Player Watch Player Watch: Manor Solomon

[nav007_2000]

Totally agree with you @Trix
We cannot go signing players without the new manager who is coming in approving it.
Look at the ‘club approved’ signings of Danjuma and Spence. Hardly played. Waste of wages.

we need to get a manager in first and then go for the signings. I see Levy is probably looking for a Yes Man who will be provided with the players and to get on with it

 

[MunkoSpurs]

Not if he doesn't get used it's not it's money down the drain.

You could say the same about all our squad though. He might not rate them and they might not get used.

With no transfer fee and rumoured relatively low wages, the club might feel the risk is affordable with huge potential upside.

If he were to sign for another PL club, scoring bags of goals and become a world class player, everyone will be criticising the club for not acting.

Anyway, all hypothetical and I think we all agree that any new transfers should be signed off by the new management.

 

[Oscar22]

I agree in principle but you must have a line somewhere Trix? E.g. Mbappe on a free etc.

This is nonsense though isn’t it mate, because regardless of viewpoint, Mbappe on a free just isn’t happening, nor is any deal for any of those types of players. Proper superstar players are just never going to be subject to ‘bids’ like this one for Solomon. Though I appreciate you aren’t actually suggesting Mbappe for example is available and that we would stand a chance.

I disagree with the board having the power to sign a bad player. I agree with the board having the power to sign a good player.

How does this work? Because who are we suggesting is in charge of what is good and what is bad? Every signing involves risk. Loads of people on here would sit and suggest they are happy with us to sign a player because they think he’s good, he then arrives, turns out terrible for us (I’m not talking solely about Solomon) and suddenly all the same people would be blaming it on Levy because “actually that one was a bad signing”.

We need to act like a club run by grown ups, get a manager, get a DOF, then let them decide who we should go for to fit their playing style.

Else we’re just buying cheap Christmas presents for someone with no idea of what they’re into.

 

[Doctor Dinkey]

With no transfer fee and rumoured relatively low wages, the club might feel the risk is affordable with huge potential upside.

If he were to sign for another PL club, scoring bags of goals and become a world class player, everyone will be criticising the club for not acting.

But that's a ludicrous way of assembling a squad. You don't let 'who's cheap and available' determine who you buy, especially if it pushes an academy player out of the picture.

 

[Misfit]

We can see exactly the power and influence over first team matters the new DoF and coach will have by transfer targets already being discussed/lined up. About the same as their predecessors have had. The braintrust will still be the ultimate arbiter of any and all decisions.

With that said, might as well just scrub the idea of a DoF altogether and get some people in to revamp/carry on the work started under Paritici (?) with the youth set up side of things.

 

[MunkoSpurs]

But that's a ludicrous way of assembling a squad. You don't let 'who's cheap and available' determine who you buy, especially if it pushes an academy player out of the picture.

I'm not suggesting "who's cheap and available" is the way of assembling a squad.

If you read my previous posts, I was saying that the club employ a scouting department and irregardless of the current situation, they should be continuing their job of looking at players and making recommendations for the new manager to make a decision on.

The issue of a small budget was raised and that this possible signing could be wasted money and impact other key areas. I was just suggesting the possibility that in making a cheaper signing in this area would allow more funds to be spent on the priority positions.

 

[Nick-TopSpursMan]

What should happen is we line the deal up ready for completion awaiting approval from a new DoF and Manager, both of whom should be in place within the next 2 weeks or we are royally screwed anyway.

But if that's not going to happen, we will be forced to make some signings or we're going to be so far behind the other clubs in our transfer window prep that we will have a disastrous summer.

 

[rawhide]

This is like going in to Tesco for a loaf of bread and coming out with some lychees because they were on offer.

 

[wrd]

This is like going in to Tesco for a loaf of bread and coming out with some lychees because they were on offer.

I was trying to explain this to my partner and she also went the food analogy route, she said it's like we have the fundamental ingredients with the squad as is but our manager might want to make cookies but they've gone ahead and bought strawberries trying to do us a favour so now we have to make cake. Cake isn't bad but the manager could have made some incredible cookies.

 

[Trix]

The point is though that the club should, in my opinion, be working on potential deals, ready to put to the new manager when he's appointed. There's nothing at the moment to suggest that new players will be signed beforehand.

If there is to be a limited budget then surely a transfer like this is beneficial and not too much outlay and not much risk. With a squad consisting of Kane, Son, Richy and maybe Kulu, improving on these players will be expensive when I agree, other areas are key. With Lucas and probably Danjuma leaving, back up is needed.

If huge funds are potentially being allocated to a GK or CB, without the new managers agreement, I would be a lot more concerned.

You think players in demand are going to wait around to find out when they have other solid offers on the table? It's a catch 22 for sure. It's why at the very least the DOF, if not the manager, should have been in place by now.

 

[MunkoSpurs]

You think players in demand are going to wait around to find out when they have other solid offers on the table? It's a catch 22 for sure. It's why at the very least the DOF, if not the manager, should have been in place by now.

Agreed and its pure incompetence from Levy that we're in this situation.

With regards to whether players will wait, I really don't know. I guess it depends on who the other offers are from and how good the offer is. As the season has only just ended and the window is not open yet, I would hope (perhaps naively) that players are prepared to wait a bit to see what other offers transpire, especially if we have made our interest known.

The longer this search drags on though, the harder it's going to be to convince players.

 

[wrd]

You think players in demand are going to wait around to find out when they have other solid offers on the table? It's a catch 22 for sure. It's why at the very least the DOF, if not the manager, should have been in place by now.

I agree with this and I think sometimes in order to actually respect a structure to where you keep your discipline, you have to suffer the consequences of failure to rather than circumvent it to avoid them.

I had to do this with freelancing. I felt I wasn't producing enough in the 8 hours per day I aim to stay within, so I'd work evenings and kept saying ah next time I'll keep to the 8 hours but next project I'd go back to the 12-16 hour special to avoid failing to hit a deadline and I realised I had to stick to the 8 hours whether I'm behind or not and it was failing a couple of times that finally forced me to speed up. If you compromise on your margin then your idolized structure will never yield success because you don't reveal to yourself the value of it when you undermine it.

If we miss out on one player because we kept our standards high on the structure, it will lower the possibility of it happening a 2nd time. We may have to take a couple of losses to learn our lesson.

 

[Trix]

I agree with this and I think sometimes in order to actually respect a structure to where you keep your discipline, you have to suffer the consequences of failure to rather than circumvent it to avoid them.

I had to do this with freelancing. I felt I wasn't producing enough in the 8 hours per day I aim to stay within, so I'd work evenings and kept saying ah next time I'll keep to the 8 hours but next project I'd go back to the 12-16 hour special to avoid failing to hit a deadline and I realised I had to stick to the 8 hours whether I'm behind or not and it was failing a couple of times that finally forced me to speed up. If you compromise on your margin then your idolized structure will never yield success because you don't reveal to yourself the value of it when you undermine it.

If we miss out on one player because we kept our standards high on the structure, it will lower the possibility of it happening a 2nd time. We may have to take a couple of losses to learn our lesson.

Well perhaps if you spent less time on here

 

[wrd]

Well perhaps if you spent less time on here

That was 80-90% of it yes

 

[mr ashley]

But that's a ludicrous way of assembling a squad. You don't let 'who's cheap and available' determine who you buy, especially if it pushes an academy player out of the picture.

Good point.
what position does mundle play?

 

[hero]

Good point.
what position does mundle play?

LW.

 

[Nick-TopSpursMan]

Good point.
what position does mundle play?

LWF but he’s already turned down a 5 year contract and is leaving us. So we need another LWF option in the squad now.

 

[Adam Zampa]

Solomon has Champions League pedigree too.
Of 16 champions league games, scored 4 goals for Shaktar, all important goals.

1 vs Atalanta ( away - last minute winner )
2 vs Real Madrid (home & away) - On winning causes, Shaktar did the double over Madrid in the group
1 vs ManCity (Away) equaliser.

The second match in particular he came on and changed the match.

 

[Cinemattis]

Deal i reference is he is a very good player

A «very good player» would have gotten more than 560 minutes in the PL for Fulham.
A “very good player” would have played more than one - one single - full 90 minutes for a team that ended below us (@ 10th).
A “very good player” would get picked for the starting XI more than 4 out of 38 times.

Solomon might be a good “prospect”. He _might_ become a good PL player.

But he is not now, by any criteria, even close to be a “very good player”.

He turns 24 this summer. Plenty of young and younger players are more accomplished than him.
As far as I can understand he would take up a full “international” spot in our squad.
His slender build (170cm and 66 kg) is a well used argument against plenty of players in a physically demanding PL. Given his physique, he would have to be a very special player indeed to make an impact and be rated as a “very good player” in the PL. The very simple fact at this moment in time is that he is not.

I don’t care if he’s cheap or even free. Because there is no such thing as a free player. Everyone earn wages and take up a spot in the squad. Given our problems for years on years with the balance of HG and international players in the squad, we shouldn’t pursue international players that are 24 (full seniors) whose greatest talent is their price tag.

 

[Cinemattis]

You are missing the point. You can't pick and choose when it's ok to do these deals. It's either right all of the time or it isn't. It has to be the manager and director of football selecting the players not the board!

It is impossible to stress this enough!