Player Watch - Carlos Vinícius

[fuzzylogic]

My opinion of him has somehow gone up even more now that I know he's left footed. There's something about lefties, not sure what it is.

when I played an ex pro said the same thing about lefties, said they have better striking technique to watch. I didn’t get it myself but I’m a leftie as well

 

[fridgemagnet]

when I played an ex pro said the same thing about lefties, said they have better striking technique to watch. I didn’t get it myself but I’m a leftie as well

It's something I've never quite understood that when clubs sign academy players at a really young age why don't they do drills for their weaker foot? e.g basic shooting drills for every one shot you take one with your "natural foot" then three with the other.

It's always seemed odd to me that at pro level they rarely seem to train to be two footed.

Look at O'Sullivan in snooker he's almost as good left handed as he is right handed, he had a bit of natural ambidexterity but he had to work at it to become as great with it that he doesn't even have to think about it now.

What I'm getting at is it's obviously physically and mentally possible that it's a surprise to me more top pro's aren't two footed.

 

[soup]

Its a promotional clip for our new striker they are hardly going to show the ones the keeper saves!!

This shouldn't even need saying, but well said. If Hart doesn't save them then he's shit, or if Carlos doesn't score them then he's shit. I do wonder why some people look at everything through shit tinted glasses. It must be such hard work.

 

[mil1lion]

It doesn’t excite me when I see Vini gliding past Ledley and scoring past Hart. I think even Soldado could do that.

Soldado would have put it wide

 

[Neon_Knight_]

when I played an ex pro said the same thing about lefties, said they have better striking technique to watch. I didn’t get it myself but I’m a leftie as well

There's probably logic to the average left-footed player having a more developed dominant foot than the average right-footed player has - therefore striking technique for shooting, crossing, long passes and defensive clearances would be better on average.

If we think in terms of young developing players:
Left-footed players, as a minority of the population (only 10%), will generally be given a fair amount of playing time out on the left flank, with limited expectation or reason to work on their right foot. Right-footed players (90% of population) often have to fill in on the left because of a lack of left-footers, so tend to be less one-footed, at the expense of not developing their right foot as much.
This will even impact players in very central roles - e.g. a left-footed CB will always play LCB, whereas a right-footed CB will often not play at RCB (a LCB will generally need to use their left foot for clearances and passes, even if right-footed, as most need to be directed towards the left flank).
Even in situations where a right-footed player is using their dominant foot from the left side, they will be adapting their technique rather than practising and developing the technique that would be used from the right side.
Due to the relative shortage of lefties, there's a temptation for coaches to treat them as 'special' (more attention / input) - this can result in lefties getting away with being overly one-footed in situations where their right-footed teammates would have been hammered by the coach. If a coach takes a group of lefties to work on something specific, the group is likely to be smaller than a similar group of right-footers, so they get far more reps.
Most coaches / managers want a left-footer to take direct free-kicks from the right side of goal and right-footers from the left side. For free-kicks to the left of goal, there could be a long queue, so very few opportunities per player (or one hogging them and everyone else missing out entirely). For free-kicks to the right of goal, there will often only be one or two lefties on the pitch to take them, so they get massively more opportunities.

Here's my experience in youth football:
I was comfortable anywhere on the right flank, but invariably found myself competing and training at LB / LWB, because we only had one leftie in the team and I was less bad with my left foot than most of our players.
For set pieces that required a right-footer, I wasn't at the top of the pecking order, so got minimal practice in match situations. The one lefty got to take 100% of the set pieces that required a left-footer. Even in crossing / set-piece drills, we'd often have right-footers taking turns while the lefty took every turn from their side (lefty gets 50% of total reps, while half a dozen players share the other 50%). The lefty was clearly worse than me at set pieces (almost certainly had a lower ceiling), but ended up better because he got 5-10 times more practice.
At LB/LWB, I initially had to awkwardly switch the ball to my right foot for clearances and cut back to cross. Over time I became more comfortable with my left foot and stopped using my right as much (became more two-footed but at the expense of fully developing my right foot). I also had to work on dribbling with my left foot (to beat players on the outside, rather than cutting inside and running into a CM / CB).
By the time I was 16 or 17, I was equally comfortable passing with either foot within a 20-yard range. I still had more power with my right, but not more accuracy or control. From inside the box (or in five-a-side), I don't even think about which foot I'm shooting with any more - I use whichever the ball falls to. From range, I lack the power to beat the keeper with my left (even if I put it right in the corner), so I'm still reliant on my right foot in those situations. That's no different to most people...except my right foot is nowhere near as developed as it would be had I played on the right as a kid.

My experience is a relatively extreme example, but a large proportion of right-footed players would experience this to a lesser degree. Conversely, I don't recall a lefty playing out of position on the right ever...only when a manager makes a tactical decision to play inverse wingers (and then expects them to cut in and shoot a lot, with minimal expectation to attempt right-footed crosses).

 

[spids]

You do not often see a top player taking important penalties with different feet on different days. That would be the true sign of genuine two footer. One thing that really struck me at the time as special was when Andreas Brehme (West Germany's left back and predominantly left footed) took a penalty right footed five minutes form time to win the 1990 world cup final!

 

[hughy]

This shouldn't even need saying, but well said. If Hart doesn't save them then he's shit, or if Carlos doesn't score them then he's shit. I do wonder why some people look at everything through shit tinted glasses. It must be such hard work.

This post is shit, but then again my post quoting your post to tell you its shit is also shit so what do I know?

 

[BringBack_leGin]

There's probably logic to the average left-footed player having a more developed dominant foot than the average right-footed player has - therefore striking technique for shooting, crossing, long passes and defensive clearances would be better on average.

If we think in terms of young developing players:
Left-footed players, as a minority of the population (only 10%), will generally be given a fair amount of playing time out on the left flank, with limited expectation or reason to work on their right foot. Right-footed players (90% of population) often have to fill in on the left because of a lack of left-footers, so tend to be less one-footed, at the expense of not developing their right foot as much.
This will even impact players in very central roles - e.g. a left-footed CB will always play LCB, whereas a right-footed CB will often not play at RCB (a LCB will generally need to use their left foot for clearances and passes, even if right-footed, as most need to be directed towards the left flank).
Even in situations where a right-footed player is using their dominant foot from the left side, they will be adapting their technique rather than practising and developing the technique that would be used from the right side.
Due to the relative shortage of lefties, there's a temptation for coaches to treat them as 'special' (more attention / input) - this can result in lefties getting away with being overly one-footed in situations where their right-footed teammates would have been hammered by the coach. If a coach takes a group of lefties to work on something specific, the group is likely to be smaller than a similar group of right-footers, so they get far more reps.
Most coaches / managers want a left-footer to take direct free-kicks from the right side of goal and right-footers from the left side. For free-kicks to the left of goal, there could be a long queue, so very few opportunities per player (or one hogging them and everyone else missing out entirely). For free-kicks to the right of goal, there will often only be one or two lefties on the pitch to take them, so they get massively more opportunities.

Here's my experience in youth football:
I was comfortable anywhere on the right flank, but invariably found myself competing and training at LB / LWB, because we only had one leftie in the team and I was less bad with my left foot than most of our players.
For set pieces that required a right-footer, I wasn't at the top of the pecking order, so got minimal practice in match situations. The one lefty got to take 100% of the set pieces that required a left-footer. Even in crossing / set-piece drills, we'd often have right-footers taking turns while the lefty took every turn from their side (lefty gets 50% of total reps, while half a dozen players share the other 50%). The lefty was clearly worse than me at set pieces (almost certainly had a lower ceiling), but ended up better because he got 5-10 times more practice.
At LB/LWB, I initially had to awkwardly switch the ball to my right foot for clearances and cut back to cross. Over time I became more comfortable with my left foot and stopped using my right as much (became more two-footed but at the expense of fully developing my right foot). I also had to work on dribbling with my left foot (to beat players on the outside, rather than cutting inside and running into a CM / CB).
By the time I was 16 or 17, I was equally comfortable passing with either foot within a 20-yard range. I still had more power with my right, but not more accuracy or control. From inside the box (or in five-a-side), I don't even think about which foot I'm shooting with any more - I use whichever the ball falls to. From range, I lack the power to beat the keeper with my left (even if I put it right in the corner), so I'm still reliant on my right foot in those situations. That's no different to most people...except my right foot is nowhere near as developed as it would be had I played on the right as a kid.

My experience is a relatively extreme example, but a large proportion of right-footed players would experience this to a lesser degree. Conversely, I don't recall a lefty playing out of position on the right ever...only when a manager makes a tactical decision to play inverse wingers (and then expects them to cut in and shoot a lot, with minimal expectation to attempt right-footed crosses).

That and they’re all witches...

 

[soup]

This post is shit, but then again my post quoting your post to tell you its shit is also shit so what do I know?

Mine was indeed shit and yours was equally, if not a little more shit, so you know we're both pretty shit at posting, and therein lies the unity amongst the negativity and chaos my worthy friend.

 

[EQP]

You do not often see a top player taking important penalties with different feet on different days. That would be the true sign of genuine two footer. One thing that really struck me at the time as special was when Andreas Brehme (West Germany's left back and predominantly left footed) took a penalty right footed five minutes form time to win the 1990 world cup final!

Santi Cazorla and Son are probably the two players who are incredibly comfortable with both feet. I remember seeing Santi take freekicks and corners with both feet.

EDIT: Also Simone Verdi would take freekicks with his left foot but then take penalties with his right foot.

 

[spursgirls]

A nickname for Vinicius.

“We call him Vinigol” – view from Portugal on Carlos Vinicius | Tottenham Hotspur

Last week, Carlos Vinicius completed his loan move from Benfica to N17, but what can we expect from our new man on the pitch?

www.tottenhamhotspur.com

Last week, Carlos Vinicius completed his loan move from Benfica to N17, but what can we expect from our new man on the pitch?
After the striker swapped Lisbon for London, we turned to Tiago Peres Costa of Sport TV – the Premier League broadcast rights-holders in Portugal – to learn a bit more about our new Brazilian forward…

Vinicius’ development
Tiago Peres Costa: “I remember when he played in the youth league in Palmeiras, he was a central defender but towards the end of his time there, the coach asked him to play up front. It was a huge idea, but he started to score goals and, so, became a striker. It's a nice story.
“In 2017, he moved to Portugal to play for Real Sport Clube. He finished his first season as the second highest goalscorer of the Championship with 19 goals – 20 in all competitions – yet, the club was demoted to the third tier after finishing in last position. So, he made a great impact because it’s not normal for a club that was demoted to the third division to have had one of the league’s top scorers. After that immediate impact in Portugal, he was bought by Napoli in Italy, but he never played an official game there, so he returned to Portugal on loan in 2018 to play in the First Division for Rio Ave. He played 20 games and scored 14 goals – another great impact. After Rio Ave, he went to Monaco in Ligue 1, France where it didn’t go too well – he only scored two goals – but Benfica, one of the biggest clubs in Portugal, bought him because the numbers that he had registered previously in Portugal were unbelievable. Last year, in one season there, he scored 24 goals and made 13 assists in all competitions.
“He has a nickname here in Portugal - ‘Vinigoal’. We also knew him as Vinicius - we didn’t call him Carlos. With Vinicius, we called him ‘Vinigoal’ because he scored lots of goals in the teams that he played for in Portugal, so it will be good for Tottenham supporters to start calling him ‘Vinigoal’ – I think he would like it!”

Positioning
Tiago Peres Costa: “He’s a striker, a number nine, a forward with mobility and he has a great left foot. One of the things he can improve on is his work with the right foot but last year, he developed his heading game – he scored many goals with his head. When he arrived in Portugal, he wasn’t so good with his head but now he has developed that part of his game very well.

“He’s only 25 years old. He’s very tall, he’s strong against defenders, he can take and keep the ball very well and combine with the players around him to get them into the area. He’s very good with his left foot - he strikes the ball very well with it."
Expectations
Tiago Peres Costa: “He is a very humble guy yet, even with Benfica being the biggest club in terms of history in Portugal, he arrived and became the top goalscorer at the club in his first season - a huge impact.

“He’s a guy with good confidence. Now he has a Portuguese coach who can talk to him in his language in Jose Mourinho and his technical staff, I think he can improve, especially with the pace and intensity of the Premier League. He is a coach’s player and now he is an adult. When Harry Kane needs to rest, Vinicius can step up and perform the role very well. Whether that be in the Europa League or even a hard game in the Premier League… say if Tottenham are drawing 0-0 with 20 minutes to go, he can play perfectly alongside Kane and it will be a powerful strike force.

“A point in favour for him is he will not be the main striker for Spurs. He will work alongside one of the best forwards in the world in the shape of Harry Kane so we can say that he can only improve. With the players behind him providing him with assists, I think it will be easy for him to score goals for Tottenham. One handicap is that he doesn’t speak English very well, so he will need to improve that but the language of the field, of scoring goals, he knows that very well. I think over the next few seasons, if he continues to improve, he could be called into Brazil’s national team.”

 

[Rosco1984]

There's probably logic to the average left-footed player having a more developed dominant foot than the average right-footed player has - therefore striking technique for shooting, crossing, long passes and defensive clearances would be better on average.

If we think in terms of young developing players:
Left-footed players, as a minority of the population (only 10%), will generally be given a fair amount of playing time out on the left flank, with limited expectation or reason to work on their right foot. Right-footed players (90% of population) often have to fill in on the left because of a lack of left-footers, so tend to be less one-footed, at the expense of not developing their right foot as much.
This will even impact players in very central roles - e.g. a left-footed CB will always play LCB, whereas a right-footed CB will often not play at RCB (a LCB will generally need to use their left foot for clearances and passes, even if right-footed, as most need to be directed towards the left flank).
Even in situations where a right-footed player is using their dominant foot from the left side, they will be adapting their technique rather than practising and developing the technique that would be used from the right side.
Due to the relative shortage of lefties, there's a temptation for coaches to treat them as 'special' (more attention / input) - this can result in lefties getting away with being overly one-footed in situations where their right-footed teammates would have been hammered by the coach. If a coach takes a group of lefties to work on something specific, the group is likely to be smaller than a similar group of right-footers, so they get far more reps.
Most coaches / managers want a left-footer to take direct free-kicks from the right side of goal and right-footers from the left side. For free-kicks to the left of goal, there could be a long queue, so very few opportunities per player (or one hogging them and everyone else missing out entirely). For free-kicks to the right of goal, there will often only be one or two lefties on the pitch to take them, so they get massively more opportunities.

Here's my experience in youth football:
I was comfortable anywhere on the right flank, but invariably found myself competing and training at LB / LWB, because we only had one leftie in the team and I was less bad with my left foot than most of our players.
For set pieces that required a right-footer, I wasn't at the top of the pecking order, so got minimal practice in match situations. The one lefty got to take 100% of the set pieces that required a left-footer. Even in crossing / set-piece drills, we'd often have right-footers taking turns while the lefty took every turn from their side (lefty gets 50% of total reps, while half a dozen players share the other 50%). The lefty was clearly worse than me at set pieces (almost certainly had a lower ceiling), but ended up better because he got 5-10 times more practice.
At LB/LWB, I initially had to awkwardly switch the ball to my right foot for clearances and cut back to cross. Over time I became more comfortable with my left foot and stopped using my right as much (became more two-footed but at the expense of fully developing my right foot). I also had to work on dribbling with my left foot (to beat players on the outside, rather than cutting inside and running into a CM / CB).
By the time I was 16 or 17, I was equally comfortable passing with either foot within a 20-yard range. I still had more power with my right, but not more accuracy or control. From inside the box (or in five-a-side), I don't even think about which foot I'm shooting with any more - I use whichever the ball falls to. From range, I lack the power to beat the keeper with my left (even if I put it right in the corner), so I'm still reliant on my right foot in those situations. That's no different to most people...except my right foot is nowhere near as developed as it would be had I played on the right as a kid.

My experience is a relatively extreme example, but a large proportion of right-footed players would experience this to a lesser degree. Conversely, I don't recall a lefty playing out of position on the right ever...only when a manager makes a tactical decision to play inverse wingers (and then expects them to cut in and shoot a lot, with minimal expectation to attempt right-footed crosses).

I'm a decent cricketer and played a lot and always thought left handers looked more elegant in that as well but one day when I was coaching in South Africa I was in a bar and a game was on tv but I was looking towards the bar looking in the mirror.... Long story short you wouldn't know the difference when you flip the picture round... Identical to any right hander it must be a psychological thing.

 

[Hoddle&Waddle]

The left side of the body is controlled by the right side of the brain (the creative, artistic side).

 

[robertgoulet]

A nickname for Vinicius.

“We call him Vinigol” – view from Portugal on Carlos Vinicius | Tottenham Hotspur

Last week, Carlos Vinicius completed his loan move from Benfica to N17, but what can we expect from our new man on the pitch?

www.tottenhamhotspur.com

Last week, Carlos Vinicius completed his loan move from Benfica to N17, but what can we expect from our new man on the pitch?
After the striker swapped Lisbon for London, we turned to Tiago Peres Costa of Sport TV – the Premier League broadcast rights-holders in Portugal – to learn a bit more about our new Brazilian forward…

Vinicius’ development
Tiago Peres Costa: “I remember when he played in the youth league in Palmeiras, he was a central defender but towards the end of his time there, the coach asked him to play up front. It was a huge idea, but he started to score goals and, so, became a striker. It's a nice story.
“In 2017, he moved to Portugal to play for Real Sport Clube. He finished his first season as the second highest goalscorer of the Championship with 19 goals – 20 in all competitions – yet, the club was demoted to the third tier after finishing in last position. So, he made a great impact because it’s not normal for a club that was demoted to the third division to have had one of the league’s top scorers. After that immediate impact in Portugal, he was bought by Napoli in Italy, but he never played an official game there, so he returned to Portugal on loan in 2018 to play in the First Division for Rio Ave. He played 20 games and scored 14 goals – another great impact. After Rio Ave, he went to Monaco in Ligue 1, France where it didn’t go too well – he only scored two goals – but Benfica, one of the biggest clubs in Portugal, bought him because the numbers that he had registered previously in Portugal were unbelievable. Last year, in one season there, he scored 24 goals and made 13 assists in all competitions.
“He has a nickname here in Portugal - ‘Vinigoal’. We also knew him as Vinicius - we didn’t call him Carlos. With Vinicius, we called him ‘Vinigoal’ because he scored lots of goals in the teams that he played for in Portugal, so it will be good for Tottenham supporters to start calling him ‘Vinigoal’ – I think he would like it!”

Positioning
Tiago Peres Costa: “He’s a striker, a number nine, a forward with mobility and he has a great left foot. One of the things he can improve on is his work with the right foot but last year, he developed his heading game – he scored many goals with his head. When he arrived in Portugal, he wasn’t so good with his head but now he has developed that part of his game very well.

“He’s only 25 years old. He’s very tall, he’s strong against defenders, he can take and keep the ball very well and combine with the players around him to get them into the area. He’s very good with his left foot - he strikes the ball very well with it."
Expectations
Tiago Peres Costa: “He is a very humble guy yet, even with Benfica being the biggest club in terms of history in Portugal, he arrived and became the top goalscorer at the club in his first season - a huge impact.

“He’s a guy with good confidence. Now he has a Portuguese coach who can talk to him in his language in Jose Mourinho and his technical staff, I think he can improve, especially with the pace and intensity of the Premier League. He is a coach’s player and now he is an adult. When Harry Kane needs to rest, Vinicius can step up and perform the role very well. Whether that be in the Europa League or even a hard game in the Premier League… say if Tottenham are drawing 0-0 with 20 minutes to go, he can play perfectly alongside Kane and it will be a powerful strike force.

“A point in favour for him is he will not be the main striker for Spurs. He will work alongside one of the best forwards in the world in the shape of Harry Kane so we can say that he can only improve. With the players behind him providing him with assists, I think it will be easy for him to score goals for Tottenham. One handicap is that he doesn’t speak English very well, so he will need to improve that but the language of the field, of scoring goals, he knows that very well. I think over the next few seasons, if he continues to improve, he could be called into Brazil’s national team.”

Chucky Moët

 

[edson]

Carlos Vinicius' former coach opens up on why he could be a hit at Tottenham - Spurs Web - Tottenham Hotspur Football News

Carlos Vinicius’ former coach at Rio Ave, Jose Gomes has backed the Brazilian to be a hit at Tottenham Hotspur and insisted that he has all the attributes necessary to succeed in English football. There was plenty of excitement among Spurs fans when Tottenham snapped up Vinicius as the club have...

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[philll]

 

[philip]

It's something I've never quite understood that when clubs sign academy players at a really young age why don't they do drills for their weaker foot? e.g basic shooting drills for every one shot you take one with your "natural foot" then three with the other.

It's always seemed odd to me that at pro level they rarely seem to train to be two footed.

Look at O'Sullivan in snooker he's almost as good left handed as he is right handed, he had a bit of natural ambidexterity but he had to work at it to become as great with it that he doesn't even have to think about it now.

What I'm getting at is it's obviously physically and mentally possible that it's a surprise to me more top pro's aren't two footed.

Completely agree. And why they don't train defenders as attackers in set plays. Would teach the defenders to actually attack the ball on the front foot, rather than just react to the opposition attackers.

 

[hughy]

I still can't quite comprehend that this weekend we might have Gareth Bale and a natural striker on the bench, along with our other options. Squad depth is starting to look insane, added to the fact that with a relatively easy EL group if we rotate sensibly everyone should get a week between games.

Tha's mad, tha'.

 

[14/04/91]

Just been named on the shortlist (20) for ‘Golden Boy’ award

 

[Yiddo100]

Just been named on the shortlist (20) for ‘Golden Boy’ award

I think that’s the Madrid Vinicius not this one?