Player Watch - Tanguy Ndombele

[DanielJohnCosta]

I think he is a very good player and has a lot of ability. However I do agree with some of your points as the protection, justification and praise of him is at times way over the top. Its almost like a cult following. If he plays bad its because of his position or the formation or because of the weather. Some people seem to be incapable of criticising him. He had a few awful touches yesterday and there were a couple of times he couldn't control the ball or gave it away needlessly. Including one where he did drop deep to collect the ball and then gave it away in a dangerous area. If that had been Sissoko he would have got slaughtered. He did make one nice run, but apart from that there wasn't much from him at all. And Moura makes those runs all the time and he gets heavily criticised regardless of what he does. I dont understand why players aren't judged objectively and on their performances.

PEH has been a breath of fresh air in our midfield, so deserves a lot of praise. There's still a long way for Tanguy to go and he's certainly not hit the Eriksen heights as yet but im hoping he will.

I think Mourinho has played this spot on so far.

he's just about done as much as Eriksen did in the past few years in his opening few games this season

 

[Nayim60yards]

Ndombele is a joy to watch and I eagerly await the day we start him in a midfield three with GLC and PEH behind Son Bale and Kane.

 

[Tucker]

The yellow held him back massively today

Yeah, Jose said as much in the post game conference. Tan guy relies on being able to get stuck in, lose the ball win it back etc. When he can’t do that it messes with his game.

 

[double0]

Bad game from him but he didn't have too many players able to play one-twos with him, Sissoko will never be that guy, Son and Kane were off-form plus Brighton had more players in midfield. His yellow card was a result of him not wanting to be bothered with running after Lamptey, needs to improve when we don't have posession. Great season for him but he was bad yesterday, nothing to worry about though.

The yellow card he got was because of a poor mistake in the first phase I think Lamela or Son losing the ball Ndombele was already committed in making an angle and because of that mistake in the first phase was out of position. Personally I'd like to see Ndombele playing a bit deeper and on the ball more.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

No one here suggested he's the best midfielder in the world, and yes, if that was his worst match for us this season, hugely affected by yellow card, that means he's good.

They certainly have I'm afraid...

 

[Spurs_Bear]

I thought the yellow card was harsh to be honest, especially so early on. I was more concerned with the terrible control a few times and lack of involvement but as I have already said he is allowed to have a bad game just like the rest of them.

 

[sharky127]

Wasn't his best game yesterday but when the team as a whole didn't play particularly well it doesn't help a player like Tanguy. Some flashes of class but lost the ball a lot in dangerous areas. Hopefully back to his best for the tough run of games over November!

 

[Nocando]

he's just about done as much as Eriksen did in the past few years in his opening few games this season

Past few years. You're joking right?. Can you back up what you're saying with any stats? He's played 7 games and scored 1 goal. Hes played well in a few, yes, and you could say was influential but dont rewrite history with Eriksen, regardless of his final few months (which i was heavily critical of). He has an awful long way to go. Hes definitely heading in the right direction but we shouldn't get ahead of ourselves. Which is something spurs fans do far too often.

This type of opinion only reaffirms my above points.

 

[Nocando]

Wasn't his best game yesterday but when the team as a whole didn't play particularly well it doesn't help a player like Tanguy. Some flashes of class but lost the ball a lot in dangerous areas. Hopefully back to his best for the tough run of games over November!

Why didn't say the same about Dele on thur? He didn't play well. There's no sugar coating it. Of course lets hope it was a blip just like with Son who was shit too.

 

[ajspurs]

Why didn't say the same about Dele on thur? He didn't play well. There's no sugar coating it. Of course lets hope it was a blip just like with Son who was shit too.

That's because Dele does as such in the large majority of games that he plays.

I'm just surprised any individual's performance is being looked at so strongly after last nights game to be honest when we clearly weren't functioning as a unit. For me it's one of those games that you just cross off, move on from and be happy you got the three points. We've performed much better than that in a lot of games this season so I see no reason to panic. Especially not with Ndombele who's contributed so well in us being able to actually play a bit of flowing football.

 

[Mungo63]

Blimey, looks like I’ve rattled some cages. My view on Ndombele hasn’t changed, his potential is huge but in terms of output he’s miles away from fulfilling it. I’d be delighted if he did but he looks like a player that has to have things his own way. Time will tell I guess

 

[Nocando]

That's because Dele does as such in the large majority of games that he plays.

I'm just surprised any individual's performance is being looked at so strongly after last nights game to be honest when we clearly weren't functioning as a unit. For me it's one of those games that you just cross off, move on from and be happy you got the three points. We've performed much better than that in a lot of games this season so I see no reason to panic. Especially not with Ndombele who's contributed so well in us being able to actually play a bit of flowing football.

I feel this discussion is pointless because people will always stick to their opinions and i simply don't understand the rationale. The reason I am (I can't speak for all) highlighting this or as you put it, looking so strongly at his performance, is because i find it baffling how quickly people jump to his defence when its not warranted.. Hes either got a very big family or god forbid there are people that are blinded by their affection towards him. Which is very cute.

l was calling it as i saw it. Tanguy was shit. Son was shit. On Thursday everyone was shit... including the players that came on. Even though they were slightly less shit.

When players play well they're not shit. Sissoko, PEH, Kane etc were not shit yesterday but weren't super not shit.

I wouldn't be surprised if Jose picks a midfield of Gio PEH and Sissoko for our next league game. Equally i wouldn't be surprised if he plays TN again.

Either way i hope Tanguy fluffykins has a great game.

 

[DiVaio]

They certainly have I'm afraid...

That he is ONE of the best/he is in current form/he has potential to be

 

[ajspurs]

I feel this discussion is pointless because people will always stick to their opinions and i simply don't understand the rationale. The reason I am (I can't speak for all) highlighting this or as you put it, looking so strongly at his performance, is because i find it baffling how quickly people jump to his defence when its not warranted.. Hes either got a very big family or god forbid there are people that are blinded by their affection towards him. Which is very cute.

l was calling it as i saw it. Tanguy was shit. Son was shit. On Thursday everyone was shit... including the players that came on. Even though they were slightly less shit.

When players play well they're not shit. Sissoko, PEH, Kane etc were not shit yesterday but weren't super not shit.

I wouldn't be surprised if Jose picks a midfield of Gio PEH and Sissoko for our next league game. Equally i wouldn't be surprised if he plays TN again.

Either way i hope Tanguy fluffykins has a great game.

But like, what are you trying to get at in pointing out that he was shit in such a game? Do you think that prior to the game last night he'd also been shit? If so I more so understand your reasoning even if that would be something I'd also disagree with, but that would be a different argument. Are you in the Son thread picking out his game too? (Haven't checked for the record).

Don't get me wrong, everyone is entitled to their own opinion of any particular player, but like said, in a game where nearly everyone was shit it feels strange to me to be picking out certain players deficiencies.

If such a performance becomes a regular occurrence my view would probably be more similar to yours, but since he has turned himself around he's been a big positive influence within the side.

 

[Nocando]

But like, what are you trying to get at in pointing out that he was shit in such a game? Do you think that prior to the game last night he'd also been shit? If so I more so understand your reasoning even if that would be something I'd also disagree with, but that would be a different argument. Are you in the Son thread picking out his game too? (Haven't checked for the record).

Don't get me wrong, everyone is entitled to their own opinion of any particular player, but like said, in a game where nearly everyone was shit it feels strange to me to be picking out certain players deficiencies.

If such a performance becomes a regular occurrence my view would probably be more similar to yours, but since he has turned himself around he's been a big positive influence within the side.

Im not in the son thread because he's never given a million reasons as to why he was bad unlike TN. When hea shit. Its because he was shit. It wasn't because he combed his hair the wrong way. That's my whole point, most players aren't given the same protection that TN gets which is baffling.

That's why im in this thread because its a unique situation. I don't know why people just don't hold their hands up and say he was shit but hopefully he will play better next time.

 

[mil1lion]

I don't think he needs to play deeper to get on the ball. He just needs someone like Lo Celso in behind to feed him. We simply couldn't get control of the ball with Sissoko and Hojbjerg. To be fair Hojbjerg has vey good control of the ball but we need more of a ball player in there. If Lo Celso isn't fit it has to be Winks for me. It would be Winks and Gedson covering for Lo Celso and Sissoko covering for Hojbjerg for me. The Sissoko and Hojbjerg pairing is too much like Wanyama and Dier together.

 

[popstar7]

Looks like a puzzle that's not going to be resolved in the near future if Jose wants them both capable of 90 minutes. My hunch is that Gio can do a job pretty much anywhere in midfield whereas Ndombele is best used in our own half in the Dembele role but free to join the attack when the opportunity is there.

 

[double0]

Looks like a puzzle that's not going to be resolved in the near future if Jose wants them both capable of 90 minutes. My hunch is that Gio can do a job pretty much anywhere in midfield whereas Ndombele is best used in our own half in the Dembele role but free to join the attack when the opportunity is there.

Ndombele is such a good player on the ball and most importantly makes the right pass you want him on the ball more. Against Brighton we weren't controlling possession and sat back far to much for my liking I felt Ndombele would be better deployed deeper. Mourinho's tactical default is to sit back and counter.

 

[Who’s our next manager?]

Ndombele is a joy to watch and I eagerly await the day we start him in a midfield three with GLC and PEH behind Son Bale and Kane.

Drooling at that prospect

 

[Who’s our next manager?]

Ndombele is such a good player on the ball and most importantly makes the right pass you want him on the ball more. Against Brighton we weren't controlling possession and sat back far to much for my liking I felt Ndombele would be better deployed deeper. Mourinho's tactical default is to sit back and counter.

Too many long balls bypassing Ndombele too much