Player Watch Player Watch: Ryan Sessegnon

[spids]

I can't believe that people can be so impatient with young players.
To write the likes of Sess and Clarke off at their ages is bloody ridiculous!
If you haven't torn up the Prem by the age of 20 you're obviously no good?! It's no wonder some of these kids can suffer from confidence issues, if they get wind of what some fans think.

Anyone with half a brain could clearly see that both of these kids were signed for their potential, not to burst straight into the first team. Give them a chance to grow and learn Ffs.

I do not people are being impatient, I think there is frustration that we spent £25M on a player and we don't even know what his best position is. If we are thinking of converting him into a LB, £25M is a lot for a LB with potential when we have the likes of Cirkin coming through who probably have more potential at LB and came through the academy.

 

[McFlash]

I do not people are being impatient, I think there is frustration that we spent £25M on a player and we don't even know what his best position is. If we are thinking of converting him into a LB, £25M is a lot for a LB with potential when we have the likes of Cirkin coming through who probably have more potential at LB and came through the academy.

I don't know how the deal was structured but I doubt it's just a straight £25m, knowing Levy.
I'll agree, it's a lot to pay for potential but prices were crazy then. Look at Wan Bissaka and Maguire.
I just think that as he's only 20 and we've just had a shitshow of a season, we need to be a little patient with him.
As for Clarke, a Leeds mate of mine said that he's a great talent but don't expect to see him straight away, he'll take a couple of years to come through.
As far as I'm aware we have a separate 'development' budget, which he would have come out of, as opposed to the first team *ahem* warchest.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

I do not people are being impatient,

Then you haven't read some of the idiotic bilge that some people deal in on here

 

[Yid-ol]

I remember the last LB that was young and was getting stick for not performing in his first season(or two).... I wonder what happened to him after he turned good

 

[wrd]

I do not people are being impatient, I think there is frustration that we spent £25M on a player and we don't even know what his best position is. If we are thinking of converting him into a LB, £25M is a lot for a LB with potential when we have the likes of Cirkin coming through who probably have more potential at LB and came through the academy.

Doesn't matter if you don't know what you think his best position is. Jose thinks he's going to be a LB but isn't quite ready yet and needs more experience and wants to play him further forward. He's said as much.

 

[Snarfalicious]

Could be Messi’s replacement!

 

[sausage]

If thats the case then Jeffers, Anichiebe and Baxter would have made it too.

There is no 'main difference' turning top young talent into top players is incredibly complex, and regardless where you are the odds are that most hyped talents will not make it to the top.

For what its worth Kane had made no appearances at all in the first team at Parrotts age group. He made those 6 appearances, in the Europa League which we haven't qualified for in some time, in the season coming.

OK its true Van Gaal handed debuts to a lot of Man utd players, but only Lingard and Rashford have made it from 15 players who got their debuts. All but 3 of those players are playing in lower league football, most going for a nominal fee.I think it is hyperbolic to say there current good run of form is down to Van Gaal.

Some really flawed logic there.

Jeffers, Anichiebe and Baxter would probably have never even played under Poch (like almost every youth player we had for 5 years).

As it happens, though, Jeffers was sold to Arsenal for a pretty substantial amount, so

 

[sausage]

We played Everton in the youth FA Cup Final at WHL. I was lucky enough (through a ballot) to go along to a pre match chat given by David Pleat. He told the small audience there before the match that we should watch out for a wonderkid called Rooney who is 15. Rooney scored 2 goals. Everyone knew about Rooney and his qualities then. He was ready and everyone knew it.

You say "everyone", but it wasn't 'everyone'. It would have been people who an active interest in youth football - you wouldn't have talked to a casual observer about him. Most football fans wouldn't have heard of him, and it wasn't like he was a wonderkid on championship manager. Hell, most football fans back then would have struggled to name another team's first XI, never mind their exciting youth players. I think it was the Arsenal goal that suddenly put him on the map of notoriety.

It doesn't surprise me that Pleat would have known, though, as he has an eye for them.

 

[dontcallme]

I was in favour of his signing but didn't think we were buying the next Bale.

I think he has the potential to be a very good player if he is developed correctly.

Next season we are in 4 competitions and we will try to win the EL. With all those games and 5 subs allowed in the Prem that's a lot of game time.

Not every signing has to be the next Bale. A very good player for half a decade or more is fine.

 

[nedley]

I do not people are being impatient, I think there is frustration that we spent £25M on a player and we don't even know what his best position is. If we are thinking of converting him into a LB, £25M is a lot for a LB with potential when we have the likes of Cirkin coming through who probably have more potential at LB and came through the academy.

This is Spurs. This is Levy. Its what we do.

 

[Sweech]

Is that the same Angelino ,the singing dustman from Only Fools and Horses who got his props from Crown Topper and Mattesons?

In fairness the Angelino loan is most likely with a view to purchase the player afterwards.

 

[Who’s our next manager?]

Is that the same Angelino ,the singing dustman from Only Fools and Horses who got his props from Crown Topper and Mattesons?

Angelino plays for Who?

 

[mr ashley]

You can see that Sessegnon doesn’t possess the blistering pace or dynamic shooting that bale did. At the same time, you can see throughout his career so far that sessegnon possesses outstanding ‘game sense’- (choice of pass, weight of pass, timing of run etc- things that stats can’t show). All of this, at such a young age, make him a high potential young player.
I couldn’t think of a better manger to help develop the defensive side to his game.
So we are left with the puzzle of why didn’t he get games after the restart. I think there are two explanations- one is to go with what you know (experience). The other was to play a system that was the best defensively, and with no cdm, both fullbacks bombing forwards was a step too far.

Not really sure why Cirkin keeps getting referenced so assuredly- he’s not played yet, and only burst on the scene since January. He certainly wasn’t around to influence the signing of sessegnon

 

[luRRka]

I was in favour of his signing but didn't think we were buying the next Bale.

I think he's has the potential to be a very good player if he is developed correctly.

Next season we are in 4 competitions and we will try to win the EL. With all those games and 5 subs allowed in the Prem that's a lot of game time.

Not every signing has to be the next Bale. A very good player for half a decade or more is fine.

I thought prem clubs voted against 5 subs next season?

 

[Who’s our next manager?]

I don't know how the deal was structured but I doubt it's just a straight £25m, knowing Levy.
I'll agree, it's a lot to pay for potential but prices were crazy then. Look at Wan Bissaka and Maguire.
I just think that as he's only 20 and we've just had a shitshow of a season, we need to be a little patient with him.
As for Clarke, a Leeds mate of mine said that he's a great talent but don't expect to see him straight away, he'll take a couple of years to come through.
As far as I'm aware we have a separate 'development' budget, which he would have come out of, as opposed to the first team *ahem* warchest.

Hasn’t Levy also,said that the stadium loan does not affect transfer funds. Does that mean that the new loan we’ve just taken out covers losses caused by covid so transfer are unaffected. Would be great if true but how likely?
?

 

[dontcallme]

I thought prem clubs voted against 5 subs next season?

Been away last 4 days. I thought it was going ahead, guess I was wrong.

 

[Pochemon94]

Angelino plays for Who?

His parent club is Man City is on loan at RB Leipzig, he looks really good so far

 

[Frozen_Waffles]

I can't believe that people can be so impatient with young players.
To write the likes of Sess and Clarke off at their ages is bloody ridiculous!
If you haven't torn up the Prem by the age of 20 you're obviously no good?! It's no wonder some of these kids can suffer from confidence issues, if they get wind of what some fans think.

Anyone with half a brain could clearly see that both of these kids were signed for their potential, not to burst straight into the first team. Give them a chance to grow and learn Ffs.

Although I imagine some people on here are writing them off, they are probably pissed that we spent 35m on 'future prosects' when perhaps that money could have been used for say a back up striker or a DM that are ready to play now.

I rate sessegnon, I think he has a future (for me at lb) but 25 mill is alot of money and why would we continue to buy these players when poch proved that he didn't want to blood our own youngsters. Jose as well has not given too many minutes to Skipp for example, when Sissoko was quite clearly utter rubbish.

I liked the spurs strategy when we were paying small amounts and we were willing to give them a taste of the first team.

Neither of which seems to be the case now (sadly)

 

[RichieS]

Hasn’t Levy also,said that the stadium loan does not affect transfer funds. Does that mean that the new loan we’ve just taken out covers losses caused by covid so transfer are unaffected. Would be great if true but how likely?
?

The repayments on the stadium debt are something like £30-50m per year. In the last accounts (18/19) the wage bill was £179m. TV money earned this season is likely to be £150-£200m and commercial revenue somewhere just above £100m. I wouldn't like to guess at how much matchday income there had been prior to lockdown, but there should be some money to play with (i.e. I would be surprised if the £175m loan from the BoE has actually been used). But missing out on an estimated £200m through not being able to use the stadium is going to affect transfer funds before it affects anything else.

 

[nedley]

For the next person who rights off a young promising player, just remember.....

Serge Gnabry.