Player Watch Player Watch: Oliver Skipp

[edson]

We should give him to Southampton on a season loan as well as KWP.

Cannot have him sitting on the bench for another year.

He had only played something like 13 games in two seasons,Billy Gilmour has played 16 games in one season.

I do not get why people don't rate him on this site because he has hardly kicked a ball.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Jose seems to like him. If we get Hojbjerg though would we send Skipp on loan or having him deputising for that ball winner role?

 

[spids]

Jose seems to like him. If we get Hojbjerg though would we send Skipp on loan or having him deputising for that ball winner role?

Offering Southampton KWP on a permanent transfer plus a season long loan for Skipp could be a way to entice them.

 

[ILS]

We should give him to Southampton on a season loan as well as KWP.

Cannot have him sitting on the bench for another year.

He had only played something like 13 games in two seasons,Billy Gilmour has played 16 games in one season.

I do not get why people don't rate him on this site because he has hardly kicked a ball.

I think he has more about him then Winks and looks to play forward alot more.

I think a loan would benefit him greatly and hope if a team like Brentford come up would take him.

 

[joey55]

Of all the young players we've had coming through our ranks in recent years, he's the one I think has the best chance of being an elite player in his position. I think most of us didn't see it with Kane and all the others, seemed to having something missing that would always hold them back from truly top class. For example, as much as we all were excited by Marcus Edwards potential, I think realistically we all knew he was going to struggle physically and just didn't have that electric acceleration or the natural body strength that other small players, like Messi have.

When you look at the requirements for a top class, ball winning DM, Skipp is incredibly well rounded. He reads the game so well, he is very aggressive, the timing of his tackles and anticipation for interceptions is of the highest level. He's not an athlete like Kante or NDidi, but he's improving in that area and he's neater on the ball than they are.

So often with big, physically impressive youngsters, they show a lack of intelligence or technical ability, which have nothing to do with age and yet their short comings are forgiven because they are "so young" and that they have so much "potential" (see someone like Reece Oxford,) when they simply don't and are only rated so highly for standing out so much due to being incredibly athletic and capable of mixing with the seniors. Hudson Odoi is another example, who is definitely no Raheem Sterling. Ryan Babel was never going to be the next Thierry Henry! Lukaku was no better at 24 than he was at 18!

Skipp is the opposite of those kinds of players. He needs to be given time to physically mature, because he's not lacking in the technical aspects needed to be top class in his role. Scott Parker was similar in that he had to wait until he had developed into a man in his early 20's, before he could really impose his aggressive style. David Batty had a similar trajectory. It's hard to be a midfield enforcer as young kid, that isn't physically imposing. I don't think Declan Rice reads the game better than Skipp does or has any technical superiority, he's just physically ready to play Prem football at a younger age.

 

[edson]

I think he has more about him then Winks and looks to play forward alot more.

I think a loan would benefit him greatly and hope if a team like Brentford come up would take him.

Have always liked Brentford and it would also be a good fit and they very much liked Pritchard back in the day.

 

[thekneaf]

We should give him to Southampton on a season loan as well as KWP.

Cannot have him sitting on the bench for another year.

He had only played something like 13 games in two seasons,Billy Gilmour has played 16 games in one season.

I do not get why people don't rate him on this site because he has hardly kicked a ball.

Let's see how Billy gets on now Chelsea are stockpiling players in his position.

 

[ILS]

Let's see how Billy gets on now Chelsea are stockpiling players in his position.

Will be interesting especially if they sign Rice with Kante and Jorghino likely on their way out.

 

[Timberwolf]

Absolutely delighted he's signed on. Think he has a big future at the club.

I think if we send him on loan it has to be somewhere he will be a guaranteed starter, and if that's in the Championship, so be it.

I don't think he'd get enough game time at Saints but Brentford (whichever league they are in next season) does seem like a good fit.

 

[daryl hannah]

Interview with Skipp (video)

 

[thekneaf]

Really hope we give him the platform to kick on now

 

[joey55]

I think if we send him on loan it has to be somewhere he will be a guaranteed starter, and if that's in the Championship, so be it.

I don't think he'd get enough game time at Saints but Brentford (whichever league they are in next season) does seem like a good fit.

I'm glad someone else thinks like this. Most of the time we want to buy players in their early to mid twenties, so I don't see why we don't map out a trajectory, based on loans, where our own youngsters get enough game time, so buy the time they are 22, they are at the level of the type of player we'd look to buy.

I wouldn't care if it was league 1, as long as he played every week. If that went well, I wouldn't want him to come back in be a squad player for us, I'd rather he played regularly in the Championship for a year. After that I'd be fine with a loan to a Prem club, unless he's either showing he's going to struggle to make it or is clearly good enough to help us. If you look at our best CM's in recent years, Carrick, Modric and Dembele, they were all bought at 22 years old and over. Skippy is 19. He should be given the same opportunities to play first team football as those players did, before being good enough for our 1st team.

If we look at Kane, Walker and Rose, they all played a hell of a lot of games out on loan (and in Walkers case before that), before they became first team regulars for us. Even Ali played a lot at MK Dons.

In my opinion it's utterly ridiculous that KWP is now 23 and only just getting his first run of regular first team football. We now seem on the verge of selling him, so I just don't see how having him train with us for 5 years has really been that valuable to us or him. With effective loans he could have been the level he is now, 2 years ago and be ready to be our first choice RB now.

 

[Timberwolf]

I'm glad someone else thinks like this. Most of the time we want to buy players in their early to mid twenties, so I don't see why we don't map out a trajectory, based on loans, where our own youngsters get enough game time, so buy the time they are 22, they are at the level of the type of player we'd look to buy.

I wouldn't care if it was league 1, as long as he played every week. If that went well, I wouldn't want him to come back in be a squad player for us, I'd rather he played regularly in the Championship for a year. After that I'd be fine with a loan to a Prem club, unless he's either showing he's going to struggle to make it or is clearly good enough to help us. If you look at our best CM's in recent years, Carrick, Modric and Dembele, they were all bought at 22 years old and over. Skippy is 19. He should be given the same opportunities to play first team football as those players did, before being good enough for our 1st team.

If we look at Kane, Walker and Rose, they all played a hell of a lot of games out on loan (and in Walkers case before that), before they became first team regulars for us. Even Ali played a lot at MK Dons.

In my opinion it's utterly ridiculous that KWP is now 23 and only just getting his first run of regular first team football. We now seem on the verge of selling him, so I just don't see how having him train with us for 5 years has really been that valuable to us or him. With effective loans he could have been the level he is now, 2 years ago and be ready to be our first choice RB now.

Yeah completely agree. I've bemoaned Poch's approach to loans in this thread before - I understand wanting a player to understand a manager's style of play and settle into the first-team group, but after a certain point you're completely stunting their development by not giving them serious gametime. KWP is a perfect example - as soon as it was clear that Poch didn't trust him to play regularly we should've shipped him out to a ball-playing Championship side at the first opportunity.

Skipp is now at the perfect age for a loan. We either have to commit to playing him regularly as a rotation option with (presumably) Hojbjerg/Winks, or let him go out and gets some games under his belt.

 

[Saoirse]

We should give him to Southampton on a season loan as well as KWP.

Cannot have him sitting on the bench for another year.

He had only played something like 13 games in two seasons,Billy Gilmour has played 16 games in one season.

I do not get why people don't rate him on this site because he has hardly kicked a ball.

Depends how the rest of the season goes. If we're e.g. in Europa qualifying, he could play 3 qualifiers, 6 GS games, and at least 1 LC tie for us in the first half of next season plus any league games he gets, and then we can review the situation in January.

 

[mill]

Needs to be starting at least 20 games next season either with us or on loan

 

[Shadydan]

We should give him to Southampton on a season loan as well as KWP.

Cannot have him sitting on the bench for another year.

He had only played something like 13 games in two seasons,Billy Gilmour has played 16 games in one season.

I do not get why people don't rate him on this site because he has hardly kicked a ball.

We're going to need cover for CDM next season behind Hojbjerg (if he comes which is likely) and I'm okay with that.

 

[DJS]

He should definitely have been on loan previously.

I still would like to see him in our team tbh, if we’re gonna play 4-4-2 and Lo Celso is maybe struggling with a groin complaint then I would like to see Winks and Skipp in middle with Skipp playing the defensive midfield role.

It‘s quite tricky now given the negligence on his development game-time wise, as if we buy someone they could potentially block his path IF he has that quality to break through.

We do need a specialist defensive midfielder next season though so decision does need to be made in how to best develop and test him as if he can do a job, it will save us money for other positions (especially with financial constraints now caused by corona outbreak) plus he’s a spurs boy.

 

[Montalbano]

 

[teok]

Ally gold just tweeted that Mourinho wants a 6 month loan for him next season.

 

[edson]

Depends how the rest of the season goes. If we're e.g. in Europa qualifying, he could play 3 qualifiers, 6 GS games, and at least 1 LC tie for us in the first half of next season plus any league games he gets, and then we can review the situation in January.

If we want him to improve let's give him 20 plus games away from Spurs, Mourinho should have his starting Midfielder by next season ?and giving Skipp games just here and there will not be beneficial to him.