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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...-Theres-dull-moment-Harry-Redknapps-game.html

Any reservations about the prospect of Harry Redknapp becoming England manager would be purely selfish ones. Put simply, we will miss him if he goes.
We will miss watching his football every week, we will miss its freewheeling style and the element of risk. English club football needs more bosses like Redknapp throwing caution to the wind. Make the most of him because if he succeeds Fabio Capello, the Premier League will lose a little of its shine.



Tottenham Hotspur are good for roughly 50 matches each season, while England play about 10 and half are friendlies. That is a lot of entertainment value gone astray.

Redknapp sends his team out to go hammer and tongs at supposedly superior opponents, and we all enjoy the view. There are very few dull moments at White Hart Lane these days, and that is the work of the manager.

Redknapp has tapped into the traditions of Tottenham, which mirror his instincts as a coach. Martin Jol came very close to qualifying for the Champions League, but never put it up to his biggest rivals the way Tottenham do now.




Whatever this season holds for the club, the football has not been as good as this for a long time. Spurs are the most welcome addition to the highest echelons of the Premier League since Kevin Keegan's Newcastle United (the first incarnation, not its bastard offspring).

Manchester City's time at the top may last longer but, right now, Tottenham are more fun to have around. They bring out the best in others, too, the free-spirited end-to-end play of the first-half here inspiring Chelsea to a second-half display that constituted a revival of sorts, even if this is now their longest run of Premier League games without a win since 1999 when Gianluca Vialli was in charge.

Carlo Ancelotti, the Chelsea manager, admitted he sent his team out to play Tottenham on the counter attack - this was why Nicolas Anelka was preferred to Didier Drogba from the start - but was forced to change tack when Tottenham's attacking commitment resulted in a 15th-minute goal.

Other teams may have tried to play Chelsea at their own game, cat and mouse. Tottenham preferred to rush them with wing play, two strikers and the invention of Luka Modric in central midfield.

Redknapp's methods are simple: he produces teams that play the football he likes to watch. Maybe he will one day produce an England team in that fashion, too - but it won't be on show every week, as Tottenham are, more is the pity.


'I've got good wide men, so I play them,' was Redknapp's simple explanation of Tottenham's style. 'I want to play Gareth Bale, I want to play Aaron Lennon, and I want to play two front men because when the wingers are pulling everybody out of position, there are going to be bigger spaces for the strikers to use.
'I like playing this way and I won't be changing. I enjoy watching open football, so I enjoy watching my teams play. I'd rather be going home on Saturday night knowing that at least we gave it a go. I'd hate drawing 0-0 or losing 1-0 and knowing that we never really went for it. I think we can hurt anybody with our style and that is what I tell the players before every game. I was still saying it at half-time here. The last thing I wanted us to do was try to defend a 1-0 lead.'



Yet that was Tottenham's mistake. They showed Chelsea a little too much respect after half-time, defended too deep. They would have been better not changing a thing, letting Bale tear into Paulo Ferreira the way he did Maicon of Inter Milan.

Perhaps the half-time introduction of Drogba rattled them. Chelsea looked considerably more dangerous once he arrived and, whatever Ancelotti thinks of Anelka's superior pace, there is nothing quite like a beating from Drogba to unsettle a defender, as Michael Dawson discovered after 70 minutes. He bounced off the Ivory Coast striker in the air and, in a flash, the ball was in the net.
If Chelsea's season does turn from here, that will be the catalyst for the change in direction. Drogba is such an awkward customer, inspiring and infuriating in equal measure. His goal was brilliant, its aftermath pure arrogance. Having scored, he walked slowly across the pitch and paraded before the Chelsea supporters, with no hint of celebration.




He is said to have attracted a negative reaction in some of Chelsea's recent matches and here was his answer. Perhaps a finer response would have been to score more than two goals in the league since October 3; or to have scored the injury-time penalty that would have won the game.

He is a magnificent player, but not always a team player, in that he rarely places the needs of his colleagues before his emotions. His injury-time dismissal in the 2008 Champions League final with Manchester United - when the game was clearly going to penalties, and he would be among the five takers - was the most dramatic example of that failing, but yesterday's performance had similarities.

If Drogba thought less about scoring points and more about collecting them, he might have struck a better spot-kick than the one saved by Heurelho Gomes. It was not near enough to the corner and pitched at the perfect height for a diving save. Maybe he was already planning the strut that would follow. He did not get to walk the walk, or talk the talk, but instead ended up apologising to the fans at the final whistle using sign language. This is too much palaver to be healthy. Better to be entertained by the football rather than the soap opera, which is where Tottenham continue to score over Chelsea, even if they trail them in the league table.


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Zammo

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He's not wrong. Everyone talking about Spurs at work today, and I'm the only Yid!

At this rate we'll end up being everyone's second team.
 

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In an ideal world I'd rather we were admired for being good but I'd rather we were hated for being ruthlessly efficient, than adored for providing slapstick entertainment.
 

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Depends on what you mean by "ruthlessly efficient" and what you mean by "slapstick entertainment".

'Ruthlessly efficient' = Holding off Chelsea, killing the tempo of the game and keeping a clean sheet.

'Slapstick entertainment' = Our players running themselves so ragged in attack that when Chelsea break, our players can only walk back.

I don't see that article as particularly pleasant to read. It is all well and good being told we play fantastic attacking football, but we are like a Kamikaze pilot at the moment. We were better last year, not as much fun to watch, but I would guess more successful than we will this year.
 

mil1lion

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I dont think the style is a big problem at all. We work extremely hard without the ball and earn the right to play that way. Bale and Lennon are 2 of the hardest working wingers you could wish to find, while Modric does a hell of a lot of work in the middle. I just think the goals conceded have largely come down to an unsettled back 4. Last season we played similar football but we had a settled back 4. We still had plenty of attacking options and were successful with it. The only difference now is we have 2 natural wingers rather than Kranjcar in from the left (although that changed in the 2nd half of the season when Bale emerged on the left and we played a number of games with Bale and Bentley out wide) so we're naturally wider now. But that opens up the opposition just as much as it does us.

The key for me is having Dawson back in defence.
 

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Workrate is not the problem (except in case of Defoe/Pav - problem that I hope will be solved in January). Some of our players have insane workrate.

It's some poor decision making and lack of synchronized team pressing that exposes the fact that this team is not properly coached and drilled.

Fergie's great 4-4-2 United side was also full of speed, attacking talent, crazy tempo and all out attack attitude. But they were a cohesive team with a gameplan.
 

Mr Pink

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I dont think the style is a big problem at all. We work extremely hard without the ball and earn the right to play that way. Bale and Lennon are 2 of the hardest working wingers you could wish to find, while Modric does a hell of a lot of work in the middle. I just think the goals conceded have largely come down to an unsettled back 4. Last season we played similar football but we had a settled back 4. We still had plenty of attacking options and were successful with it. The only difference now is we have 2 natural wingers rather than Kranjcar in from the left (although that changed in the 2nd half of the season when Bale emerged on the left and we played a number of games with Bale and Bentley out wide) so we're naturally wider now. But that opens up the opposition just as much as it does us.

The key for me is having Dawson back in defence.

Nail on head. You only have to look at the stats to see that City are ahead of us because of less goals conceded...we have scored more, albeit only one more goal but they have conceded 7 or 8 goals less.

A constant flow of injuries, particularly at the back, have cost us finding any sort of stability and rythm from a defensive point of view.

When we stop leaking so many goals our League position will improve.
 

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But we didn't play similar football at all for the majority of last season. We had Palacios and Huddelstone protecting the back four with Modric left. Modric used to play inside a lot and see more of the Ball than Hudd or Palacios and even as a LM saw the ball probably double Lennon and Bale combined per game (add to that that Lennon was out a lot and we played Kranjcar as well at times and that is a much more solid, efficient midfield).

Compare that to what we have played this season where Modric has played CM every game, we have had Bale on the left and Lennon on the right.

Bale (particularly) and Lennon aren't particularly conducive to coherent, controlled possession football. Neither see much of the ball when not flying down the wing (Yesterday I think Bale made something like 15 passes) and neither are particularly good and pressing the ball (especially Bale).

Trifon's assessment was spot on. We don't press the ball until it's reached our penalty box or Palacios, whichever comes sooner. I've noticed, even in games where we have a good share of possession, we are often inferior in terms of territory, which has been the case in our last 4 EPL games for example.

What people don't seem to be able to get, is that being better organised off the ball, and pressing the ball better all over the pitch doesn't mean you are less attacking - Barca are superb at this, and all great teams basically do this - it just means you are less vulnerable. It also means you have to work harder off the ball and be extremely well drilled.

What we are playing is devoid of any meaningful, coherent tactics. It's like playground football.
 

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We're certainly not slapstick entertainment but I do think there is a happy medium between our current gaping hole wide open approach and the Blackburn/Stoke's of this world. It doesn't mean playing more cautios, unambitious and less entertaining football it means playing with a bit more brains, more craft and a bit more aggression.

We are so direct, we pile players forward time after time and this inevitably means that we will surrender possession more often than a team with a more methodical, patient, approach which in turn means we spend a lot of our energy on winning the ball back and then piling forward once more - yesterday was a classic example, where the game was so stretched even after 30 minutes and thankfully Chelsea were pretty terrible in the final third. Yesterday Chelse made nearly 600 passes, us 350. Of course that's just a naked statistic, but it's part of a trend that we get outpassed by a lot of teams - even Inter when we smashed them 3-1. When we get our direct football going we are phenomenal, but we need to learn how to be patient, to probe defences, especially those teams that come to only defend at WHL and in games such as yesterday to relieve pressure on ourselves by slowing the game down and asserting control. This works twofold because the more you have the oppo chasing us around the more they tire themselves out and we can then find gaps for our dynamic direct play, and we also aren't knackering ourselves out. Even a team of supreme athletes like us can't do that for 90 minutes and we did look a little ragged yesterday - the more we control the ball patiently and move it around the more energy we have to do the dirty stuff, the pressing, tackling, chasing.
 

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BC is absolutely right, for most of last season we didn't play with two out and out wingers. When Lennon and Bale do get the ball, it is boom or bust football. If it is boom, it is spectacular, but if it is bust, the move breaks down or they get disposed and then there is too much pressure upon the CM to get the ball back.

I personally don't accept the idea of unsettled back four, although it obviously helps, but last season we didnt really have a settled back four, with King rotating in and out, we are never going to get a settled back four anyway.

The way we play, the ball is lost too often. Work rate etc makes little different, it is about ball retention. When you have the ball, the oppo cannot create a thing, and we are not good at retaining the ball - not because our players aren't capable, but because we aren't set up for it. If you keep giving the ball back time and time again, even against mediocre teams, they will eventually make chances.

If you look at our possession yesterday, it was 40-60 in Chelsea's favour - how many other times have you seen Man U, Chelsea or Arsenal have only 40% at home? Yesterday, when we took possession, we rarely looked to hold the ball and relieve pressure, we simply gave the ball to Bale, Lennon or Modric and everyone bombed on.

The comparison to Barce was spot on, they are just as attacking as us, but they have a balanced midfield who retain the ball and relieve pressure from the back four, for the simple reason the oppo don't see much of the ball.

It is fantastic 'Spurs' football, but it ain't Champions football.

I don't want to be a miserable ****, I love Spurs so much, but I'm concerned. This isn't the way title challengers play. Ultimately we will come up against a fine defensive side and whilst we won't be able to score, their side will. We will also have days when things don't click up front, poor striking, Bale off form, whatever and whilst we struggle, the other side will nick a goal.
 

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We're certainly not slapstick entertainment but I do think there is a happy medium between our current gaping hole wide open approach and the Blackburn/Stoke's of this world. It doesn't mean playing more cautios, unambitious and less entertaining football it means playing with a bit more brains, more craft and a bit more aggression.

We are so direct, we pile players forward time after time and this inevitably means that we will surrender possession more often than a team with a more methodical, patient, approach which in turn means we spend a lot of our energy on winning the ball back and then piling forward once more - yesterday was a classic example, where the game was so stretched even after 30 minutes and thankfully Chelsea were pretty terrible in the final third. Yesterday Chelse made nearly 600 passes, us 350. Of course that's just a naked statistic, but it's part of a trend that we get outpassed by a lot of teams - even Inter when we smashed them 3-1. When we get our direct football going we are phenomenal, but we need to learn how to be patient, to probe defences, especially those teams that come to only defend at WHL and in games such as yesterday to relieve pressure on ourselves by slowing the game down and asserting control. This works twofold because the more you have the oppo chasing us around the more they tire themselves out and we can then find gaps for our dynamic direct play, and we also aren't knackering ourselves out. Even a team of supreme athletes like us can't do that for 90 minutes and we did look a little ragged yesterday - the more we control the ball patiently and move it around the more energy we have to do the dirty stuff, the pressing, tackling, chasing.

Spot on - as you know I have argued a similar thing on here.
 

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I really hate this guy, I've not read the article but even if its complimentary it doesnt change the fact he is a nob jockey
 

Mr Pink

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The reason why Barca are so effective at pressing the ball is because they have the energy to do so throughout an entire game. They have the energy because they keep the ball so well...letting it do the work. They dont have to chase as much as the opposition because they have it more...furthermore the opposition are knackered trying to get it back all the time which only compounds the issue further.

The ability to hold the ball and retain it is massive and only makes your pressing more effective as a result.

Ideally we want to keep hold of the ball better and tire out the opposition from chasing to get it back...when we dont have it we need to press harder starting at the top of the pitch - and if we are keeping hold of the ball better we should have more energy to do this effectively.
 

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The reason why Barca are so effective at pressing the ball is because they have the energy to do so throughout an entire game.
It's not about energy. It's the fact they are technically superb that allows them to retain the ball, but most importantly, they are very coherent, tactically aware and thoroughly drilled unit. Like all great teams are, more or less. The moment they lose the ball they get into right positions and start to press with an evident automatism.

We don't have it at all. It's a shame because we have a fantastic squad. This current approach has entertainment value, but it won't get us into winning things. And we have talent for it, for the first time in ages.
 

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The reason why Barca are so effective at pressing the ball is because they have the energy to do so throughout an entire game. They have the energy because they keep the ball so well...letting it do the work. They dont have to chase as much as the opposition because they have it more...furthermore the opposition are knackered trying to get it back all the time which only compounds the issue further.

The ability to hold the ball and retain it is massive and only makes your pressing more effective as a result.

Ideally we want to keep hold of the ball better and tire out the opposition from chasing to get it back...when we dont have it we need to press harder starting at the top of the pitch - and if we are keeping hold of the ball better we should have more energy to do this effectively.



This is all about coaching, and conditioning players. Forget Barca, this is the basic principle any very good side anywhere in the world applies. Keep the ball, and when you lose it get it back as quickly as possible. Forget Arsenal, Chelsea, Bayern, or Milan or any of the giants, go watch Blackpool or Bolton. You telling me they have better players than us ?

It takes coaching and physical and mental conditioning to get players to work constantly on and off the ball when in possession or out of it.

What we are playing now is just fucking lazy coaching. Stick players out there with not even basic tactics, just slug it out and hope you score more than them.
 

ShelfSide18

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It's not about energy. It's the fact they technically superb which allows them to retain the ball, but most importantly, they are very coherent, tactically aware and thoroughly drilled unit. Like all great teams are, more or less. The moment they lose the ball they get into right positions and start to press with an evident automatism.

We don't have it at all. It's a shame because we have a fantastic squad. This current approach has entertainment value, but it won't get us into winning things. And we have talent for it, for the first time in ages.

It is about energy to a certain extent, the more we have the ball the more control, more organised we will be and from there you can press the ball high up the pitch like we should be doing. As soon as we get that into place the rest will fall in nicely, I'm sure of it. As I said, we are so direct but we need to learn when to be direct, and when to probe patiently when the oppo has 10 men behind the ball.

We are also a young squad, which means we will be naive, and seem a little 'incoherent' at times, but it is a work in progress so inevitably we are going to switch off sometimes - but we have the quality at our disposal too push on and become a really top drawer team.

In the meantime, not being a battle weary Spurs fan like some on here, I'm enjoying the ride at the moment, even if we do eventualy fall off.
 

trifon

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BC is right, you don't have to look at Barca. It is becoming evident that the most important aspect of the modern game of football is being ignored and overlooked by our coaching staff. Whicj is shame beacuse talent wise this team is capable of really big things. But with this approach, we won't get any higher than 4th spot, no matter how much talent, energy, freshness and will we invest.
 
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