Mentality and Excuses

[Archibald&Crooks]

I would love to have that optimism. But how many games after the man city one did we really see the team had a very convincing game? We can omit games in the CL, or against the gooners (which we actually did better), for people may say we are not expected to beat anyone 3 goals or more, much less the better team.. But against WBA, Bournemouth, even Leicester who had not gotten an away point gotten one from us, these are the teams we should have some wary, but not to the extend we were so uninspiring against them.

Having the mentality to not lose games is good, but not having the mentality to push on and win against clubs we should be winning, especially games after games of draws, will always see us being the outsider to crash the top-4. It always will be. Some may say a drop in form happens. But man city recovers sooner than later, while we only had one win in 10 games, does this not say something about our mentality?

Having an unbeaten record IMO was a good excuse for Poch and the team to keep saying they will carrying on to fight, but we see no good results. Good performance can only sustain the spirit and morale for so long until the results cannot justify the good performance anymore, the good performance will drop altogether. And that happened on Saturday, losing the shell of unbeaten record they so like to hark on.

I really hope being just having a "first lost of the season" is not another excuse Poch and the team use to deflect away next wave of criticisms if performance do not pick up...

I honestly can't square this at all. How does being 'convincing' have anything to do with mentality, you play well, you play poorly, that's it. And how does lacking this mentality mean we won't finish top 4 when that's exactly what we did last season?

I fully expect someone to trot out the 'other clubs didn't perform' line but again if that's the case then they surely lack it too? I think this whole mentality thing is being blown out of all proportion, there are valid reasons for things and there are also valid concerns and it seems to me that anything one says that's even remotely positive or hopeful is being lumped as an 'excuse'.....If anyones mentality needs questioning, its ours.

 

[Shadydan]

I honestly can't square this at all. How does being 'convincing' have anything to do with mentality, you play well, you play poorly, that's it. And how does lacking this mentality mean we won't finish top 4 when that's exactly what we did last season?

I fully expect someone to trot out the 'other clubs didn't perform' line but again if that's the case then they surely lack it too? I think this whole mentality thing is being blown out of all proportion, there are valid reasons for things and there are also valid concerns and it seems to me that anything one says that's even remotely positive or hopeful is being lumped as an 'excuse'.....If anyones mentality needs questioning, its ours.

Truth bomb.

 

[Gassin's finest]

I would love to have that optimism. But how many games after the man city one did we really see the team had a very convincing game? We can omit games in the CL, or against the gooners (which we actually did better), for people may say we are not expected to beat anyone 3 goals or more, much less the better team.. But against WBA, Bournemouth, even Leicester who had not gotten an away point gotten one from us, these are the teams we should have some wary, but not to the extend we were so uninspiring against them.

Having the mentality to not lose games is good, but not having the mentality to push on and win against clubs we should be winning, especially games after games of draws, will always see us being the outsider to crash the top-4. It always will be. Some may say a drop in form happens. But man city recovers sooner than later, while we only had one win in 10 games, does this not say something about our mentality?

Having an unbeaten record IMO was a good excuse for Poch and the team to keep saying they will carrying on to fight, but we see no good results. Good performance can only sustain the spirit and morale for so long until the results cannot justify the good performance anymore, the good performance will drop altogether. And that happened on Saturday, losing the shell of unbeaten record they so like to hark on.

I really hope being just having a "first lost of the season" is not another excuse Poch and the team use to deflect away next wave of criticisms if performance do not pick up...

I honestly can't square this at all. How does being 'convincing' have anything to do with mentality, you play well, you play poorly, that's it. And how does lacking this mentality mean we won't finish top 4 when that's exactly what we did last season?

I fully expect someone to trot out the 'other clubs didn't perform' line but again if that's the case then they surely lack it too? I think this whole mentality thing is being blown out of all proportion, there are valid reasons for things and there are also valid concerns and it seems to me that anything one says that's even remotely positive or hopeful is being lumped as an 'excuse'.....If anyones mentality needs questioning, its ours.

What he said...

 

[glacierSpurs]

http://www.skysports.com/watch/vide...er-league/10692614/pochettino-looking-forward

How hard it is to play Old Trafford like now?? They haven't had a win since September ffs..

Not sure if the lads knew a win today will put us up at 4th, overtaking city.. Whenever we had the chance to overtake a significant rival in the standings, we never took the chance it seems.. Hardly beliefs from the lads at all fuck!

 

[stevenurse]

http://www.skysports.com/watch/vide...er-league/10692614/pochettino-looking-forward

How hard it is to play Old Trafford like now?? They haven't had a win since September ffs..

Not sure if the lads knew a win today will put us up at 4th, overtaking city.. Whenever we had the chance to overtake a significant rival in the standings, we never took the chance it seems.. Hardly beliefs from the lads at all fuck!

I was going to make this same point. I'm certainly not doom and gloom about today, but we didn't turn up and didn't deserve to win. It happens. We have 4 very winnable games coming up which are crucial.

The point is though that it's true we never really pull off a result in a real crunch match. If it's during the title challenge, a top 4 charge or just looking to close/extend the gaps on our big rivals. This sadly is why we always seem to be the bridesmaids.

 

[dagraham]

I was going to make this same point. I'm certainly not doom and gloom about today, but we didn't turn up and didn't deserve to win. It happens. We have 4 very winnable games coming up which are crucial.

The point is though that it's true we never really pull off a result in a real crunch match. If it's during the title challenge, a top 4 charge or just looking to close/extend the gaps on our big rivals. This sadly is why we always seem to be the bridesmaids.

We haven't really done it since the season under Harry where we finished strongly and beat Arsenal, Chelsea and City at the back end of the season.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

Anybody not a little bit concerned about only 3 wins in all competitions in two months really is full of excuses and no facts.

 

[shelfboy68]

I was going to make this same point. I'm certainly not doom and gloom about today, but we didn't turn up and didn't deserve to win. It happens. We have 4 very winnable games coming up which are crucial.

The point is though that it's true we never really pull off a result in a real crunch match. If it's during the title challenge, a top 4 charge or just looking to close/extend the gaps on our big rivals. This sadly is why we always seem to be the bridesmaids.

Sadly that's the way it is for us good but never good enough.

 

[Hazardousman]

Anybody not a little bit concerned about only 3 wins in all competitions in two months really is full of excuses and no facts.

Sums my feelings up as well, but the more worrying thing is the performances in those results as well.

 

[panoma]

Soon we get to add the "drain of the europe league" to our list of excuses. Shame that didn't stop United today.

 

[knowlespurs]

ideal time to play a very average man u team
created very little, disappointed that poch was so matter of fact about the defeat
mentality seems different and worse this year, we have played 7 games against the top 9 and won just one of them

 

[shelfboy68]

ideal time to play a very average man u team
created very little, disappointed that poch was so matter of fact about the defeat
mentality seems different and worse this year, we have played 7 games against the top 9 and won just one of them

Maybe Poch's attitude was just accepting our place in the football pyramid which is we can't/won't win the league and may struggle to get top four.

 

[double0]

Sorry to offend but We are mentally weak as a club...I hope this new stadium and the stars aline for us.

We need a revolution ie stick with Pochettinho and systematically change our mentality we must confronted our downfalls.

 

[millsey]

ideal time to play a very average man u team
created very little, disappointed that poch was so matter of fact about the defeat
mentality seems different and worse this year, we have played 7 games against the top 9 and won just one of them

No they had just started to hit form and now have Mikatarian which they hadn't had all season. Typically we play them at the wrong time again

 

[Wheeler Dealer]

Expectations v reality are poles apart and have been for years. Even with the promise of last season and the odd flourish under Redknapp, we always seem incapable of consistently competing with our peers.. You can put this down to lack of self belief, investment, coaching, mentality and many more factors, but our predicament probably contains many of the aforementioned factors and more

 

[millsey]

I honestly can't square this at all. How does being 'convincing' have anything to do with mentality, you play well, you play poorly, that's it. And how does lacking this mentality mean we won't finish top 4 when that's exactly what we did last season?

I fully expect someone to trot out the 'other clubs didn't perform' line but again if that's the case then they surely lack it too? I think this whole mentality thing is being blown out of all proportion, there are valid reasons for things and there are also valid concerns and it seems to me that anything one says that's even remotely positive or hopeful is being lumped as an 'excuse'.....If anyones mentality needs questioning, its ours.

So on the money

 

[WiganSpur]

I don't buy the whole mentality thing at the moment, let's be honest this wasn't a Newcastle away.

We are far from a disaster defensively but we are just lacking quality and balance in the midfield and forward areas. We are just in need of a couple of intelligent and more technical players to transform us. The first problem is that Lamela is missing and he is one of our more technical players. I actually think Winks, Onomah and Edwards could go some way to helping us with some of our current issues. Poch needs to start using them ahead of the likes of Dembele, Alli, Son etc. Alternatively we need to look at the transfer market. The three kids are comfortable enough on the ball though and will perform imo if given time and the opportunity.

Poch is just at a bit of a crossroads where he needs to start making some big decisions. We can't continue with this current system with these players.

 

[CowInAComa]

Tiny little bollocks syndrome.

Scared of losing, scared of winning.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

I don't buy the whole mentality thing at the moment, let's be honest this wasn't a Newcastle away.

After which Poch said he'd root out a few. I'm glad you mentioned it because it had slipped my mind. If you look at who left in the summer, i'm not sure that for one reason or another that it actually happened.

Oh I dunno, its easy I suppose, given the complaints a lot of us have, to see things that aren't there, so who knows if there's anything to it? Its another threory/guess in a sea of guesses.

 

[beats1]

After which Poch said he'd root out a few. I'm glad you mentioned it because it had slipped my mind. If you look at who left in the summer, i'm not sure that for one reason or another that it actually happened.

Oh I dunno, its easy I suppose, given the complaints a lot of us have, to see things that aren't there, so who knows if there's anything to it? Its another threory/guess in a sea of guesses.

Yea but who would he get rid of?

The team that lost to Newcastle was our best team bar Mason, Davies the subs. We didnt lose the match because of the subs.