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[Archibald&Crooks]

I can only apologise for not having threads about the Liverpool game or Harry Kane, forcing you to post about those subjects in any thread you like

#shitforum

 

[Timberwolf]

Yeah I fucking hated getting 86 points and having the best attacking and defensive record in the keague. Getting to the CL final was a ball ache as well. Pointing out that a man who conspicuously wasn’t backed had a better win rate then Jose and the same as Conte even though they were showered with vastly more transfer backing is a very odd way of trying to denigrate his time here as well.

I understand the arguments for saying now isn’t the right time to bring Poch back, but this kind of snooty bullshit that suggests he was anything other than brilliant for us is just embarrassing. It went wrong at the end (because he wasn’t backed imo) but it’s the best years of watching spurs since the 80s, if not earlier. Right now I’d love more of that. I’m actually happy with any of the names being bandied about at the moment, but would love to see Poch back

Think the win-rate thing is a bit meaningless since Poch's first season was a building job with Mason and Bentaleb in midfield and his final season was with the embers of a fading team.

His win-rate from 15-16 to 17-18 was surely, by a distance, the best of any Spurs manager over an extended period.

Guy's an absolute legend and we should never forget what he did here or act like he didn't do an outstanding job. Would just personally prefer us to go in a different direction rather than trying to make magic happen twice.

 

[Tractorspur]

Yeah I fucking hated getting 86 points and having the best attacking and defensive record in the keague. Getting to the CL final was a ball ache as well. Pointing out that a man who conspicuously wasn’t backed had a better win rate then Jose and the same as Conte even though they were showered with vastly more transfer backing is a very odd way of trying to denigrate his time here as well.

I understand the arguments for saying now isn’t the right time to bring Poch back, but this kind of snooty bullshit that suggests he was anything other than brilliant for us is just embarrassing. It went wrong at the end (because he wasn’t backed imo) but it’s the best years of watching spurs since the 80s, if not earlier. Right now I’d love more of that. I’m actually happy with any of the names being bandied about at the moment, but would love to see Poch back

100% spot on. Especially the snooty bullshit part

 

[Ghost Hardware]

I’m probably not going to be able to watch it but for anyone who is maybe interested Feyernoord play mid table RKC Waalwijk at 7pm tonight. It’s probably one of their last slightly difficult league fixtures of the season although I expect them to win comfortably.

Also just to add this will be on Mola again which is free in the uk.

 

[mr ashley]

The last two games have shown nothing has changed. We’re still sitting back and inviting pressure onto our nervy defence. First game I almost accepted maybe time was short post international week, not much time to implement things, so it was just familiarity thing and change would come. But for the next game to be the same shows there is not change planned, just stubborn application of the same approach.
We’re now in even more of a mess, and the board are faced with a huge conundrum. Do they stick or twist. If they hold on, we’re going to continue this spiral downwards in confidence and it’ll take some serious rebuilding. Or do they change again and release the remainder of Conte’s staff. The concern now is yesterday prompts another knee jerk reaction and the board go for Poch as a quick fix to appease the fans. Short term it may give us a boost, but it feels he’s never really been the target, and going now would be taking the easy path not the right path. Yes, he’d probably give us a short term lift, but long term is it the right choice.
I do understand the delay on coach appointment if the favoured candidate is not available. Even Chelsea with all their money have had to appoint Lampard in the interim. It would be more reassuring to know we actually have someone lined up or at least strongly targeted off the back of an inclination they would come too.
Nagelsmann seems like the best fit from a point of view he’s recently been at an elite club and would bring that reputation that could get Kane to extend and also be attractive to signings, but also what he’s shown at RBL and Hoffenheim as a coach could translate to Spurs more comparatively than Bayern. But it feels we are not his preference, and no more than a backup option, which is kind of how it felt with Conte, here doing us a favour and not sustainable long term.
This leads us to the coaches on their way up, perhaps not the high end reputation some would hope, but ultimately more likely to actually want to come. Slot and Gallardo may just be a better all round fit. Perhaps not the big names to appease Kane etc, but that can’t be a deciding necessity, it’s just a ‘nice to have’ factor. Both have shown an ability to play football pleasing on the eye. Gallardo has been very successful at River, and showed an ability to rebuild his squad and stay competitive. Slot is starting to show that also, finished 5th the year before he joined, 3rd last year in his first season, but this season with 7 games to go they are 5 points clear at the top and have a game in hand. Also through to QF of Europa. All this despite losing €70m of talent last summer and spending only €35m on replacements, they have actually improved and progressed the squad.
Then you have Postecoglou, he seems to be gathering certain interest but I’m not sure I quite see it. He’s having success no doubt, but I expect that from Celtic. It’s a two horse league. What Slot and Gallardo have done, (or about to do) seems more competitive.
Same as Enrique doesn’t quite seem the answer for me. Big name, international coach, won things at Barca, but doesn’t seem comparable to our needs and position.

Nagelsmann, Slot or Gallardo for me. In any order. If we could do whatever is required to get either JN or MG over the line early (understanding Slot isn’t going to leave Feyenoord yet), then that could be a game changer right now.

I don’t think any manager that we be hired has been here to ‘do us a favour’
We’ve always been a really intriguing job, with huge untapped potential, great players and a big fan base. Anyone who could harness that and be the man to bring trophies would be rightly seen as a messiah within our club.
That’s why poch (who got as close as anyone) is seen by so many as the prodigal son.

But please, let’s cut the bullshit that conte or Jose took the job as ‘a favour’

it’s not true. It’s lazy. It’s smalltime

 

[Timberwolf]

I don’t think any manager that we be hired has been here to ‘do us a favour’
We’ve always been a really intriguing job, with huge untapped potential, great players and a big fan base. Anyone who could harness that and be the man to bring trophies would be rightly seen as a messiah within our club.
That’s why poch (who got as close as anyone) is seen by so many as the prodigal son.

But please, let’s cut the bullshit that conte or Jose took the job as ‘a favour’

it’s not true. It’s lazy. It’s smalltime

I don't think either of them took the job 'as a favour'. I really don't see how that particular line makes sense.

I do, however, think money rather than the overall footballing project was probably the primary motivating factor for both Jose and Conte taking the job - especially in Conte's case given he signed such a short term deal. Both of them were struggling to find a big club willing to take them on, then we popped up offering a Real Madrid level salary.

I'm sure they were interested in the project too - we did have 2 of the world's best forwards when they both joined - but the way they both started slagging off the club's history once things went a bit sour to protect their egos/reputations was quite telling, I think.

 

[HedgieSpur]

I don't think either of them took the job 'as a favour'. I really don't see how that particular line makes sense.

I do, however, think money rather than the overall footballing project was probably the primary motivating factor for both of them - especially in Conte's case given he signed such a short term deal. Both of them were struggling to find a big club willing to take them on, then we popped up offering a Real Madrid level salary.

I'm sure they were interested in the project too - we did have 2 of the world's best forwards when they both joined - but the way they both started slagging off the club once things went a bit sour to protect their egos/reputations was quite telling, I think.

Completely agree with this, but what youre asserting doesnt quite fit the narrative for some.

 

[septicsac]

Not against a Poch return, my worry would be we are further off in terms of quality within the squad than when he left and is he the man to rebuild. Was it his stubbornness the last time or more likely levy not backing him?

 

[zonbon32]

Not against a Poch return, my worry would be we are further off in terms of quality within the squad than when he left and is he the man to rebuild. Was it his stubbornness the last time or more likely levy not backing him?

I don't think our current squad have the power players that his first squad had. Walker, Rose & Dembele were all criticised by fans before Poch but he turned them into pressing machines and they were a big part of why we were hard to play against. Do we have those powerful types atm? Bissouma & Spence possibly but I'm not sure

 

[Dr Know]

You just made that up without any evidence to support it.

I think that counts for everyone on this forum making similar statements TBH. I would even go as far to say that we can include the news outlets and some of the “close to Spurs” sources on Twitter/social media

 

[Harrier]

I don't think our current squad have the power players that his first squad had. Walker, Rose & Dembele were all criticised by fans before Poch but he turned them into pressing machines and they were a big part of why we were hard to play against. Do we have those powerful types atm? Bissouma & Spence possibly but I'm not sure

I think both Richi and Deki would be effective pressing from the front.

We could also see our other midfielders be more effective pressing when they’re in a three, and not spread so thin as they have recently been.

 

[Tezza1978]

Think the win-rate thing is a bit meaningless since Poch's first season was a building job with Mason and Bentaleb in midfield and his final season was with the embers of a fading team.

His win-rate from 15-16 to 17-18 was surely, by a distance, the best of any Spurs manager over an extended period.

Guy's an absolute legend and we should never forget what he did here or act like he didn't do an outstanding job. Would just personally prefer us to go in a different direction rather than trying to make magic happen twice.

The bit in bold sums up my feelings.

It's not about slagging Poch off or denigrating his achievements, he was absolutely great for us other than the last 9 months .

But he isnt above criticism, he isn't some sort of Spurs ultra loyalist (he would have cheerfully left us for United or Madrid and appallingly intimated he would leave THE NIGHT BEFORE our biggest game in history!) , he's not the Messiah. It's time to look forwards not backwards.

 

[Timberwolf]

I don't think our current squad have the power players that his first squad had. Walker, Rose & Dembele were all criticised by fans before Poch but he turned them into pressing machines and they were a big part of why we were hard to play against. Do we have those powerful types atm? Bissouma & Spence possibly but I'm not sure

I think we're probably OK at fullback/wing-back - the potential of Udogie, Porro and Spence is really high - and I think there's enough talent and energy at CM, even if the profiles are quite similar. We'll never have a CM to match Dembele, but I reckon most of our CMs are better than Eric Dier was as a CDM option under Poch.

The main issue in my mind is the huge drop-off in creativity without Eriksen - another generational player - and at CB. We're so much weaker in those areas than we were under Poch and I highly doubt we'll come close to a CB pairing like Jan and Toby, or a creative force like Eriksen.

Also will be tricky to find a better keeper than peak Lloris, even if we'd struggle to find a keeper worse with his feet.

 

[spursfan77]

Yeah I fucking hated getting 86 points and having the best attacking and defensive record in the keague. Getting to the CL final was a ball ache as well. Pointing out that a man who conspicuously wasn’t backed had a better win rate then Jose and the same as Conte even though they were showered with vastly more transfer backing is a very odd way of trying to denigrate his time here as well.

I understand the arguments for saying now isn’t the right time to bring Poch back, but this kind of snooty bullshit that suggests he was anything other than brilliant for us is just embarrassing. It went wrong at the end (because he wasn’t backed imo) but it’s the best years of watching spurs since the 80s, if not earlier. Right now I’d love more of that. I’m actually happy with any of the names being bandied about at the moment, but would love to see Poch back

I genuinely think some of our ”fans” actually hate Poch now. It’s absolutely weird. As for people calling match going fans embarrassing for singing the song, well, it’s not them that are the embarrassment, it’s the keyboard warriors who never go to games. Yet moan about it from hundreds of miles away.

 

[FloridaSpur]

We had two managers after Poch that were notorious in winning trophies and they also failed.
If we can’t win a trophy, I rather watch attractive football.

Each were given a season, Poch got five.

Nothing attractive about Brighton being the only team with a worse record before Poch GOT fired. Half a decade of failure shouldn't be rewarded with a second chance.

 

[FloridaSpur]

As opposed to what we have seen since he left?

Correct, so why want a manager who failed to win anything to return?

What has Poch won at a club since he left aside from winning the French one horse race league?

 

[Aleks]

I genuinely think some of our ”fans” actually hate Poch now. It’s absolutely weird. As for people calling match going fans embarrassing for singing the song, well, it’s not them that are the embarrassment, it’s the keyboard warriors who never go to games. Yet moan about it from hundreds of miles away.

Other people have a different opinion than you and that shouldn't be so difficult to understand, however you go all high and mighty and emotional and insinuate that other fans aren't as much of a "fan" as you are.


Poch left for a reason and people remember this, it's really not that hard to understand.

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

Half a decade of failure

You, and I, have different definitions of "failure".

5, 3, 2, 3, 4 in five seasons, when the club were limited financially due to the stadium build. 3 Semi-finals, and one final in the domestic cups, and 1 CL final.

I would take that 5-year run, for the next 5 years and let the chips fall where they may in the Cups.

 

[spursfan77]

Other people have a different opinion than you and that shouldn't be so difficult to understand, however you go all high and mighty and emotional and insinuate that other fans aren't as much of a "fan" as you are.


Poch left for a reason and people remember this, it's really not that hard to understand.

But they degenerate his achievements with us at any turn. You know who they are, they do it every time he’s mentioned. I know why Poch left, I was very vocal at the time wanting him to go, but there’s more reasons for bringing him back now than not and people who pay to go to the games are allowed to state that, sing his name and want him to come back. I wasn’t even there yesterday, so it’s got nothing to do with me being a better fan than those who don’t go to matches, so you’re making yourself look a mug there.

 

[FloridaSpur]

You, and I, have different definitions of "failure".

5, 3, 2, 3, 4 in five seasons, when the club were limited financially due to the stadium build. 3 Semi-finals, and one final in the domestic cups, and 1 CL final.

I would take that 5-year run, for the next 5 years and let the chips fall where they may in the Cups.

Leicester were financially challenged two years ago when they won the FA Cup.

Coming second is the first loser's place, and until the club look at it that way not a lot will change? The football during that period you mention was great, but look how boring Woolwich were when they were picking up trophies in seasons past?

Personally the club have failed over the past twenty years, as the point is surely to win silverware and not finish as perennial under achievers?