Poch: In or Out? - You CAN change your vote

[Ronwol196061]

That's not why Walker left.

I know why Walker got better

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

That's not why Walker left.

Wasn't it something to do with something Poch wrote in his book about a meeting they had? Walker didn't agree with his version or like that he'd gone public with it.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

Fuck knows what people will do with their time once Levy and Poch leave.

 

[Primativ]

I find it puzzling why people like Gards have such blind faith in Poch.

I think Poch has proven over the course his time with us that he can be a very good manager, but not a special one.

Why do people like Gards try to pin all the blame on Levy and ENIC? Did Levy tell Poch to play Son at Wingback against Chelsea in the cup semi final? ??‍

We’ve also had ITK from different sources that Poch has been incredibly stubborn with regards to player acquisitions. He’s morphing into AVB more and more


The evidence that Poch wasted chances to win things at Spurs due to tactical blunders and a failure to install a winning mentality when it really matters is clear to see.

I think a reasonable summary of Poch’s time with us would be he did a really good job but ultimately fell short of doing a special job, and now it’s all fallen apart as he’s actually quite limited in many ways and not elite level. No hard feelings. We move on.

It’s always easy to blame the evil corporation and bald chairman instead of lovable Poch and I think Gards isn’t looking at it objectively but is blinded by his emotionaattachment to Poch.

I think if you look at the performance level and results of our first team combined with the general poor player recruitment over time Poch has been here, I think you have to say something is severely broken and the obvious place to look is Poch. As he is directly responsible for the former and certainly has a big influence on the latter....

 

[Ronwol196061]

Fuck knows what people will do with their time once Levy and Poch leave.

Put the clocks back?

 

[Ronwol196061]

Wasn't it something to do with something Poch wrote in his book about a meeting they had? Walker didn't agree with his version or like that he'd gone public with it.

Did this happen in Ukraine?

 

[Deleted member 27995]

Put the clocks back?

Well, it won't stop them making fucking stupid comments, so yeah, why not?

 

[BringBack_leGin]

So we have people who are
Pro Poch Anti Levy (Gards)
Anti Poch Anti Levy (@scat1620 )
Anti Poch Pro Levy (@BringBack_leGin ?)
Pro Poch Pro Levy (me?)

Massively divided fan base which I think we could all do with taking a step back from and realise this is a difficult period and there are lots of strong opinions but no obvious solution ...

Other than in the heat of the moment after a match I think my overriding sentiment has been that I’d rather Pochettino turned it around.

 

[Ronwol196061]

Other than in the heat of the moment after a match I think my overriding sentiment has been that I’d rather Pochettino turned it around.

Most of us would but how long would you give him.There are clues,but beating Red Star twice wouldn't constitute any special belief that he could.
I don't think Pochs in a very good place now. I think he is confused in whats happened as he has so much faith in his own system and I guess wonders why its not working. You can only blame individual players for so long.
Poch is great at certain things,but can he develop his system into something more? and how long should it take?
Im not sure if he really has the goods.

 

[Deleted member 29446]

For me I don’t give to much thought into Levy/Enic as they haven’t build us a training ground and stadium of world class. I know they’re also causing problems of their own.

But the facts is that Poch has the 3rd best squad in the PL and it’s his job to make them perform.
They don’t perform so he has to go. It’s that simple for me right now.

 

[Ronwol196061]

For me I don’t give to much thought into Levy/Enic as they haven’t build us a training ground and stadium of world class. I know they’re also causing problems of their own.

But the facts is that Poch has the 3rd best squad in the PL and it’s his job to make them perform.
They don’t perform so he has to go. It’s that simple for me right now.

How much time does he have?

 

[spursfan77]

Wasn't it something to do with something Poch wrote in his book about a meeting they had? Walker didn't agree with his version or like that he'd gone public with it.

That book has a lot to answer for I suspect.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

I find it puzzling why people like Gards have such blind faith in Poch.

I think Poch has proven over the course his time with us that he can be a very good manager, but not a special one.

Why do people like Gards try to pin all the blame on Levy and ENIC? Did Levy tell Poch to play Son at Wingback against Chelsea in the cup semi final? ??‍

We’ve also had ITK from different sources that Poch has been incredibly stubborn with regards to player acquisitions. He’s morphing into AVB more and more


The evidence that Poch wasted chances to win things at Spurs due to tactical blunders and a failure to install a winning mentality when it really matters is clear to see.

I think a reasonable summary of Poch’s time with us would be he did a really good job but ultimately fell short of doing a special job, and now it’s all fallen apart as he’s actually quite limited in many ways and not elite level. No hard feelings. We move on.

It’s always easy to blame the evil corporation and bald chairman instead of lovable Poch and I think Gards isn’t looking at it objectively but is blinded by his emotionaattachment to Poch.

I think if you look at the performance level and results of our first team combined with the general poor player recruitment over time Poch has been here, I think you have to say something is severely broken and the obvious place to look is Poch. As he is directly responsible for the former and certainly has a big influence on the latter....

Agree

 

[Wsussexspur]

i think alot of people’s frustration with Levy/Enic is that we pay a lot of money for our Match tickets season tickets etc we keep hearing we are signing mega sponsorship deals and how we are a top 6 club with World record turn over etc. yet we have seen ourselves stagnate badly on the pitch. Now to be fair to levy this isnt All his fault and Potch needs to take his share of the blame On this. But for Me we are paying now for our lack of investment in the squad over the past 2/3 years (this summer was a step in right direction on the incomings side of things but in some ways it was too late to correct many of the issues that have occurred this season).

On the whole under Daniel Levy/enic our activity in the transfer market and the way we act in the transfer market has left a lot to desired. I think this is why we struggle more than most clubs to complete transfers as clubs purely don’t want to deal with a Daniel Levy and his games anymore.

With the out goings I’m sure one of the reasons clubs didn’t come in for Eriksen as an example was that again they didn’t want the hassle of negoating with Daniel Levy when they can wait 6 months and directly negotiate with Eriksen Etc. Same reason why we struggle so badly to shift ”deadwood” compared to other clubs.

By all accounts Daniel Levy loves the reputation he has built over the years for squeezing every penny out of transfer deals. But as I say I think this reputation has come back over past couple of years to badly hurt the club.

For some one who I think I’m right in saying is the highest paid director in the premier league which i think since how much he earns has come out has attributed some of the problems in the squad given how he handles salary negations and his infamous bonus contracts for players.

Given the next two transfer windows are going to be massive for the club he has to sort the mess of our transfer activity out! It doesn’t matter who the manager is if he doesn’t sort this out then we are going to end up being left even further behind.

 

[coys200]

There’s probably more players that have got worse under Pochettino than have got better. In the current squad only Sissoko and Son have improved in last 2 years maybe Winks. Numerous have gone backwards to the point of falling off a cliff. The whole “wait till Pochettino gets hold of them” really is nonsense. 1 academy player established in 6 years. He took the Dutch international starting No 9 and reduced him to the Mexican league.

 

[thelak]

I find it puzzling why people like Gards have such blind faith in Poch.

I think Poch has proven over the course his time with us that he can be a very good manager, but not a special one.

Why do people like Gards try to pin all the blame on Levy and ENIC? Did Levy tell Poch to play Son at Wingback against Chelsea in the cup semi final? ??‍

We’ve also had ITK from different sources that Poch has been incredibly stubborn with regards to player acquisitions. He’s morphing into AVB more and more


The evidence that Poch wasted chances to win things at Spurs due to tactical blunders and a failure to install a winning mentality when it really matters is clear to see.

I think a reasonable summary of Poch’s time with us would be he did a really good job but ultimately fell short of doing a special job, and now it’s all fallen apart as he’s actually quite limited in many ways and not elite level. No hard feelings. We move on.

It’s always easy to blame the evil corporation and bald chairman instead of lovable Poch and I think Gards isn’t looking at it objectively but is blinded by his emotionaattachment to Poch.

I think if you look at the performance level and results of our first team combined with the general poor player recruitment over time Poch has been here, I think you have to say something is severely broken and the obvious place to look is Poch. As he is directly responsible for the former and certainly has a big influence on the latter....

I’m sorry but this is absolute bs

So many people trying to re write history in here

poch is done and should be doing better with the current squad but right now is not just on him

A lot of our recruitment is down to Levy. Why do you think Paul Mitchell left? Why didn’t we get Mane when he had worked with Poch and wanted to come? Long list of players levy haggled over wages or refused to work with the agent on

 

[LeParisien]

Fuck knows what people will do with their time once Levy and Poch leave.

Probably complain about the shitty american buyers saddling our club with debt to their benefit and bitching about our new manager Peter Crouch.

Agree

I disagree with you but I don’t know why anyone would give that a Doh rating. Some people !

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Probably complain about the shitty american buyers saddling our club with debt to their benefit and bitching about our new manager Peter Crouch.


I disagree with you but I don’t know why anyone would give that a Doh rating. Some people !

It’s Eastlondonyid mate he seems to get a kick out of dohing for no reason, he probably has very small feet.

As to the post I agreed with to be fair it’s really not straight forward and as I’ve posted previously I don’t think there is any use in blaming poch or Levy but I think both of them have areas they can improve on.

poch: team selections and in game tactics can be better
Levy: player recruitment set-up and transfer execution could be better

what is your view on it all mate?

 

[coys200]

This actually shocked me. If you take out 86pts in 16/17. Then 4 of his completed 5 seasons have an average of 70pts. That’s only 2 pts better than the 5 seasons before he arrived.

 

[Kspur]

This actually shocked me. If you take out 86pts in 16/17. Then 4 of his completed 5 seasons have an average of 70pts. That’s only 2 pts better than the 5 seasons before he arrived.

well if you’re being selective to support your view, why not just take out all the ones you don’t like?

maybe just use the first season and this season?

?