Painful rebuild

[rio bryan]

Oh how accurate Poch was with his 'Painful rebuild' quotes. Whether he saw this coming I don't know, but it's depressing to think that

Toby/Jan/Eriksen all probably leaving on a free in the summer (they aren't going in January so that can be forgotten)

That's 3 first team, and key players during Pochs time that are leaving for nothing, and will cost North of 150m to replace unless we get lucky and unearth a gem (which we haven't done for years, even Clarke can't get a game for Leeds now)

Rose wants/wanted to go, or was being pushed in the summer

Our right back options are a joke and again likely to cost 50m to sort. Aarons would be an option but someone like Everton are more likely to take a punt on him while we piss about and then he'll cost 80 in 2 years.

The form of Alli has absolutely nosedived

Still no sign of an adequate backup/rotation/partner for Kane. I'd love us to go back in for Dybala but considering our deficiencies, the money is probably best spent on a RB.

That's before we even get to Poch and the fact that whenever Madrid see fit to sack Zidane, he'll be the first person they call.

So in theory, worst case scenario. We end the season (however good/bad it goes) with no Toby, Jan, Eriksen, Rose and Poch.

When you look at the youth the scum have coming through too it is a sad state of affairs. For all our magnificent facilities, maybe Parrott aside, and even that's purely out of necessity we've got no youth anywhere near breaking through.

Depressing

Not sure we are going to buy a replacement for Toby when we have, Sanchez, Foyth,Dier and Tanganga, Lo Celso as a replacement for Eriksen so just a replacement for Jan which we have needed for a while to be fair.

 

[jurgen]

The rebuild thing is nonsense. We already have a fantastic squad.

We have Sanchez and Foyth as young CBs to replace the Belgians who were Poch signings!! Yet they don’t seem to have kicked on.

We signed NDombele to sort out our CM. Our fullbacks needs revamping but Aurier was signed fairly recently and seems to have been a disaster and mismanaged.

This talk of rebuild is just excuses from Poch. Can someone tell me where in our first 11 we need to rebuild? Keep in mind we have GLC Sesssgnon and NDombele to take up 3 positions in the side?

You say fullbacks need revamping but then one sentence below ask where in our first 11 we need to rebuild? Eh?

Foyth is obviously injured, and it seems that he is earmarked for RB now as our fullback options clearly aren't trusted and once he and the above three are all up to speed they will be integrated and part of the rebuild will be underway.

Given you accept that we have new players to come into the side who haven't yet for injury reasons, maybe we should wait and see how they fare first before completely losing our shit and sacking the man who they came to play for?

And once we lose the three ex-Ajax players, who are very much first team picks we will obviously need players to replace them which will be more 'rebuilding' although some of this is just semantics. We're losing three very important players, probably more.. there will be some new players coming in and changing things. Well, there better be..

 

[Japhet]

Not sure we are going to buy a replacement for Toby when we have, Sanchez, Foyth,Dier and Tanganga, Lo Celso as a replacement for Eriksen so just a replacement for Jan which we have needed for a while to be fair.

Lo Celso is more of a CM than a number 10.

 

[ATLguy]

The rebuild thing is nonsense. We already have a fantastic squad.

We have Sanchez and Foyth as young CBs to replace the Belgians who were Poch signings!! Yet they don’t seem to have kicked on.

We signed NDombele to sort out our CM. Our fullbacks needs revamping but Aurier was signed fairly recently and seems to have been a disaster and mismanaged.

This talk of rebuild is just excuses from Poch. Can someone tell me where in our first 11 we need to rebuild? Keep in mind we have GLC Sesssgnon and NDombele to take up 3 positions in the side?

I don't think anyone is suggesting that the first 11 need to go, but the back 4 is a shitshow. I'd keep Toby (if you can), but the rest should be gone ASAP. Love Verts, but he is just not up to the task anymore...thanks for your service.

Next is VW + CE...no explanation needed. Bring Winks off the bench, but never play him as a DM again!

Last, but not least, get fucking Lucas Moura on the field! He may not make the most "creative" decisions, but that little fucker gives 100% all energy. Defensively he is very deceptive as his quickness allows him to step into passing lanes and disrupt. Most of all, at the moment he'll bring more to the table than Eriksen or Alli.

 

[keithtighe93]

The rebuild thing is nonsense. We already have a fantastic squad.

We have Sanchez and Foyth as young CBs to replace the Belgians who were Poch signings!! Yet they don’t seem to have kicked on.

We signed NDombele to sort out our CM. Our fullbacks needs revamping but Aurier was signed fairly recently and seems to have been a disaster and mismanaged.

This talk of rebuild is just excuses from Poch. Can someone tell me where in our first 11 we need to rebuild? Keep in mind we have GLC Sesssgnon and NDombele to take up 3 positions in the side?

You make a lot of sense there. Something like this going forward: Lloris,KWP,Foyth,Sanchez,Sess,Skipp,Ndombele,Lo Celso,Son,Kane,Lamela

That's the guts of a good team in a season or two if they start playing together week in week out soon

 

[rio bryan]

Lo Celso is more of a CM than a number 10.

I know but he can also play 10 so makes a Eriksen replacement not so important.

 

[Zummerzet Spur]

If he can stay injury free I’d like to see Lamela make the no10 role his own - he might not have the eye for a sublime pass like Eriksen but often plays good passes through to Kane and has a darn sight more guile and passion in the high press than Eriksen.

 

[Japhet]

I know but he can also play 10 so makes a Eriksen replacement not so important.

OK, I get that. I think (hope) we'd more likely change to more of a 433 formation than try to directly replace Eriksen. If the past couple of seasons have shown us anything, it's that over reliance on one player for creativity is a severe weakness when that player is off form. With Ndombele and Lo Celso it looks like we are aiming from more creativity from deep rather than everything revolving around 10.

 

[Shadydan]

The rebuild thing is nonsense. We already have a fantastic squad.

We have Sanchez and Foyth as young CBs to replace the Belgians who were Poch signings!! Yet they don’t seem to have kicked on.

We signed NDombele to sort out our CM. Our fullbacks needs revamping but Aurier was signed fairly recently and seems to have been a disaster and mismanaged.

This talk of rebuild is just excuses from Poch. Can someone tell me where in our first 11 we need to rebuild? Keep in mind we have GLC Sesssgnon and NDombele to take up 3 positions in the side?

You realise he said this on the 3rd May right?

When you talk about Tottenham, everyone says you have an amazing house but you need to put in the furniture.

If you want to have a lovely house maybe you need better furniture. And it depends on your budget if you are going to spend money. We need to be respectful with teams like Manchester City or Liverpool who spend a lot of money. We are brave, we are clever, we are creative.

Now it’s about creating another chapter and to have the clear idea of how we are going to build that new project. We need to rebuild. It’s going to be painful.

We cannot live like we lived in the last five years — on the perception side and on the reality side. We achieved a lot of things, we overachieved maybe. Because of our ambition and the way that we work, we’re here now in a very good position.

But what next? I cannot guess because it’s a club decision. What can we expect now? One question the other day was, ‘is the depth of the squad not at the quality of the new stadium?

If we start next season talking about that, nothing good is going to happen in the future. The perception and the feeling are not going to be right.

Can we repeat [our achievements] next season? I cannot guess. When we finish the season, I think it’s a moment to close a five-year chapter, to analyse, to talk a lot and to give the real value of that period. It was amazing.

The problem is: what do we want for the next chapter? Now we’ve finished the training ground and the stadium, what does the club want to achieve in the next one, two, three or five years and what are the fans expecting

There’s many things to talk about and put on the table, and then try to be realistic.

What excuses do you see him making?

 

[stevenurse]

Not sure we are going to buy a replacement for Toby when we have, Sanchez, Foyth,Dier and Tanganga, Lo Celso as a replacement for Eriksen so just a replacement for Jan which we have needed for a while to be fair.

At one point or another, each of those mentioned (Tanganga aside) have been widely criticised and deemed by many as not good enough. It would be lovely, but barring a major uplift in performance, its going to lead to a significant drop off in quality

 

[rez9000]

Lol I’d have him at right back, nothing like a good ‘ole Irish right back! ??

He can fill in at left back too but he’s right footed and we need a left for width and I’m just not a fan of inverted full backs.

No, me neither.

 

[SugarRay]

Ndombele and Lo Celso will cover the Eriksen loss, and then some. We’ll have to adjust our style a bit but will end up better off I think.

The centre halves? Right now they are easily replaced, easily. Performing awfully so they’re helping in respect of missing them.
We will miss the Toby and Jan of two years ago, but that’s long gone anyway.
Same with the fullbacks. Right now Aurier and KWP are so easily replaced it’s laughable. Rose? Still hold out hope he can get his nut down but remember Sess might end up back there eventually.

The way I see it, we need a centre half to go with Foyth, Sanchez and Dier. A proper defensive midfielder of the highest order ( this is where the big money should go ) and a right back.

 

[danielneeds]

Just say that all of the heavily rumoured wantaway players go in the summer - Rose, Aurier, Toby, Eriksen, Jan, Wanyama and we don't buy anyone. We could be left with something like...

Lloris
KWP Sanchez Foyth Davies
Lo Celso Winks Ndombele
Lucas Kane Son

Bench: Gazza, Dier, Skipp, Sissoko, Sessegnon, Lamela, Dele, Parrott,​

Now, that's not a terrible looking team or bench by any means. You add in Clarke, a speedy RB, a physical DM, and a left-footed CB and it looks like a pretty strong squad again.

 

[mill]

Me too

You forgot the #

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

You realise he said this on the 3rd May right?



What excuses do you see him making?

Sorry if this comes across the wrong way but why do you always pick holes in people’s perfectly reasonable comments, it’s not even a debate, people write well thought out justified paragraphs and you just reply with a single antagonising question.

@Primativ is spot on that poch using rebuild as an excuse is wrong because our squad is perfectly good enough and more to the point he and levy should and did have a plan to rectify it.

This whole rebuild stuff is bollocks, we probably have the 3rd best squad in the league by some way right now and even next summer it will only be about 3-4 players max that we’d need to bring in and considering we didn’t sign anyone for 18months then 2 windows of 3-4 signings is perfectly reasonable.

Team/squad next season could be :

Lloris
Gazzaniga

NEW RB
Foyth

Sanchez
Dier
Tangayna
New CB

Sessengon
Davies

Ndombele
Sissoko

Lo celso
Winks/Skipp

Lucas
Lamela

Dele
New n.o 10/Lo Celso

Son
Sessengon if needed

Kane
Parrott

So even if : Toby jan wanyama and erisken all left we’d only need a new RB, CB and n.o 10/ST and possibly another AM or DM depending on how we set-up.

 

[Shadydan]

Sorry if this comes across the wrong way but why do you always pick holes in people’s perfectly reasonable comments, it’s not even a debate, people write well thought out justified paragraphs and you just reply with a single antagonising question.

@Primativ is spot on that poch using rebuild as an excuse is wrong because our squad is perfectly good enough and more to the point he and levy should and did have a plan to rectify it.

This whole rebuild stuff is bollocks, we probably have the 3rd best squad in the league by some way right now and even next summer it will only be about 3-4 players max that we’d need to bring in and considering we didn’t sign anyone for 18months then 2 windows of 3-4 signings is perfectly reasonable.

Team/squad next season could be :

Lloris
Gazzaniga

NEW RB
Foyth

Sanchez
Dier
Tangayna
New CB

Sessengon
Davies

Ndombele
Sissoko

Lo celso
Winks/Skipp

Lucas
Lamela

Dele
New n.o 10/Lo Celso

Son
Sessengon if needed

Kane
Parrott

So even if : Toby jan wanyama and erisken all left we’d only need a new RB, CB and n.o 10/ST and possibly another AM or DM depending on how we set-up.

Poch said that on the 3rd May and he was alluding to this summer when we did have to in fact rebuild the team, they're not new comments...so why are both of you including players that we bought this summer and the team we have now?

So again how is that an excuse?

Look: https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/fo...ahead-of-summer-transfer-window-a4133596.html

The painful rebuild I think he was also alluding to wasn't only bringing players in it was getting rid of those who aren't in tune to with the philosophy and those who have lost interest, we still have 5 of those players at the club and they're still starting matches.

In fact you're actually agreeing with him, bringing in 8 players in two summers whilst losing 6/7 first teamers does in fact point to significant changes which is more transfer activity we do on average hence 'painful rebuild'.

I question the energy that certain Spurs fans have for our players and managers, ready to jump on anything and twist it into a negative purely to suit their own agenda.

 

[Goobers]

To be fair to the manager he mentioned the next stage being painful for quite a while. How painful it would be he didn't say. I get what he was saying and obviously we have much to amend and sort out

 

[king26]

davies can cover l/cb

 

[TEESSIDE1]

Because he is garbage

Dier’s far from garbage... he is however struggling with fitness, form and most of all the sale of Walker and the colossal fall from grace of Rose. ‘When’ we had to flying full backs Dier was at his best... breaking up play and dropping back in the back 2 to make a 3. However, with our current inept full backs from both a defensive and offensive perspective, Dier becomes exposed as a square peg in a round hole. Until we get a new RB and bed Sessegnon? in... we need to scrap our reliance on the full backs and rely on Son and Moura for width... by doing this we can integrate Dier back into the team.

 

[Primativ]

Poch said that on the 3rd May and he was alluding to this summer when we did have to in fact rebuild the team, they're not new comments...so why are both of you including players that we bought this summer and the team we have now?

So again how is that an excuse?

Look: https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/fo...ahead-of-summer-transfer-window-a4133596.html

The painful rebuild I think he was also alluding to wasn't only bringing players in it was getting rid of those who aren't in tune to with the philosophy and those who have lost interest, we still have 5 of those players at the club and they're still starting matches.

In fact you're actually agreeing with him, bringing in 8 players in two summers whilst losing 6/7 first teamers does in fact point to significant changes which is more transfer activity we do on average hence 'painful rebuild'.

I question the energy that certain Spurs fans have for our players and managers, ready to jump on anything and twist it into a negative purely to suit their own agenda.

It's an excuse because we were already in shocking form since January, and we limped into the top 4 by way of two other teams being worse than us. I take it you didn't see his quotes last week saying that he couldn't wait for the January transfer window to open, despite saying all summer he couldn't wait for the window to close. Ridiculous. Who is he kidding? The guy is out of ideas and is peddling excuses. I can't remember the last time a manager moaned so much, he's either moaning that he doesn't have full control of the club, "speak to Levy I'm just a coach", or he's moaning that players have different agendas in the squad.

It seems quite clear to me it's his responsibility to improve the players, keep them focused etc. It also seems that certain players are only looking to leave because of Poch. As I said, Poch is the problem rather than the solution.

If it was just a matter of Poch sounding off in the press, and ruffling a few feathers in the squad, but he kept getting results and performances no one would really care as much, but when it's on top of the fact that our players are all to a man regressing performance wise and he's making bizarre selections, stupid formations and terrible in game management, well it's not good enough.

Poch needs to focus on coaching and managing the team. It doesn't really matter though because he will be gone soon.

Do you remember what it felt to watch a well coached Spurs side? It was quite a long time ago.

I question your energy for picking holes in everyone's posts but never really saying anything of substance yourself.