Next Manager Watch

[muel]

Still far too early in their careers for me. Let them make their mistakes elsewhere, Gerrard and Lampard are perfect examples of managers who came to the Prem too early. Kompany got schooled by Pep yesterday.

I think Lampard is just crap and got 3 jobs based on playing reputation.

Gerrard only did well with Michael Beale doing the coaching and also benefited from playing reputation to a degree.

Carrick and Kompany from a potential standpoint seem on another level to those 2

 

[southlondonyiddo]

Poch wanted out.

Only once he knew Levy wasn’t willing to back him because it was too costly

 

[Spursmatty87]

Only once he knew Levy wasn’t willing to back him because it was too costly

The problem is it wouldn’t have been costly for so many reasons.

 

[cjsimba]

I don't think Poch had the energy to go through the painful rebuild at the time. He looked exhausted after the CL final and definitely needed a break from the club,

How does one go about getting this 'break from the club'. Sounds lovely

 

[For the love of Spurs]

I don't think Poch had the energy to go through the painful rebuild at the time. He looked exhausted after the CL final and definitely needed a break from the club,

to be fair wouldn’t you need a break after busting you gut for 5 years under Levy.

 

[Timberwolf]

Amazing how quickly people forget the great work poch did at Southampton and for us.

He was once a sought after , hungry young talented manager the only thing that changed was we sacked him for a bad spell

easiest decision every to bring him back

Don't think many people have forgotten how good Poch was but it's not 16/17 anymore and Poch, Spurs and the tactics of the PL have all changed since then.

If we do bring Poch back you're in for a rude awakening if you think we're suddenly going to revert back to how we looked under him at our peak 6 years ago. If it was that simple I think every Spurs fan would have him back in a heartbeat, but sadly it's not.

Still a great manager and if he does come back I'll be excited and hopeful, but you can't just roll back the clock. Poch mk 2 would never meet fan expectations IMO and we'd be better off having a fresh start under someone with new ideas.

 

[wrd]

Other upsides to Amorim.

+ Walked into an absolute mess of a bloated squad with a mix average players and old players like Wendel, Vietto, Battaglia and Acuna. They had just lost Bruno Fernandes too who was basically Sporting's only reliable player. He sold all of these and wiped the slate clean.

+ Fully trusts youth players, he does not hesitate in putting them in as soon as he walks in the door.

+ Replacing from within. If Spurs were to lose Kane, Im certain he'd give Scarlett and Lankshear as much chances as possible.

+ Uses a fluid front three, so again, if we lost Kane he'd work around it quite well.

+ Has a fantastic relationship with his players and his younger players love him for giving them chances.

+ He always takes blame for defeats and takes any pressure from young players.

+ He is adaptable and resourceful so will always look for solutions in the squad without shoehorning players in.

+ His assistant coach - Carlos Fernandes - is superb on the training ground and is very refreshing in this respect. He's only 28 but has 10 years of coaching behind him.

+ He spent his first summer recalling players who had been loaned out like Palhinha and Reis.
Then raiding talents from smaller Portuguese clubs like Paulinho, Nuno Santos, Pedro Goncalves whilst promoting players like Inacio and Tiago Tomas.

All of these players became major players for them.


He fits what we are looking for by a lot of metrics and I can certainly see him fitting at the club.

He won't kick off if players are sold and if the club decide to buy a bunch of young talents that he didn't ask for, he would still use them and find use for them.

Awesome post, have we been linked at all? I've not seen any news.

 

[Timberwolf]

Awesome post, have we been linked at all? I've not seen any news.

He's definitely one of the names journos regularly put in the list of 5-6 top candidates and I'm sure I've read that "Paratici is a fan" in an article of two. There seem to be at least 2 or 3 other names with more buzz around them though like Enrique, Poch, Di Zerbi.

 

[YB123]

The problem is it wouldn’t have been costly for so many reasons.

We will never know will we. But that just identifies Levy and the clubs issue in not supporting the manager.

If Poch got Bruno Fernandes in

If Mourinho got Ruben Dias or Skriniar for the extra and not the cheap option of Joe Rodon.

If we went big and got in Gvardiol or Bastoni instead of Lenglet.

I'm going to say we may have just been ok...

See who the problem is.....

 

[Whazam]

To me, the managers Levy has appointed (and Paratici with Nuno and Conte) since Poch is a far bigger crime than our business and lack of ambition in the transfer market. At least we've seen some attempts at changing our transfer strategy somewhat, even though it has not been enough and the priorities have been off.

But the appointments of Mou, Nuno, and Conte? In my opinion, they have truly exposed Levy for his shortcomings. Instead of genuinely assessing the situation, his tunnel vision has led him to appoint managers solely based on their status or, seemingly, handing off the decision to Paratici without any regard for the players' needs and what kind of club our fanbase wants us to be.

At the end of Poch's reign, it was so obvious everyone was completely drained. They all seemed to need someone to inspire them into believing we could take that final step of winning trophies instead of just reaching finals. Daniel Levy's move? To hire the one man in football who is most notoriously known for trying to trigger players into performing rather than motivating them. And now we've done the same mistake again with Conte.

One of the main arguments for both Mou and Conte has been that they are proven winners, and were thus brought in to instil that winner's mentality in the players. The problem is that both of them have treated our seemingly mentally fragile squads as underperforming winners, constantly calling them out for not being good enough and lacking the right mindset.

To me, that is extremely stupid. The very fear these players have needed to overcome have instead been hammered into them over and over again as a truth. It's extremely incompetent from Mou, from Conte, and even more so from Levy for thinking these men would be some magic solution to actual problems. You don't even need a basic understanding of psychology to understand that constantly reaffirming a fear or flaw is not the way to get rid of them. How have all these people in charge (from the managers up to Levy) failed to see this?

I guess my point with all this is, I would feel sort of optimistic with either one of Amorin, Ange, Gallardo, ord Di Zerbi, since they all seem to be either enthusiastic and positive, or excelling in man-management.

 

[Whazam]

We will never know will we. But that just identifies Levy and the clubs issue in not supporting the manager.

If Poch got Bruno Fernandes in

If Mourinho got Ruben Dias or Skriniar for the extra and not the cheap option of Joe Rodon.

If we went big and got in Gvardiol or Bastoni instead of Lenglet.

I'm going to say we may have just been ok...

See who the problem is.....

Didn't Poch opt for Lo Celso instead of Bruno? And wasn't it Mourinho who didn't want Dias? Genuine questions btw. I'm sure this is what has been reported and said on here for years?

I get the Skriniar, Gvardiol, and Bastoni argument, but the last two (maybe even Skriniar?) seemed unattainable no matter what.

 

[YB123]

Didn't Poch opt for Lo Celso instead of Bruno? And wasn't it Mourinho who didn't want Dias? Genuine questions btw. I'm sure this is what has been reported and said on here for years?

I get the Skriniar, Gvardiol, and Bastoni argument, but the last two (maybe even Skriniar?) seemed unattainable no matter what.

Bruno has stated many times he was set for Spurs so Poch definitely wanted him, whatever is said in here. Its from the horses mouth.

Mourinho wanted Skriniar first, then Dias. Lets not even dispute that he'd want Rodon over Dias lol

Players are always attainable for a PL club, especially UCL club. Money will always talk. Its a kop out of an excuse.

 

[muel]

Just speaking personally. Every Manager appointment apart from Nuno I agreed with at the time (ironically Nuno was the only non Levy choice).

Santini, Jol, Ramos, Harry, AVB, Poch, Jose, Conte. All of them made sense at the time of being appointed.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing. Easy to criticise Levy and I’m sure most of the criticism has legitimacy, but I don’t think at the point the decisions were made that any stand out as being absolute dead rubbers. Maybe it’s just me

 

[Japhet]

Don't think many people have forgotten how good Poch was but it's not 16/17 anymore and Poch, Spurs and the tactics of the PL have all changed since then.

If we do bring Poch back you're in for a rude awakening if you think we're suddenly going to revert back to how we looked under him at our peak 6 years ago. If it was that simple I think every Spurs fan would have him back in a heartbeat, but sadly it's not.

Still a great manager and if he does come back I'll be excited and hopeful, but you can't just roll back the clock. Poch mk 2 would never meet fan expectations IMO and we'd be better off having a fresh start under someone with new ideas.

The huge question with Poch is 'does he have the ability to adapt?' I remember when the clock was winding down on him I said 'I don't want him to go but I do want him to change'. Everything had become stale, and much like Conte, he was doing the same stuff repeatedly with the same results. I'd like a coach who can spot problems and address them.

 

[SargeantMeatCurtains]

The huge question with Poch is 'does he have the ability to adapt?' I remember when the clock was winding down on him I said 'I don't want him to go but I do want him to change'. Everything had become stale, and much like Conte, he was doing the same stuff repeatedly with the same results. I'd like a coach who can spot problems and address them.

I do think Poch is adaptable. He seemed to chop and change our formation more than any other manager in recent history. Pretty sure he started with a 4-2-3-1, switched to a 3-5-2 when we signed Wanyama, moved back to a 4-2-3-1 then eventually we changed to that hideous 4-1-2-1-2 diamond that got him sacked.

 

[Ghost Hardware]

I like everything about Amorim expect his tactics. Not that I wholly dislike them, i don't, and he’s certainly a lot more adaptable and fluid than what we have had over recent seasons but I still find them a little reserved on occasion for my liking.

The game against Arsenal was a perfect example, the second half Sporting played some nice passing patterns and played round the press well but first half they played a lot of long balls that resulted in some disjointed attacks. I really really dislike long ball football these days, I know it can be useful and effective in certain circumstances but I’m still not a fan. Also from what I’ve seen his teams can struggle against opposition that sit deep and pack the box. Ive certainly seen games with lots of sideways passing around the box without much idea of how to break though other then a moment of individual brilliance. Also his teams have sometimes struggled when the opposition teams outnumber the midfield as he like's a double pivot, and that is always a risk no matter how good a team you have.

He is a lot better then what we currently have tho there is no doubt, he presses high for one which is essential in this day and age I feel. He also likes possession instead of sitting off like Conte which again is a much needed change. I wouldn't be against him and as I said there certainly things to really like about him for certain. But even so I really would prefer a greater shift to a more attacking manager and Amorim, despite his like for pressing high and keeping possession, would be more like a step in that direction rather then completely committing to the idea. I guess at this point I just want a complete change. Not that Amorim is in anyway rigid like Conte, he isn't, but overall he is more a balanced manager then some of the others we have been looking at. And I have to be honest, i'm not really a fan of 3 at the back formations as I just prefer to have that extra midfielder/attacker. I'm all for a manager to have it in their locker but i'm sort of done with it being our primary tactic. Personally i don't really think our team suits it ether and these days most attacking managers who play with a back 4 prefer their FB to be more like WB's and Porro/Udogie seems to be the main reasoning behind some suggesting we need to stick with a back 3.

Anyway, I like Amorim a lot and think he is a very exciting manager but I personally would prefer someone a little more attack minded. But I also wouldn't be completely against it ether.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

Bruno has stated many times he was set for Spurs so Poch definitely wanted him, whatever is said in here. Its from the horses mouth.

Mourinho wanted Skriniar first, then Dias. Lets not even dispute that he'd want Rodon over Dias lol

Players are always attainable for a PL club, especially UCL club. Money will always talk. Its a kop out of an excuse.

On this, it's true Jose wanted Skriniar but it was in the middle of a pandemic so we were always going to struggle to pay what Inter wanted. WLB said it was Jose who actually rejected Dias.

 

[YB123]

On this, it's true Jose wanted Skriniar but it was in the middle of a pandemic so we were always going to struggle to pay what Inter wanted. WLB said it was Jose who actually rejected Dias.

It was 8m euros more.....

 

[Japhet]

I do think Poch is adaptable. He seemed to chop and change our formation more than any other manager in recent history. Pretty sure he started with a 4-2-3-1, switched to a 3-5-2 when we signed Wanyama, moved back to a 4-2-3-1 then eventually we changed to that hideous 4-1-2-1-2 diamond that got him sacked.

Certainly a lot moreso than Conte. We've also got much better squad depth now whereas Poch had a first XI and very little else with zero backup for key players.

 

[Whazam]

Bruno has stated many times he was set for Spurs so Poch definitely wanted him, whatever is said in here. Its from the horses mouth.

Mourinho wanted Skriniar first, then Dias. Lets not even dispute that he'd want Rodon over Dias lol

Players are always attainable for a PL club, especially UCL club. Money will always talk. Its a kop out of an excuse.

I think it was very obvious we weren't going to buy both Lo Celso and Bruno, and Lo Celso was reported as Poch's preference for a long time (not just in here for what it is worth).

You could be correct in that Mou wanted Dias, but no one is saying he wanted Rodon over him. When Rodon was bought, Dias was already off to City, I think? The Skriniar deal on the other hand felt very much possible, without knowing any details.

That's a very simplistic view of a complex market, and it would only be true for us if we had no other clubs to compete with. Not necessarily trying to defend Levy's transfer philosophy here, but not sure if you picked the best of examples.