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H-SF

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I definitely see where your coming from, because it’s mostly what we’ve seen from Conte here. But I’d argue that the deeper structure is a result of our worse personnel.

These are quotes made just this week actually by Conte, explaining what I’m saying.


“The intensity of the game it depends also on the opponent. In the first half [on Sunday] we started to press high, but sometimes you find a good opponent. We work to overcome the pressure.

You have to know very well that when you press high, you leave a lot of space at the back. If you a player like Saka, Martinelli or Mahrez, Foden or Grealish or Haaland, then you risk to concede a goal very high. Then you also have to consider the characteristics of your players, of your defenders.

If we can stay very high and depend high with 50m behind us or it's better for the characteristics of the players to stay a bit lower to cover more space and don't be stupid to be so open and give the opportunity to your opponent to kill you.”
Interesting quotations tbf. But for me Conte’s love for Dier and the signing of Lenglet (both of whom struggle in a high line) suggest he doesn’t intend for us to consistently press high like Arsenal and City. Plus, it’s just not something we’ve seen at his previous jobs
 

Now it's Spursonal

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Interesting quotations tbf. But for me Conte’s love for Dier and the signing of Lenglet (both of whom struggle in a high line) suggest he doesn’t intend for us to consistently press high like Arsenal and City. Plus, it’s just not something we’ve seen at his previous jobs
Must admit that I didn’t watch too much of his Inter team in the Serie A, but in the champions league their back line was sat very high. Their two matches against Liverpool were fantastic games to watch, with both teams pressing super high.
 

GutBucket

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Interesting quotations tbf. But for me Conte’s love for Dier and the signing of Lenglet (both of whom struggle in a high line) suggest he doesn’t intend for us to consistently press high like Arsenal and City. Plus, it’s just not something we’ve seen at his previous jobs
Teams that press lose their shape. Brozovic wasn't allowed to go left or right, neither was CCB (De Vrij). Most Italians prefer shape over press and high line or only let one attacker do the pressing etc. There are obvious exceptions like Gasparini etc. I don't remember how it was at Chelsea or Juventus.
 

Metalhead

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Well I think whoever the new manager is, they will get a lot more investment than Poch did during the stadium-building years so maybe going back to a more modest managerial appointment but with some cash to back it up isn't a bad thing? That's kind of what Arsenal did: picked an upcoming manager they believed him and then backed him in the market.

In previous years there was a big more pressure to bring in a big name manager to keep Kane on side but with him all but gone I feel that's less of a concern.

Even if we brought in Tuchel, got top 4 and won the CL, I'm not convinced Kane would sign a new deal tbh.
Yes, I'd say that it's likely coming towards the end of Kane's time at the club - maybe Son's too.
 

SpartanSpur

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That Dan KP article this morning suggests Levy is lining Tuchel up to take over if things don't improve quickly.
 

spursfan77

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Standard reporting that Tuchel would be interested in the job. Its a bit click-baity but it was written by Dan Kilpatrick who, based on some of the comments he made yesterday about Conte, may as well be Levy :whistle:



He would be open to an offer from Spurs, although the German is understood to not currently be in contact with any potential suitors.


Interesting.
 

synththfc

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Standard reporting that Tuchel would be interested in the job. Its a bit click-baity but it was written by Dan Kilpatrick who, based on some of the comments he made yesterday about Conte, may as well be Levy :whistle:

nizaar kinsella, a co author of this, is very good for chelsea stuff, so i imagine tuchel is positioning himself for the job
 

GutBucket

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Will need a new backline for this type of a thing. Apologies to any Barcelona fans for bringining possible Lenglet in a high line memories. He used 433 and 4231 (also 4222) at B. Dortmund and PSG, he is more adaptable and could change formation and tactics though.

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Spurs 1961

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Just let’s get a manger who doesn’t moan, doesn’t blame everyone else, plays football, and takes responsibility.

his last outbursts about wanting the directors to speak on his behalf is crazy. What manager, sane ones that is, want their directors discussing tactics, transfer policy, training matters with the press and public. Conte really is too much.
 

DiVaio

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Think this is very harsh reasoning to imply that Tuchel is a better manager than Conte.

Yes, Tuchel’s back 5 was elite but it’s pretty unfair to label it all down to coaching.

To compare, Tuchel had the pleasure of coaching a back 5 of Chilwell/ Rudiger, T. Silva, Azpillicueta/ R. James. With a prime Kante covering in front of them.
Before Tuchel they conceded 23 goals in 19 league games and most of Chelsea fans didn't rate Rudiger. Next 19 league games until Tuchel they conceded 13 goals and only 1 goal in the whole play-off CL campaign against Atletico, Porto, Real and City and Rudiger became the best defender in the world. It's all down to coaching.
 

markiespurs

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Six months after getting us top 4 and our fans want Conte out.

Four months after getting us to a CL final (following 5 of some of the best years of our recent history) and our fans wanted Poch out. Quite a few wanted him out in his first season before the Villa/Kane FK game.

Our fan base isn't and will never have the patience for a full rebuild.

The patience will have to come from the board who will stick with the manager even if the fans want him out. They have to hire someone that they will truly commit to and believe in.
Perhaps if we didn't have to pay some of the highest season ticket prices in the country fans would have more patience.

I think if the team was playing badly and getting results or playing well and not getting the results we would have more patience however when they are playing bad and not getting results that's when we get itchy feet.
 

GioW

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I want new owners first and foremost and am not really entertaining the idea of who our next manager will be

But I will stand by my opinion in that I have never seen a team improve so much, so quick and maintain it than Chelsea under Tuchel.
 

Trent Crimm

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Before Tuchel they conceded 23 goals in 19 league games and most of Chelsea fans didn't rate Rudiger. Next 19 league games until Tuchel they conceded 13 goals and only 1 goal in the whole play-off CL campaign against Atletico, Porto, Real and City and Rudiger became the best defender in the world. It's all down to coaching.

What is this coaching ye talk of? Is it a spell??
 

alfie103

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Before Tuchel they conceded 23 goals in 19 league games and most of Chelsea fans didn't rate Rudiger. Next 19 league games until Tuchel they conceded 13 goals and only 1 goal in the whole play-off CL campaign against Atletico, Porto, Real and City and Rudiger became the best defender in the world. It's all down to coaching.

Personally, I don't think it is. Otherwise why would clubs spend hundreds of millions on players when all you need to do is hire a good coach?
 

BPR_U16

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Before Tuchel they conceded 23 goals in 19 league games and most of Chelsea fans didn't rate Rudiger. Next 19 league games until Tuchel they conceded 13 goals and only 1 goal in the whole play-off CL campaign against Atletico, Porto, Real and City and Rudiger became the best defender in the world. It's all down to coaching.
our defence currently is a mistake waiting to happen - and the mistakes are happening at least once every game and we are getting punished. It's not just coaching that will sort that, it's about confidence, trust and belief which hopefully comes from knowing what they and the rest of the defensive unit are doing
 
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