Poch: In or Out? - You CAN change your vote

[Ghost Hardware]

And this for me is why I’m on the potch out fence. Tactically Ive never ever thought he was good enough. Klopp and pep are on another level. poch errors:
- son LWB in fa cup semi
- not reacting to alegri tactical switch in CL QF
- poor tactics in fa cup semi vs man.u, Jose completely got the better of him even though we had a better team
- this seasons diamond doesn’t work
- dropped Lucas for the CL final when Kane wasn’t fit and Lucas was on form of his life
- making subs too late
- no plan B
- no consistent plan A
- poor game management
- poor use of the media

I could go on.

Yeah, I completely understand that and agree. I am happy to see what happens but if we can get a manger who is more proven and Poch keeps on a downward spiral then yes, make the change. But right now I want to see how he reacts to tonight. Also, I think for me the mangers I would want won’t leave their clubs now so we may as well see if he can bounce back, even if I’m not convinced.

 

[Mr Pink]

Stay - providing he's going to actually address what needs addressing.

If the penny hasn't dropped after tonight it never will.

Bayern ruthlessly exposed our openness big time. City let us off the hook big time.

And if he doesn't sort it we're going to be humiliated at Anfield at the end of the month as well. At the moment I wouldnt watch that match behind 5 couches.

There are problems off the pitch, and there's problems on the pitch. We can only quantify the ones we see on the pitch.

They've been getting progressively worse for sometime, and tonight was the icing.

If that hasn't crystallised the need for a more pragmatic/defensive approach from Poch, nothing ever will.

Even forgetting what new players could do, Poch should be capable of using his current squad more smartly from a tactical and strategic point of view. Even with the current 'issues' withstanding.

Why oh why he made that comment before the CL final I'll never know.

Anyway, evolve or...

 

[bubble07]

Needs to be a not sure option so I can vote

 

[McFlash]

The right time for this thread, it'll be interesting to see how us, the fans, are divided at this troublesome time.

Its 'out' for me tonight but I'll admit to changing my mind almost daily at the moment.
Just feels like more 'out' days than 'in', of late.
Sad to say.

 

[freeeki]

I can’t possibly see any basis for wanting to keep him.

- He has lost the dressing room
- He is tactically inept
- We have been terrible for a year
- He has never won anything here or elsewhere and is showing no sign of doing so any time soon
- He plays one system and every team from Bayern Munich to Colchester has rumbled it

I don’t care if you think half the players need to leave. I don’t care if you think ENIC need to fuck off. Those are separate points which can be debated in their own time in their own ways but neither of them make up for Poch’s woeful inadequacies which are NOT changing any time soon.

 

[stormfly]

I don’t actually care anymore I can’t invest my money and time in to this team atm. It’s meant to be enjoyable but this is just painful. I just want us to win a few games in succession again.

Nothing can be changed on the player front until Jan and the fact this team is in need of major surgery can’t just be blamed on the manager. I’m pi**ed off with coaches, players, scouting systems and the chairman atm but not sure which one has pi**ed me off the most yet. It’s a complete shambles.

 

[JayB]

Although I'm sympathetic with the notion that our recruitment setup is the root cause of our problem, the question isn't what brought us to the current crisis, rather what will get us out of it.

IMO Poch has earned enough goodwill to not be summarily sacked after a single capitulation, but the manner in which we respond from tonight will be telling. I think it will eventually require bold steps one way or another, be it sacking Poch or sacking off the malcontents in the dressing room, or something along those lines. I'm willing to give Poch more time to try to fix it, but if nothing changes on the pitch over the next month or so then I think we will have little choice but to change managers before the season gets away from us entirely.

 

[JCRD]

IN

Sorry but soemtimes its the players that are the problem. Why did we press in the first 30 mins then just crumble in the last hour? Actually why the fuck are we conceding a few minutes after we scored? Why the fuck are we not clearing our lines in the last seconds before half time? You would think players would learn, it happened against the Arse and happened again.

Why the fuck are we missing chances galore? We could have scored before going 1-0 and then at 1-1 Ndombele should have scored.

I think we need an overhaul in our squad, we are two windows but mainly one window behind - get rid of the shit and bring in who we need including defenders and full backs and go from there...

 

[Fidget]

I can’t possibly see any basis for wanting to keep him.

- He has lost the dressing room
- He is tactically inept
- We have been terrible for a year
- He has never won anything here or elsewhere and is showing no sign of doing so any time soon
- He plays one system and every team from Bayern Munich to Colchester has rumbled it

I don’t care if you think half the players need to leave. I don’t care if you think ENIC need to fuck off. Those are separate points which can be debated in their own time in their own ways but neither of them make up for Poch’s woeful inadequacies which are NOT changing any time soon.

Totally with you. Bloody hell!!! Time changes the needs of everything. Time has done with Pochettino and Spurs for me. Thought he could turn Levy’s water into wine but it dun turn vinegar tween leaving the bottle and hitting dat glass.

 

[markiespurs]

Sadly It’s Poch out for me, tonight’s 2nd half capitulation was the proverbial straw that broke the camels back.

We’ve been playing badly for over 9 months now and Poch has shown very few, if any, signs that he is able to turn things around.

 

[JCRD]

Also Bayern finishing was unreal.

Gnabry was on absolute fire

 

[Fidget]

Oh good!!!!
Votes cast at 52:48.
How did Brexit turn out?

 

[markiespurs]

IN

Sorry but soemtimes its the players that are the problem. Why did we press in the first 30 mins then just crumble in the last hour? Actually why the fuck are we conceding a few minutes after we scored? Why the fuck are we not clearing our lines in the last seconds before half time? You would think players would learn, it happened against the Arse and happened again.

Why the fuck are we missing chances galore? We could have scored before going 1-0 and then at 1-1 Ndombele should have scored.

I think we need an overhaul in our squad, we are two windows but mainly one window behind - get rid of the shit and bring in who we need including defenders and full backs and go from there...

Strange your for giving Poch more time when virtually everything you’ve mentioned is a product of poor coaching.

 

[spursfan77]

I can’t possibly see any basis for wanting to keep him.

- He has lost the dressing room
- He is tactically inept
- We have been terrible for a year
- He has never won anything here or elsewhere and is showing no sign of doing so any time soon
- He plays one system and every team from Bayern Munich to Colchester has rumbled it

I don’t care if you think half the players need to leave. I don’t care if you think ENIC need to fuck off. Those are separate points which can be debated in their own time in their own ways but neither of them make up for Poch’s woeful inadequacies which are NOT changing any time soon.

Thanks for typing that all out so I didn’t have to. That’s pretty much my thoughts too. Spot on.

 

[Spurus]

Oh good!!!!
Votes cast at 52:48.
How did Brexit turn out?

If stay wins I want a second referendum.

 

[THX2208]

 

[Deleted member 27995]

In.

On the basis of two things -

1) Bin this shitty formation and go back to what brought you success in footballing terms on the pitch.

2) Bin the players who are supposedly "agenda" driven in the dressing room. You've done it before you can do it again. There must be some youth who will once again listen to you and run through those metaphorical walls.

Bar fighting for forth in the league and the F.A Cup (if that floats your boat) this season can 'get in the fucking sea'.

Anything else is guess work unless someone comes up with some nailed on info that's as transparent as that box David Blaine sat in years ago and tried to be the smartest magician in the room with.

 

[Oh Teddy Teddy]

In for now. Out if we lose to Brighton

 

[JCRD]

Strange your for giving Poch more time when virtually everything you’ve mentioned is a product of poor coaching.

I know it seems contrary but Son missing chances that he would normally oput away is not poor coaching, Ndombele missing a sitter is not poor coaching. Players not clearing things away is not poor coaching. Yeah I know theyre asked to retain possession and that should be the case but doubt he is saying keep hold of it when youre in your 18 pressured left right and centre.

We pressed in the first 30 - what happened after?

I have criticised him about the style of play, I started a thread about it, but what i am pissed off about is 3-1 he should have made the change, instead he waited for 4-2. Why?

If it is poor coaching, why, if he hasnt changed his methods, have we become poor at what we are doing?

Perhaps it is his stubborness that will be his downfall - maybe who knows.

Lots of questions and some of it is ranting but because i think Poch deserves the time but at the same time with this current crop, i cant see how it will change.

 

[razzmaster]

Sorry mate bigger picture weve been shit for about a year now and on the decline. Squad and tactics and motivation are a mess. Did I also mention Colchester?

Yeah you did mention Colchester. I have put it in bold and underlined it for you.