure on players to win it all now, it will have an adverse effect. As they will be fixated on the results from the offset. That can lead to a culture of fear.

Instead, he needs them focused on evolving how they play. The rest will follow. I am genuinely surprised that you interpreted his words as generalized ambivalence.

 

[alfie103]

That's your big takeaway?

Yeah it was, he spoke well but most of it was just fairly generic new manager talk. I don't really care if the manager is a nice bloke or speaks well in public, I care about Tottenham doing well and trying to win trophies.

Frankly, there seems to be a bit of a weird cult of personality on here with him.

 

[alfie103]

Is English your first language?
He talked about winning titles , didn't even mention top 4. He said its important to build sustained success rather than a quick trophy. He said its important to have a style that the fans can get behind too.

No idea how you came to your conclusion.

'Sustained success' is just a vague buzzword. What does it entail?

 

[Sp3akerboxxx]

Where did he say that? His comments are more about creating an environment which removes fear of failure.

Most high performing organisations are not results driven, as results are a byproduct of culture and effort.

The key is to focus on what gets results, not the results themselves.

Bayern, Madrid, Barcelona, PSG, are all very, very, results driven.

 

[Timbo Tottenham]

'Sustained success' is just a vague buzzword. What does it entail?

When the destination can’t be guaranteed, can’t we still enjoy the journey along the way?

You seem to be unnecessarily negative about Ange, when isn’t it best to back him with your support, especially as the very early signs have been positive?