Paulinho

[jezz]

Luka Modric is a completely different kettle of fish. At the time we were competing with Chelsea quite fiercely and Modric was a guy who we desperately wanted to keep. For all the people asking to give Paulinho time, what if Levy and the board actually believe that we've bought a dud (wouldn't be the 1st time hey?) now say they have the chance to get rid of the dud at a profit whilst sweetening a deal to take a player from Chelsea that would be seen as a great fit for our club. We get a great player with tremendous sell on value, we dump a dummy for a profit to a team that we supposedly hate. Not beyond the realms of possibility either.

For the record I would sell Paulinho to anyone that would give us our money back, yes he may have the ability but he has the heart of a pea and is never going to make a great Premier league player................... Just my onion of course

Dud who scored 8 goals in his first season.
My kind of dud

 

[DaSpurs]

Dud who scored 8 goals in his first season.
My kind of dud

Anyone who has been unimpressed with him this season, including myself, would be an undebatable fool to suggest he doesn't have an uncanny knack for a BTB midfielder for finding good spaces in the box. Unfortunately, his shooting ability has prevented that goal count from being what should be a higher number per that gift he has, and he also doesn't contribute much in terms of creating space for others in the box with his passing into the box as a more complete BTB would.

I agree with you though that "dud" is an undeserved term. "Unimpressive" is my take, and on that basis I look forward to seeing what the new manager will do with the situation, including both if it's either selling him for his value for a more suitable option likely with change to spare or getting the most from Paulinho via coaching and making necessary improvements by generating funds elsewhere.

 

[E17yid]

Anyone who has been unimpressed with him this season, including myself, would be an undebatable fool to suggest he doesn't have an uncanny knack for a BTB midfielder for finding good spaces in the box. Unfortunately, his shooting ability has prevented that goal count from being what should be a higher number per that gift he has, and he also doesn't contribute much in terms of creating space for others in the box with his passing into the box as a more complete BTB would.

I agree with you though that "dud" is an undeserved term. "Unimpressive" is my take, and on that basis I look forward to seeing what the new manager will do with the situation, including both if it's either selling him for his value for a more suitable option likely with change to spare or getting the most from Paulinho via coaching and making necessary improvements by generating funds elsewhere.

I love Modric as a player but when you look at his goal tally compared to say Scholes, or even Paulinho, it's not what it should be

 

[DaSpurs]

I love Modric as a player but when you look at his goal tally compared to say Scholes, or even Paulinho, it's not what it should be

Indeed that is true, but then again they're two very different kinds of midfielders. Paulinho is a BTB style CM with a good ability of finding space in the opponent's box (but unfortunately rather poor shooting ability), while Modric is a DLP and the "assister to the assister" type. If Paulinho could improve on some of the tenets of his game such as vertical passing, range of quality passing, incisive movements, aggression, and shooting ability, he'd be an incredible player. But as of right now, I feel the player in his position should be dictating play and team position far more than he does both for us and Brazil. Would like to see more from him if we're to keep him.

 

[Khilari]

I really like Paulinho - I'm probably more of a fan because my expectations of him in his first season here were minimal. Coming from S America many players take a season or so to adapt. But in the games he's played when I've been a WHL (about 10) he's looked really good. His play is quite different to Modric but some of it has a similar effect - he keeps possession whilst driving us forward. When he comes on he has periods when he's quiet but also flashes where he looks simply better then every other player on the pitch.

I look forward to seeing more from him next season

 

[cosmund]

I really like Paulinho - I'm probably more of a fan because my expectations of him in his first season here were minimal. Coming from S America many players take a season or so to adapt. But in the games he's played when I've been a WHL (about 10) he's looked really good. His play is quite different to Modric but some of it has a similar effect - he keeps possession whilst driving us forward. When he comes on he has periods when he's quiet but also flashes where he looks simply better then every other player on the pitch.

I look forward to seeing more from him next season

agreed. suarez wasn't that good in his 1st PL season either (looked shit alongside andy carroll). paulinho is a really good player under scolari's brazilian int. team, which they had a similar playing 4231 style with what avb endorsed - highline defense+inward wingers+solid skillful midfield+pressing... avb failed scoring, but imagine if we got hulk/willian/even bernard, i bet we would be much better than the wingers we have on hand (lennon/townsend/siggy/chadli,etc.). brazil int. side also has neymar, while we lost bale last summer. the admired system collapsed and avb wasn't able to find a way to come across with, so avb is out.

great-manager sherwood plays 2xB2B which made us look shite in the midfield, many of the time got outnumbered (bentelab turnovers a lot and dembele dribbles too much makes the case worse). and when eriksen comes in from the left, rose lacks covered and our left-side is terribly exposed. with no dm covers and the stupid high-ish line coached by tim, the left center back needs to cover a huge defensive area and could make silly mistakes easily leads to goal. that's one of the reasons why we looked bad in the midfield area. wrong approach.

All these suggest we are not having appropriate system with whoever we have. it does not mean any of these players (including rose, paulinho, chadli, etc.) were crap. the fact is we have not been doing the right thing to glue them together. I strongly believe with a proper manager/head coach imposing an appropriate method, the players we have on hand will shine and we have a decent enough squad to challenge for top 4.

and please bloody allow lamela to get away from his bullshit back injury. he is the one who was supposed to fill bale's vacancy! apparently he hasn't played enough for us.

 

[Barry Mead]

Paulinho has had something of an up and down season which is I guess what you want in a box to box midfielder but not I'm talking form wise. That said new team, new league, unsettled team never quite getting their game together, a couple of injuries and maybe none too happy about the way things have panned out changing managers, missing CL he hasn't had a bad season
I just can't help thinking how good a season he might have had had we still had Luka Modric in the team. We badly lacked off the ball runners looking to give him passing options and to me that is Paulinho's biggest strength, he's not the greatest passer and he's not a dribbler but he can keep up with the ball and find pockets of space to provide a passing option and to make late runs looking to get in goalscoring positions in the box
I don't think the fault this season has been so much with Paulinho but with our lack of a player or two in the team to really utilise the quality he has

 

[Ron Burgundy]

Paulinho has had something of an up and down season which is I guess what you want in a box to box midfielder but not I'm talking form wise. That said new team, new league, unsettled team never quite getting their game together, a couple of injuries and maybe none too happy about the way things have panned out changing managers, missing CL he hasn't had a bad season
I just can't help thinking how good a season he might have had had we still had Luka Modric in the team. We badly lacked off the ball runners looking to give him passing options and to me that is Paulinho's biggest strength, he's not the greatest passer and he's not a dribbler but he can keep up with the ball and find pockets of space to provide a passing option and to make late runs looking to get in goalscoring positions in the box
I don't think the fault this season has been so much with Paulinho but with our lack of a player or two in the team to really utilise the quality he has

I agree with this, and I think it's symptomatic of our general buying policy. We appear to have bought a bunch of very good players, just not ones that complement each other (as in "bring the best out of", rather than "You look really handsome today Roberto" i.e. compliment).

Soldado is a good example of someone who I do think is a talented player, but arguably in the wrong league and certainly not used to (or playing to) his potential last year.

I do feel that with the right manager (absolutely no idea who that is - all the options have their very obvious issues IMO) there's a very good team in there someone, but it'll take time and effort to bring it out.

 

[markieboy]

The positive about Paulinho is that he has a very good knack of finding space in the box.
The negatives about Paulinho are...........he doesn't have great vision,he doesn't work hard enough defensively for the team,his shooting is very erratic and his first touch,especially for a Brazilian,is at times simply shocking.

He also has a very nice smile.

 

[Gbspurs]

I think to judge any play playing their first season in a new country, which happens to be one of the most competitive leagues in the world, under 2 different managers with different tactical approaches, is madness.

Lets see what he does next season. For what it's worth I still think that this time next year we will think he is one of the best midfielders in the league.

 

[ardiles]

He's a B2B player and needs lots of energy to do that. He has looked knackered at times and I believe it's partly because he hasn't had a proper break last summer due to his involvement in the Confeds Cup. It'll probably be the same case next season if he doesn't get enough rest due to the World Cup especially so, as I expect Brazil to last through to the finals.

 

[loaderspurs]

Very positive quotes from Paulie today, indicating he's gonna knuckle down and stay?

"I don't have a problem. If you look I was on the field in more than half of games if you consider Europa league and cups. There's no big issue with this, but a footballer always wants to be playing, never resting. We brazilians are like this. I know how to handle my career and it'll take more than just one bad moment before I reconsider my options. We have all got responsibilities at tottenham and we are ready to go through this"

 

[Gedson100]

Very positive quotes from Paulie today, indicating he's gonna knuckle down and stay?

"I don't have a problem. If you look I was on the field in more than half of games if you consider Europa league and cups. There's no big issue with this, but a footballer always wants to be playing, never resting. We brazilians are like this. I know how to handle my career and it'll take more than just one bad moment before I reconsider my options. We have all got responsibilities at tottenham and we are ready to go through this"

Like a lot.

Too many have been quick to give up on this guy & maybe he did hold a bit back with the World Cup in mind, but we do not need to be selling international stars; never a good plan.

 

[DaSpurs]

My good gentlemen, I'm going to try and make this very clear since it seems the majority of you are misunderstanding the case some of us have against his remaining at Spurs:

We haven't "given up on him" or declared him a "crap player," we've simply questioned or stated that he isn't worth the kind of value he's worth to keep hold of due to being unimpressed. Provided he has a good World Cup, it's very possible a variety of suitors including ones outside of the league come in with bids, and with very favorable ones. With bids Levy would accept of 20+ mil, we're merely saying that we would take cash for each of our own variety of reasons. In my own opinion, for that amount I think we could find a more suitable replacement in Europe and with cash to spare for other areas of need.

So once again, not saying he's crap, simply that I'm not sure he'll ever merit that kind of value given his style of play and abilities shown both for us and Brazil, and if we received a good offer I'd take it for the sake of general squad improvement.

 

[dannythomas]

In a season where we had 3 wingers who didn't score, a 26 m striker who couldn't , an alternative box to box midfielder ( Dembele who hardly ever does , a young all purpose midfielder ( Bentaleb ) who didn't either, we were indebted to the goals from Eriksen and Paulinho. Their goals will be equally important next year and Paulinho will do better as an advanced midfielder with a seasons experience and a DM behind him so he can get into those scoring situations more often. Selling him wouldn't make sense. I would say let's lose Lennon, Townsend, Dembele and Sigurdsson rather than Paulinho.

 

[chinaman]

Would keep Townsend to see if Poch can transform him.

 

[TheAmerican]

Very positive quotes from Paulie today, indicating he's gonna knuckle down and stay?

"I don't have a problem. If you look I was on the field in more than half of games if you consider Europa league and cups. There's no big issue with this, but a footballer always wants to be playing, never resting. We brazilians are like this. I know how to handle my career and it'll take more than just one bad moment before I reconsider my options. We have all got responsibilities at tottenham and we are ready to go through this"

Everyone who has popped up with quotes in the last few weeks has included themselves in the "we" of Tottenham. It is quite enjoyable to read. It is great to think that we may actually have a well-connected squad, who want to play for each other and the team.

 

[melih69]

Everyone who has popped up with quotes in the last few weeks has included themselves in the "we" of Tottenham. It is quite enjoyable to read. It is great to think that we may actually have a well-connected squad, who want to play for each other and the team.

i think the squad might have unified a bit under Tim, i mean, as in with each other due to the incompetence of our manager. maybe they've been telling each other "let's ride the wave, wait for the new manager to come in and see how it goes after that".

let's hope so anyway.

 

[SpurSince57]

In a season where we had 3 wingers who didn't score, a 26 m striker who couldn't , an alternative box to box midfielder ( Dembele who hardly ever does , a young all purpose midfielder ( Bentaleb ) who didn't either, we were indebted to the goals from Eriksen and Paulinho. Their goals will be equally important next year and Paulinho will do better as an advanced midfielder with a seasons experience and a DM behind him so he can get into those scoring situations more often. Selling him wouldn't make sense. I would say let's lose Lennon, Townsend, Dembele and Sigurdsson rather than Paulinho.

He got into plenty of scoring situations last season—54 attempts, according to the Telegraph. The problem was that he was extremely wasteful of them; Sigurdsson, with half as many, scored five goals to Paulinho's six. He also created almost as many chances, 15 to 20—another area where Paulinho's got to improve.

Paulinho's had an OK season, certainly good enough to justify another season, but no more.

 

[dagraham]

He got into plenty of scoring situations last season—54 attempts, according to the Telegraph. The problem was that he was extremely wasteful of them; Sigurdsson, with half as many, scored five goals to Paulinho's six. He also created almost as many chances, 15 to 20—another area where Paulinho's got to improve.

Paulinho's had an OK season, certainly good enough to justify another season, but no more.

Agree. When we signed him and were told we were getting a true goal scoring midfielder I was shocked to find that his shooting was so poor. Also, his first touch and passing ability for a Brazilian international leave a lot to be desired ( I know you could say the same about Sandro but his role is completely different).

Paulinho is a Martin Peters/David Platt type player. He contributes very little but for that not to be an issue he needs to be scoring a lot more to make up for that lack of contribution imo.