Poch: In or Out? - You CAN change your vote

[sausage]

The way this is going we’ll be calling for allardyce in February to be our manager to save us from relegation.

100% I am not advocating him to be our manager, I’d hate it but if we don’t sort it out by Christmas we will be seeking a relegation avoidance expert in in February or March. We are that bad.

There's a perverse thought in my head that wants to see what Harry would do with this squad, so if we needed a short termer...

 

[dontcallme]

There's a perverse thought in my head that wants to see what Harry would do with this squad, so if we needed a short termer...

Crouch out of retirement and get Defoe to end his loan spell at Rangers.

There is part of me that wouldn't mind him initially as a short term appointment.

 

[sausage]

Crouch out of retirement and get Defoe to end his loan spell at Rangers.

There is part of me that wouldn't mind him initially as a short term appointment.

It's based purely on players saying how great he was at motivating and making players set up a level. Could do good things for this lot if it came down to a short term job

 

[dontcallme]

It's based purely on players saying how great he was at motivating and making players set up a level. Could do good things for this lot if it came down to a short term job

I actually agree.

I remember when Levy first took over. He sacked Graham and hired Hoddle. But results remained the same and we were going nowhere.

Levy fired Hoddle and gave Pleat the job for the rest of the season. He then looked strongly into the club at every level and at the end of the season hired a DOF, head coach and a whole new setup.

I think our dealings in the summer were good but the 3 years before were poor.

Hiring Redknapp for the rest of the season and give people time to apply for the job could be a good idea.

 

[Spurger King]

This is the exact same thing I have been saying for what seems like an age - Glad I'm not the only one who sees the limitations of Poch's counter-press. I would argue that Poch has acted too late with the recycling of the squad, and you could argue that that is where Levy should have backed him more.

For me, it's never been about the system or style of the counter-press, it's what Poch does when it becomes clear that he no longer has the players to play his system? He is very limited as a tactical coach and that is what is killing us right now.

When I hear fans at the stadium singing he's magic, I often question there understanding of our manager and I can not for one moment honestly understand how they think he is going to turn things around.

I have said this recently, but if fans wanted to see an example of how flawed Poch is, then you only have to look at the Bayern game. 30 minutes of scintillating high intensity and high counter-pressing football followed by "I have no idea what to bloody do next" football. It polarised just how limited he really is. Simply put, without the press he is average.

It’s been interesting watching the development of our pressing game. When he overhauled the squad we’d see glimpses of it. Then we saw it more regularly, only for the players to burn out at the end of the season. The season before last we had a nice balance of high intensity and intelligent game management, where we’d take the lead and park the bus, slowing everything down and generally reserving energy. Last season he tried the same thing, but the high intensity of our CL campaign caused all sorts of issues in the league.

Now the players are another year older and no doubt demoralised after the final. Physically and emotionally drained. In fairness to Pochettino I think he recognises this and has tried to adapt his approach, but the approach (especially the diamond) hasn’t worked out.

I still have a lot of time for Pochettino. He’s worked wonders at the club (though, as under Redknapp, his era will be viewed as a massive missed opportunity), so part of me would like to see how we do when the summer signings actually get regular playing time.

Unfortunately the problems are mounting up. He relies on a system that needs fresh, young, and talented blood capable of meeting his high intensity approach, but also develops strong bonds with the players. The two aren’t really compatible. Ferguson always had a good blend of experience and youth, making it easier to maintain that balance over several years (along with the money and pull of United), though he gave up on that in his last couple of seasons. Pochettino is relying on us striking gold every 2 to 3 years on young talent, or buying the best available (hard to argue that the summer signings didn’t fit this model).

All of which is immaterial if he’s lost the dressing room, which it looks like he has.

 

[freeeki]

Surely even Levy must now see that giving Poch another transfer window to try and turn things around is too big a risk at this point.

It should be clear to anyone not blinded by sentimentality that Poch is not turning this around. We’re not getting top 4.

I said weeks ago that our points haul for the previous 20 games, including last season, set us on course for finishing on 41 points this season, and many people laughed at me. Well, here we are, a third of the season gone and we’re on 14 points.

Make no mistake, we’re on course for a relegation shit fight.

Fuck sentiment, I really hope we don’t have to bear witness to many more dreary, mushy monologues about how Poch has worked wonders here before and therefore must be given even more of a chance. The trajectory he has set us on through the lack of team motivation, organisation and desire is going to drive us in to the ground.

Thanks for the past but if Levy won’t sack him I hope he has the decency to resign.

And fans need to stop thinking we’re too good to go down. No team is.

If we don’t turn this around rapidly, we can and might be drawn in to a relegation battle. Less than 6 months after being in the UCL final. It’s a fucking disgrace what’s happening at this club, and shame on everyone happy to tolerate it a day longer.

 

[Nebby]

Forget the past. Today we play ponderous and hesitant football. Our system exposes two very poor fullbacks and teams have this sussed. Our manager does bugger all in response. He did nothing to ease the load on Davies, who was being isolated all game, and he did nothing to stop the supply that was coming from deep.

 

[Marauder]

There's a perverse thought in my head that wants to see what Harry would do with this squad, so if we needed a short termer...

Don't be silly, do you think he would ever want to work with Levy and ENIC again? Anyone half decent that makes inroads with us (Martin Jol, Harry Redknapp, and now the best of the lot Pochettino) always gets, how shall I put it, fed up sooner or later by their "model" of running the club.

 

[dontcallme]

Don't be silly, do you think he would ever want to work with Levy and ENIC again? Anyone half decent that makes inroads with us (Martin Jol, Harry Redknapp, and now the best of the lot Pochettino) always gets, how shall I put it, fed up sooner or later by their "model" of running the club.

Redknapp has spoken very highly of Levy since leaving.

 

[sausage]

Don't be silly, do you think he would ever want to work with Levy and ENIC again? Anyone half decent that makes inroads with us (Martin Jol, Harry Redknapp, and now the best of the lot Pochettino) always gets, how shall I put it, fed up sooner or later by their "model" of running the club.

I don't think Harry got fed up at all - he is quite reflective of his time and I think he knows he took a good thing for granted with us.

I'm not really too sure what you're saying there beyond that - Redknapp spent a lot of money with us.

 

[Primativ]

Don't be silly, do you think he would ever want to work with Levy and ENIC again? Anyone half decent that makes inroads with us (Martin Jol, Harry Redknapp, and now the best of the lot Pochettino) always gets, how shall I put it, fed up sooner or later by their "model" of running the club.

Yet strangely managing Spurs was the highlight of their careers.

 

[Marauder]

Redknapp has spoken very highly of Levy since leaving.

Probably just needs a good reference. He sure didn't speak highly of him during the last few months of his tenure.

 

[dontcallme]

Probably just needs a good reference. He sure didn't speak highly of him during the last few months of his tenure.

They had their ups and downs but there's no way his relationship with Levy is at a level where he wouldn't want to manage us which is what you bizarrely claimed.

 

[dontcallme]

Probably just needs a good reference. He sure didn't speak highly of him during the last few months of his tenure.

Also LOL at a football manager needing a reference from a chairman. Managing a premier league team is a pretty public job, teams don't hire on the basis of what a rival chairman has to say about the manager.

 

[Marauder]

Yet strangely managing Spurs was the highlight of their careers.

Of course, it's the biggest club they have managed. But after a few years the "model" starts to wear off, they are constrained from pushing us further, the game is up, they carry the can, and the next yes man is brought in, until he gets constrained/fed up, rinse and repeat.

 

[sausage]

Of course, it's the biggest club they have managed. But after a few years the "model" starts to wear off, they are constrained from pushing us further, the game is up, they carry the can, and the next yes man is brought in, until he gets constrained/fed up, rinse and repeat.

I think you're painting an alternative reality of how things work out for those managers - like they resign, and don't go out wanting to stay

 

[Marauder]

I think you're painting an alternative reality of how things work out for those managers - like they resign, and don't go out wanting to stay

Resign? And miss out on the big sack pay off? They may be principled but not that principled

 

[Trotter]

Yet strangely managing Spurs was the highlight of their careers.

Disagree. Managing Spurs may have been the biggest club he managed, but I am sure winning the FA Cup with Portsmouth he would consider higher.
Similarly Jol managed and won National Cup with a side as big as us, so highlight of his career would be at either Ajax, or Roda where he also won Dutch Cup.

 

[Larryfromthelane]

When Poch took over we had a defence of

Lloris
Walker Dawson Vertonghen Rose

Yesterday we started with

Gazza
Aurier Sanchez Dier Davies

Aside from signing Toby, who now wants to leave, he has massively degraded our defence. The worst thing is he was a defender

 

[ardiles]

Yet strangely managing Spurs was the highlight of their careers.

i thought Harry’s career highlight was managing England . Oh !