Player watch: Oliver Skipp

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It wasn't his best performance to date with some of the wayward passing but he kept going and improved when we had more options in front of him.

Putting him beside Dier in front of a back 3 means we need player who will get forward which neither did.

Not understanding all the Dier hate. 2nd game back from injury and we know he struggles in front of a back 3 because he doesn't have the space to drop inside. Both Skipps and Dier improved in 2nd half.
 
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Fans criticising youngsters after a handful of games reminds me of how Frank Lampard was deemed not good enough by these clueless West Ham fans.

 

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Fans criticising youngsters after a handful of games reminds me of how Frank Lampard was deemed not good enough by these clueless West Ham fans.


Not every kid we play from the academy is going to develop into a world class player you know.

I'm not making a judgement one way or the other about his career, but the fact is, he shouldn't be near starting a game for us in CM in a FA Cup game away at a PL side. We are a top 4 club and we are fielding kids who aren't good enough to help us win these types of games.

Skipp was out of his depth. People go on about him today, saying he did fine or whatever. Did he fuck. He showed a massive lack of quality on the ball. He looked like a kid playing with men out there, which he is. Nowhere near ready. He was out of his depth against Tranmere, improved second half but that shows the level of the kid. Tranmere FFS. They made Llorente look like peak Batistuta. I don't blame him, I just wonder what the fuck Poch is playing at.

Does he think these kids are better than they are? Because we are losing games.
 

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Not every kid we play from the academy is going to develop into a world class player you know.

I'm not making a judgement one way or the other about his career, but the fact is, he shouldn't be near starting a game for us in CM in a FA Cup game away at a PL side. We are a top 4 club and we are fielding kids who aren't good enough to help us win these types of games.

Skipp was out of his depth. People go on about him today, saying he did fine or whatever. Did he fuck. He showed a massive lack of quality on the ball. He looked like a kid playing with men out there, which he is. Nowhere near ready. He was out of his depth against Tranmere, improved second half but that shows the level of the kid. Tranmere FFS. They made Llorente look like peak Batistuta. I don't blame him, I just wonder what the fuck Poch is playing at.

Does he think these kids are better than they are? Because we are losing games.
There's a big difference between quality and experience. It's clear to me that Skipps has the quality judging by his previous showings but today he lacked a bit of experience in that early phase and rectifying the problems quickly. That is understandable given he does lack experience. But it doesn't mean he's out of his depth or not ready. It just means we have to be willing to give him that time and protect him in the team (which unfortunately I don't think Poch did with the set up and personnel around him)
 

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Wasn't great today, the key is how he responds. Does he knuckle down or is his confidence harmed - who knows?

The point is, for all the "throw the kids in" merchants on here is that going to PL clubs is brutal, Skipp has potential and might kick on (fwiw I think he will) but today was the biggest challenge he's faced so far and he knows it.
 

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Not every kid we play from the academy is going to develop into a world class player you know.

I'm not making a judgement one way or the other about his career, but the fact is, he shouldn't be near starting a game for us in CM in a FA Cup game away at a PL side. We are a top 4 club and we are fielding kids who aren't good enough to help us win these types of games.

Skipp was out of his depth. People go on about him today, saying he did fine or whatever. Did he fuck. He showed a massive lack of quality on the ball. He looked like a kid playing with men out there, which he is. Nowhere near ready. He was out of his depth against Tranmere, improved second half but that shows the level of the kid. Tranmere FFS. They made Llorente look like peak Batistuta. I don't blame him, I just wonder what the fuck Poch is playing at.

Does he think these kids are better than they are? Because we are losing games.
I do worry about the chances of other academy players coming through, is Skipp is the one deemed most ready, but is nowhere near ready to start in the PL.

At least Edwards is playing football at a high level, albeit in a weaker league. It'll be shame if we aren't able to get him into the first team squad.
 

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He's gaining valuable experience at the moment, he wasn't as bad as some of our more senior players today in the same position, albeit Dier and Wanyama just back from injury they were awful at times.
Skipp is making mistakes by losing possession but he's busting a gut trying to get the ball back as soon as he does.
 

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I thought he did well today. So little experience at this level. Can only improve with games

A million times better than Carroll ever was, or is, even now!
 

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Wouldn’t play him alongside a purely defensive player like Dier.

Would much rather see him partnered with Winks as reckon would suit him more.
 

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The whitewashing in this thread is amazing.

He was awful today and has been bang average in most of his other appearances (did well against Tranmere).

He's physically tiny and whilst tenacious still gets run past and muscled off the ball very easily.

His passing his rarely progressive until it seems Poch tells him at half time, and he's got a poor pass completion rate.

He doesn't seem to have a defined role or style of play - at the moment he's a generic CM who passes sideways most of the time.

Now - before you all neg me into oblivion - the point is that all this is basically fine. He's an actual child. A kid bumped up from the academy and asked to play top-level men's football, and he's understandably not remotely ready. Most kids who do get exposed this early in their careers are physically already grown men (Hudson-Odoi or Rooney for example) which is why they're already a level above their peers in the youth setup.

There's nothing wrong with that, and given his weaknesses, he's done generally ok when he's played in terms of what we should expect.

In time, he might develop into an interesting player who would be capable of challenging for the Spurs first team squad. As it is at the moment, he's a kid who's way out of his depth and with no obvious "wonderkid" properties (physique, pace, skill, technique etc). Once our squad is no longer all in A&E or (God forbid) we actually buy a fucking CM, he'll be miles away from the squad again, and rightly so, giving him time to develop into the player he's capable of becoming.

But please, let's not indulge in this artificially-positive nonsense that he's actually been good beyond one appearance, or is anything other than a complete last resort for Poch. He is not a player we should be relying on at our level and he is not capable of providing anything like what we need from a CM.
 

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Wouldn’t play him alongside a purely defensive player like Dier.

Would much rather see him partnered with Winks as reckon would suit him more.
Winks and Skipp. Lightweight as hell. We’d get bullied to high heaven.
 

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Given that I don't think Dier offers much in midfield, I find it a bit depressing that our next academy player to breakthrough is, at present, very similar to Dier. He's very young and inexperienced though, and I hope he gets the chance to develop in the right way.

I do wish Poch had given Onomah and Edwards a chance like Skipp.
 
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I think he'll be a solid, dependable player in 5 years. Possibly not remarkable or a game changer, but the sort of lad who never puts a foot wrong.
 

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Any midfield we had yesterday was going to look poor when we had a forward line like we did. Skipp was not the problem.
 

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Any midfield we had yesterday was going to look poor when we had a forward line like we did. Skipp was not the problem.
It's his first season in the first team, imo he did well and showed that he is mentally up to task and just needs to add a bit of strength and experience to become a option at CM. If a 18yo Harry Kane would have played yesterday and failed to score, all those slagging off Skipp would have done it with him also...
 

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Winks and Skipp. Lightweight as hell. We’d get bullied to high heaven.
I’d hardly call Skipp light weight?

Plus Winks has actually played games as our lone defensive midfielder.
 

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Early days for the lad but looks like the midfield players we usually turn out; that is solid dependable and a hard worker. But of course it is so very early in his career and in time he should show what qualities he does have. Nice to see youngsters get a chance therefore to grumble about losing the least important of our games would be a shame
 
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