Paulinho

[cosmund]

Agree. When we signed him and were told we were getting a true goal scoring midfielder I was shocked to find that his shooting was so poor. Also, his first touch and passing ability for a Brazilian international leave a lot to be desired ( I know you could say the same about Sandro but his role is completely different).

Paulinho is a Martin Peters/David Platt type player. He contributes very little but for that not to be an issue he needs to be scoring a lot more to make up for that lack of contribution imo.

I hope he would contribute a lot more in Poch's pressing games.

 

[Monkey boy]

Everyone who has popped up with quotes in the last few weeks has included themselves in the "we" of Tottenham. It is quite enjoyable to read. It is great to think that we may actually have a well-connected squad, who want to play for each other and the team.

You mean we is us? Oh AVB what you like?

 

[dannythomas]

He got into plenty of scoring situations last season—54 attempts, according to the Telegraph. The problem was that he was extremely wasteful of them; Sigurdsson, with half as many, scored five goals to Paulinho's six. He also created almost as many chances, 15 to 20—another area where Paulinho's got to improve.

Paulinho's had an OK season, certainly good enough to justify another season, but no more.

I agree with the last part but that still makes him probably our second best new signing ! It takes time but he will get there. With us I hope. I knew someone would make a comparison with Sigurdsson and SS57 I should have known you would use all the statistical data to back it up ! Lies, damned Lies and Statistics ... Out of interest how many attempts and chances created did Soldado have ?

I think that there is a difference . Sigurdsson seems to me to do best as a sub because to be honest apart from his goals he basically takes up space and adversely affects the team pattern. So the less time he is on the pitch the better. Paulinho could definitely contribute a whole lot more to the team pattern but unlike Sigurdsson you do feel the potential is there to do that. As for the statistics you could argue that these are very subjective. Is a shot from outside the box a scoring situation ? Most of Paulinho's goals are inside or just outside the 6 yard box whereas for the most part the only strength Sig has is that he strikes the ball well from further out. And what is a chance created ? Are half chances included ? A speculative cross into the box ?

 

[chinaman]

I think Paulinho's contribution is much more subtle than what meets the eyes. It is his ability to lose his marker either through his well-timed runs or his pseudo inability with the ball leading to opponents lack of regard for him that lead to his goals.

Sir Alf Ramsey said Martin Peters was 10 years ahead of his time when he questioned why Peters was playing for England, and he had the same ability as Paulinho which few saw before the 66 WC Final.

With a creator like Eriksen and a ball winner Sandro with him in a middle 3, and with him getting a better understanding of our strikers' movements, Paulinho would cause much more havoc to the opposition next season and his goal tally should reach something like 15 to 20.

 

[dagraham]

I think Paulinho's contribution is much more subtle than what meets the eyes. It is his ability to lose his marker either through his well-timed runs or his pseudo inability with the ball leading to opponents lack of regard for him that lead to his goals.

Sir Alf Ramsey said Martin Peters was 10 years ahead of his time when he questioned why Peters was playing for England, and he had the same ability as Paulinho which few saw before the 66 WC Final.

With a creator like Eriksen and a ball winner Sandro with him in a middle 3, and with him getting a better understanding of our strikers' movements, Paulinho would cause much more havoc to the opposition next season and his goal tally should reach something like 15 to 20.

I made the same comparison with Martin Peters and David Platt in a post above. As you say though, Peters score a lot of goals at crucial times.

I think Paulinho can definitely ghost into those positions but from what I've seen of him this season he is actually quite a poor finisher and can't really shoot. He should have score a lot more this season and I'm not convinced he could get 15-20 goals.

I suppose though if he can pop up unmarked from 6 yards then he can't really miss.

 

[SpurSince57]

I agree with the last part but that still makes him probably our second best new signing ! It takes time but he will get there. With us I hope. I knew someone would make a comparison with Sigurdsson and SS57 I should have known you would use all the statistical data to back it up ! Lies, damned Lies and Statistics ... Out of interest how many attempts and chances created did Soldado have ?

I think that there is a difference . Sigurdsson seems to me to do best as a sub because to be honest apart from his goals he basically takes up space and adversely affects the team pattern. So the less time he is on the pitch the better. Paulinho could definitely contribute a whole lot more to the team pattern but unlike Sigurdsson you do feel the potential is there to do that. As for the statistics you could argue that these are very subjective. Is a shot from outside the box a scoring situation ? Most of Paulinho's goals are inside or just outside the 6 yard box whereas for the most part the only strength Sig has is that he strikes the ball well from further out. And what is a chance created ? Are half chances included ? A speculative cross into the box ?

Sigurdsson had 1275 minutes on the pitch, 28 shots, 15 on target, 5 goals (17.9%); 15 attempts created, 0 assists. Paulinho had 2381 minutes, 54 shots, 25 on target, 6 goals (11%); 20 attempts created, 2 assists. Soldado: 1931 minutes, 50 shots, 16 on target, 6 goals (12%); 24 attempts created, 5 assists.

Bear in mind that Soldado's goals include four penalties. Exclude those and his figures go from poor to a complete joke.

As far as I'm concerned, Sigurdsson's been one of our most disappointing signings. I really did expect a lot more, and I'm sure I'm not alone. I certainly agree that Paulinho's shown signs that he has a whole lot more under the bonnet, but so far he's hardly looked worth his fee. What we've had is a sort of upgraded Jenas who has no inhibitions about getting stuck in.

 

[yanno]

Below are some quotes from Scolari and Paulinho when the latter was still a Corinthians player, last summer. Of course Scolari has recently insisted Paulinho will be starting for Brazil in the World Cup.

Clearly Scolari sees him as an intelligent team player who will adapt to the movement and runs of teammates, eg covering for Dani Alves when he bursts forward, and who also possesses a goal threat from midfield.

We've only seen glimpses of this at Spurs, but The Times is suggesting Chavski, Roma and Milan are willing to pay £30 million for the "Brazilian Lampard".

If Brazil win the WC with Paulinho being an integral part of the team, the "World Cup premium" might add another £5-10 million to the price tag. For me, the question then for Poch would be: is Paulinho a key part of your team, or would you rather have £30-40 million to spend on other top players that better fit the system you intend to play?

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Coach Luiz Felipe Scolari puts a great emphasis on that very mission, however, and his chosen midfield duo did their utmost to repay Felipão’s faith in Brazil’s opening FIFA Confederations Cup 2013 clash against Japan – rigorously carrying out his tactical instructions and bringing balance and authority to the centre of the park.

“Felipão’s been talking to us a lot about getting that balance right,” said Paulinho, when speaking to FIFA.com. “He insists that first and foremost we have to defend really well, to provide back-up for the defensive line,” added the Corinthians man, a player typically concise in interview and who, for the moment at least, remains better-known in Brazil than abroad.

And though defensive solidity is the main priority with the national team, at club level with O Timão in recent years Paulinho has also caught the eye thanks to the exquisite timing of his runs into goalscoring positions. Quick, leggy and a cool finisher, Paulinho is always a threat in and around the opposing box and, though Scolari has not forbidden his forward raids, he has to pick his moments carefully.

“Paulinho is free to go forward when it’s right for the team for him to go,” explained Felipão. “At club level, very often, the full-back on his side overlaps significantly less. But in this team we’ve got a player [in Dani Alves] who goes forward an awful lot, so he [Paulinho] needs to cover for him, which is something he knows how to do. Here with A Seleção things are different, he needs to be able to adapt to the characteristics of the players around him.”

These lessons appear to have sunk in. In the 3-0 win against the Asian champions, Paulinho did his bit to ensure the team kept a clean sheet as well as popping up in the area to fire Brazil’s second goal. “Am I allowed to attack? Whenever I’m given enough license, I’ll always look to go forward,” said the Corintiano stalwart. “What’s more, [by doing that] I got an important goal today.”

http://www.fifa.com/confederationscup/news/newsid=2111604/

 

[THFCSPURS19]

http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896...ttenham?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Nice new quotes from Paul. I really don't want us to sell him...

 

[vonn]

http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896...ttenham?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Nice new quotes from Paul. I really don't want us to sell him...

He just tweeted this :

Paulinho ‏@paulinhop8 15m
@SpursOfficial COYS THFC

Replying to this tweet :

Tottenham Hotspur ‏@SpursOfficial 4h
International image: @paulinhop8 at a pre-World Cup training session with Brazil this week. pic.twitter.com/IzETSXeHcp

 

[0-Tibsy-0]

He just tweeted this :

Paulinho ‏@paulinhop8 15m
@SpursOfficial COYS THFC

Replying to this tweet :

Tottenham Hotspur ‏@SpursOfficial 4h
International image: @paulinhop8 at a pre-World Cup training session with Brazil this week. pic.twitter.com/IzETSXeHcp

Just came to post this, looks like he wants to be here. Genuinely think he is going to prove his doubters wrong here, he has a lot of quality.

Good stuff.

 

[WiganSpur]

Yet another player that could very well benefit from good coaching- along with Lamela, Townsend, Holtby, Soldado, Walker and Chadli. This is the main reason why I think we brought Pochettino in. If he can really develop half of these players then we could start to look like a very impressive side.

 

[Mr Pink]

I'd be absolutely pissed off if we sold him this summer.

I think he's going to be a big player for us and his erratic performances this season have been down to several factors:

1) finding his feet in a new league
2) also being integrated with a lot of other new faces which makes it even trickier to settle as the team hadn't an established framework to simply slot into
3) the change in managers who were completely different
4) regularly played in a position/set up that didn't get the best out of him
5)_ word cup year in his homeland

That's a fuck load of mitigation right there I'd say, and he still popped up with a good few goals and should of have plenty more with better finishing.

I saw enough to know that this guy has serious ability at finding space in and around the box and has excellent timing and instincts.

He clearly has talent, and under Pochettino we'll probably see the true value of him.

 

[Franchise60]

No doubt he has huge talent. I think most people's issue with him was effort though and not ability. Charlie Adam certainly didn't help his season with that ludicrous tackle.

Don't want to sell him this summer. Only way I'd sell him now is if it got us someone like Lukaku, otherwise we should see how he does under a good coach.

I have questions if he can play in the double pivot in Poch's system, but we could end up seeing him more advanced in the midfield 3, especially if Eriksen plays more of a free Lallana role from the left.

Either way, think he can be a big player for us next season and hoping for the best with him. And that's coming from a big critic of him this past season

 

[vonn]

Paulinho ‏@paulinhop8 1m
@SpursOfficial we are together. COYS!

in response to

Tottenham Hotspur ‏@SpursOfficial 5h
International image: @paulinhop8 all smiles at pre-World Cup training with Brazil yesterday. pic.twitter.com/oIn7UUun7v

 

[0-Tibsy-0]

Paulinho ‏@paulinhop8 1m
@SpursOfficial we are together. COYS!

in response to

Tottenham Hotspur ‏@SpursOfficial 5h
International image: @paulinhop8 all smiles at pre-World Cup training with Brazil yesterday. pic.twitter.com/oIn7UUun7v

I like this. He's gunna show how much of a cracking little player he is.

 

[spurs9]

He just tweeted this :

Paulinho ‏@paulinhop8 15m
@SpursOfficial COYS THFC

Replying to this tweet :

Tottenham Hotspur ‏@SpursOfficial 4h
International image: @paulinhop8 at a pre-World Cup training session with Brazil this week. pic.twitter.com/IzETSXeHcp

It seems like a lot of players that looked/was speculation about being unhappy are doing a u-turn. That is great to see.

 

[ajspurs]

Just seen that the Brazil vs Serbia game is on BT Sport 1. Paulinho is starting for those interested.

I've for the large part struggled to see why Paulinho had been so highly rated going on his performances with us so I'm eager to see how he performs with Brazil.

EDIT: Woops sorry, didn't know this was the Transfer Rumours thread, will put in the Spurs Chat one!

 

[Barry Mead]

The trouble with a lot of our new signings was not the players we signed but the players we didn't. We wanted Pjanic, Willian and Coentrao and I can imagine we would have seen far more of what Paulinho is all about had we signed Pjanic and got far more goals from Bobby if we had signed him and Willian
If anyone can imagine how well Paulinho would have worked with Modric I think it shows his game. Modric was crying out for a player to make all the runs off the ball and find space to give him that extra passing option and particularly there for the late run into the box
I'm looking forward to next season because hopefully we will fill the weak spots and then we'll really start to see why we bought the likes of Soldado, Paulinho and Lamela. I think everyone has seen that Eriksen can be a key player and Capoue's pre injury games already showed that he could be an excellent midfield option even if he didn't get much opportunity to show it after coming back from injury

 

[DaSpurs]

The trouble with a lot of our new signings was not the players we signed but the players we didn't. We wanted Pjanic, Willian and Coentrao and I can imagine we would have seen far more of what Paulinho is all about had we signed Pjanic and got far more goals from Bobby if we had signed him and Willian
If anyone can imagine how well Paulinho would have worked with Modric I think it shows his game. Modric was crying out for a player to make all the runs off the ball and find space to give him that extra passing option and particularly there for the late run into the box
I'm looking forward to next season because hopefully we will fill the weak spots and then we'll really start to see why we bought the likes of Soldado, Paulinho and Lamela. I think everyone has seen that Eriksen can be a key player and Capoue's pre injury games already showed that he could be an excellent midfield option even if he didn't get much opportunity to show it after coming back from injury

The prospect of Paulinho alongside Modrić is an interesting idea. It forgoes a defensive shielding player, but I think the possession and space it would have created may have been a sufficient shield.

You make a great point overall, but I'm not sure we ever would have gotten all of Pjanić, Willian, and Coentrao if they were all even willing to come (hell I don't think the last one was ever really an actual prospect). So while I agree we didn't quite get the right personnel, it's also important to note we didn't get the right balance. I think it says it all that we saw Bale go inverted, played players out of position on the LW, sold Bale, and then despite having Lennon and Townsend returning from a successful Prem loan, bought another RW for close to 30 mil from Serie A while buying one LW in the summer that was a "bargain buy" from the Eredivisie. Just a ludicrous idea to me, regardless of now how much I hope Lamela comes good to us. Just a terribly mismanaged situation last summer with the most amount of money we'd ever have relatively in a summer.

 

[Barry Mead]

The prospect of Paulinho alongside Modrić is an interesting idea. It forgoes a defensive shielding player, but I think the possession and space it would have created may have been a sufficient shield.

You make a great point overall, but I'm not sure we ever would have gotten all of Pjanić, Willian, and Coentrao if they were all even willing to come (hell I don't think the last one was ever really an actual prospect). So while I agree we didn't quite get the right personnel, it's also important to note we didn't get the right balance. I think it says it all that we saw Bale go inverted, played players out of position on the LW, sold Bale, and then despite having Lennon and Townsend returning from a successful Prem loan, bought another RW for close to 30 mil from Serie A while buying one LW in the summer that was a "bargain buy" from the Eredivisie. Just a ludicrous idea to me, regardless of now how much I hope Lamela comes good to us. Just a terribly mismanaged situation last summer with the most amount of money we'd ever have relatively in a summer.

For sure in some ways it's less about individuals than balance, although the quality of the individuals and their ability to play their specific role well and how well they link with the other players is a big factor in how well a balanced team will play. The problem is lack of balance can impact even the best of players, like a jigsaw is a jigsaw with three or four pieces missing, it doesn't become the picture. The sad thing is that had we managed to get three decent players in playmaker, aml and lb positions and not the specific players we tried for we would no doubt still have had a far better season and be looking forward to CL this coming season. Of course equally I understand that it's not always a simple matter of getting b or c choices when you fail to get prime targets and then if you do it might mean that you spent the money so can't afford the upgrade if opportunity arises.
In some ways it was unfortunate that we didn't have adequate players already to fill those positions, we could have done with maybe less midfielders but you have to get the players you want when you can
Lets hope this summer we can find the final pieces of the jigsaw