Match Threads Norwich vs Spurs - Match Thread

[shelfboy68]

We could seriously go into the Championship and buy the best right back and left back in the division and they would be more defensively competent than any of our full backs. That's how bad things have got in those positions.

I do also feel that the chocolate teapot midfield we put out today did the defence no favours. Yes, we were more creative but the defence had no protection. Even in the second half we still looked vulnerable in the middle of the park.

I think Jose is letting it all hang out so Levy loosens the purse strings in the summer.

If Jose wants to let it all hang out then levy will charge him for the privelage.

 

[Jamturk]

On the post-match Pitt-Brooke Athletic Q&A, with all the Serge criticism he said we're linked to 'Bogle at right back'. I can't figure out if it is a typo, or if I'm just not up to date with Football Manager players.

For all the hype, Aarons didn't stand out to me today.

Nope, he's real, plays for Derby County.

Funny you should say that, I bought him for Spurs in FM20.

Huge potential, 1 for the future though.

 

[dondo]

That's the question, I'm not particularly keen on any of them.

I think Ndombele and sissoko are our 2 best CM’s but I’m not sure they make a great partnership

 

[Jamturk]

I don't know where this "Ndombele was brilliant throughout" nonsense is coming from. Actually, I probably do: he was very good after half time and most people here are really goldfish.

Let's just be clear about this: the primary reason we had zero control over midfield in the first half was that Ndombele was not fighting for the ball, he was waiting it for him to come to him. And then losing it, or not even winning it in the first place.

Nothing evidences this better than the two occasions when a Spurs defender skied a clearance and, instead of putting his body in the way, establishing control of the space and winning the ball, the way Kane would have or Dembélé would have, he waited for it to drop from a convenient distance, leaving a more aggressive Norwich midfielder to win it instead. He went on a few promising looking dribbles and, every time, he lost the ball to a more committed opponent.

In the second half, it was evident that he had been ordered to up the intensity, because that's what he did and it worked: he was very good. But he has to learn this and apply it every week: in England, you don't get the ball unless you fight for it.

He was next to useless until half time: pretty in fits, but ineffective.

You are right, but I believe the 1st half was a collective failure.

I think it was folly for the manager to play a different system with so many different players coming into the team.

We looked better in the 2nd half due to playing in a familiar shape.

 

[Jamturk]

I think Ndombele and sissoko are our 2 best CM’s but I’m not sure they make a great partnership

I agree, I think it's crying out for a 3 man midfield.

Runner, Passer, Holder.

But Mourinho is hamstrung by his love for Dele in the no10 role.

 

[davidmatzdorf]

You are right, but I believe the 1st half was a collective failure.

I think it was folly for the manager to play a different system with so many different players coming into the team.

We looked better in the 2nd half due to playing in a familiar shape.

Yes, I think we're saying complementary things, but Ndombele, in the absence of Dier or Wanyama or Winks or Sissoko, was playing as the deepest-lying midfielder. That comes with a responsibility to win the ball. He didn't put his balls into that until the second half.

 

[dagraham]

What about a freakish own goal?
Lets be honest, that's why we've only got 1 point and not 3.

If we’re being honest though, although the final touch was freakish, our defence parted like the Red Sea in the build up. It was awful defending, as was the 1st goal and the goal that VAR disallowed( which was more luck than a well drilled offside trap).

 

[ClintEastwould]

I don't know where this "Ndombele was brilliant throughout" nonsense is coming from. Actually, I probably do: he was very good after half time and most people here are really goldfish.

Let's just be clear about this: the primary reason we had zero control over midfield in the first half was that Ndombele was not fighting for the ball, he was waiting it for him to come to him. And then losing it, or not even winning it in the first place.

Nothing evidences this better than the two occasions when a Spurs defender skied a clearance and, instead of putting his body in the way, establishing control of the space and winning the ball, the way Kane would have or Dembélé would have, he waited for it to drop from a convenient distance, leaving a more aggressive Norwich midfielder to win it instead. He went on a few promising looking dribbles and, every time, he lost the ball to a more committed opponent.

In the second half, it was evident that he had been ordered to up the intensity, because that's what he did and it worked: he was very good. But he has to learn this and apply it every week: in England, you don't get the ball unless you fight for it.

He was next to useless until half time: pretty in fits, but ineffective.

You have to understand that our threshold of a good central midfielder consists of Dier Sissoko and Winks for the best part of a year. A player who is brave enough to pick up the ball, play it forward, and has the trust of the cbs is a well needed change of pace.

 

[jonnyp]

Dele Alli of 2019 is exactly the same as tail end Keane. All shit flicks. It's infuriating.

U mean the offside one?

The offside rule needs changing then. His feet were 2 feet onside, his armpit hairs weren't. We have had a couple of those this season also which were ridiculous . If VAR has to use fucking rulers to check a grainy image if it's offside or not, then it's not offside.

I don't know where this "Ndombele was brilliant throughout" nonsense is coming from. Actually, I probably do: he was very good after half time and most people here are really goldfish.

Let's just be clear about this: the primary reason we had zero control over midfield in the first half was that Ndombele was not fighting for the ball, he was waiting it for him to come to him. And then losing it, or not even winning it in the first place.

Nothing evidences this better than the two occasions when a Spurs defender skied a clearance and, instead of putting his body in the way, establishing control of the space and winning the ball, the way Kane would have or Dembélé would have, he waited for it to drop from a convenient distance, leaving a more aggressive Norwich midfielder to win it instead. He went on a few promising looking dribbles and, every time, he lost the ball to a more committed opponent.

In the second half, it was evident that he had been ordered to up the intensity, because that's what he did and it worked: he was very good. But he has to learn this and apply it every week: in England, you don't get the ball unless you fight for it.

He was next to useless until half time: pretty in fits, but ineffective.

Like he was the only one who couldn't win a ball to save their life in that first half.

When he had the ball in the first half he was the only one who looked able to control it and do something positive with it. Yes, he didn't run and cover as much ground or do what you expect an experienced PL defensive midfielder would do, but he has never been that type of player so why are you expecting that of him and why are you not criticizing the other players who were MUCH worse than him in every aspect? He was the least of our problems in that half by far.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

I don't know where this "Ndombele was brilliant throughout" nonsense is coming from. Actually, I probably do: he was very good after half time and most people here are really goldfish.

Let's just be clear about this: the primary reason we had zero control over midfield in the first half was that Ndombele was not fighting for the ball, he was waiting it for him to come to him. And then losing it, or not even winning it in the first place.

Nothing evidences this better than the two occasions when a Spurs defender skied a clearance and, instead of putting his body in the way, establishing control of the space and winning the ball, the way Kane would have or Dembélé would have, he waited for it to drop from a convenient distance, leaving a more aggressive Norwich midfielder to win it instead. He went on a few promising looking dribbles and, every time, he lost the ball to a more committed opponent.

In the second half, it was evident that he had been ordered to up the intensity, because that's what he did and it worked: he was very good. But he has to learn this and apply it every week: in England, you don't get the ball unless you fight for it.

He was next to useless until half time: pretty in fits, but ineffective.

agree with a lot of this.in fact he was partly culpable for such a weak covering tackle when they broke to score the opening goal - which if that was Winks’ mistake he would have been absolutely slaughtered in here. NDombele had a great second half granted but he has a lot of work to do to be a trusted first 11 player imo

 

[Mattspurs1982]

Foyth. Horrible horrible player. Please jettison him to somewhere in Jan Jose

 

[Gb160]

If we’re being honest though, although the final touch was freakish, our defence parted like the Red Sea in the build up. It was awful defending, as was the 1st goal and the goal that VAR disallowed( which was more luck than a well drilled offside trap).

It wasn't great, but it was freakish...like the Tripper on last year.
The first goal was worse imo, just rank bad defending.

 

[Dr Know]

What can I say...... I just hope results tomorrow go our way

 

[Gb160]

The offside rule needs changing then. His feet were 2 feet onside, his armpit hairs weren't. We have had a couple of those this season also which were ridiculous . If VAR has to use fucking rulers to check a grainy image if it's offside or not, then it's not offside.

I don't disagree with you, but they're the rules as they stand, sometimes they go for you...sometimes against.

 

[dagraham]

It wasn't great, but it was freakish...like the Tripper on last year.
The first goal was worse imo, just rank bad defending.

I know it was mainly Foyth’s fault, but I still don’t understand why Toby just backed off and let him shoot inside the box right in the middle of the goal?

I know he was concerned about allowing the other player next to him space to receive a pass, but in that situation you have to try and stop the shot surely?

 

[Gb160]

I know it was mainly Foyth’s fault, but I still don’t understand why Toby just backed off and let him shoot inside the box right in the middle of the goal?

I know he was concerned about allowing the other player next to him space to receive a pass, but in that situation you have to try and stop the shot surely?

Our defence just parted and allowed him through...it was practically on the penalty spot by the time he shot...no one put a tackle in.
At least if Toby forced him to play it wide the attacker has a bit of an angle to deal with.

 

[Goofster]

our players always look slow compared to the opposition, even when we play long balls our attackers get caught by running defenders yet when it happens to us our defendes seems to never catch up. don't know if it's a mentality thing or if they are just trained into the ground or whatever the reason is but we look slow on the pitch and have close to no movement in the front line once in possession. the number of times we have the opportunity to surge down the flanks and put a cross in but just stop and roll i back to the defenders is starting to worry me.

 

[jonnyp]

our players always look slow compared to the opposition, even when we play long balls our attackers get caught by running defenders yet when it happens to us our defendes seems to never catch up. don't know if it's a mentality thing or if they are just trained into the ground or whatever the reason is but we look slow on the pitch and have close to no movement in the front line once in possession. the number of times we have the opportunity to surge down the flanks and put a cross in but just stop and roll i back to the defenders is starting to worry me.

Starting? It's been like that for ages.

 

[jonnyp]

I know it was mainly Foyth’s fault, but I still don’t understand why Toby just backed off and let him shoot inside the box right in the middle of the goal?

I know he was concerned about allowing the other player next to him space to receive a pass, but in that situation you have to try and stop the shot surely?

Third time Toby does it this season.

 

[DenverSpur]

He was terrible first half, it looked like he was scared and he also received som absolute hospital passes from Aurier which didn't help things. But he bossed it after half time, clearly the best player on the pitch second half.

He was terrible because he was left alone in midfield playing 1 against 3. The 2 FBs didn’t tuck in and Eriksen and Lo Celso we’re pushed up with Kane and Alli