Match Threads Sheffield United Vs Spurs

[chrissivad]

ManU rotated and won, there is no blame with using the squad, its needed. That team out there should have been good enough for this match.

You rotate with players that you can trust and count on.

We brought in Sanchez...
I was fine with the other changes, but Perisic and Son should have come off early when it was obvious they are still in poor form.

 

[Trix]

Bit of all those things but Conte/Stellini have to take most of the blame with the line up

I agree, out of interest what would your line up have been?

 

[YB123]

I agree, out of interest what would your line up have been?

Originally i said

Forster

Romero Dier Lenglet

Porro Skipp Sarr Perisic

Danjuma Rich Son

but after remembering boro game and reviewing the teams left in it, it obviously had to be stronger.

Forster

Romero Dier Lenglet

Porro PEH Skipp Perisic

Richy Kane Son

 

[talkshowhost86]

From that starting 11 last night I'd say I only really want four of them at the club next season, and they all have massive caveats.

Son - Legend but based on this season he's not a benefit to the squad.
Porro - Too soon to be too critical but certainly too soon to be confident he'll work out.
Sarr - Similarly looks positive but based on very little time on the pitch so far.
Richarlison - More hope than expectation on Ricky. Doesn't feel like this one has worked but we need to give it more time.

Everyone else? Simply not up to it at the level we are aiming for.

 

[Darth Vega]

From that starting 11 last night I'd say I only really want four of them at the club next season, and they all have massive caveats.

Son - Legend but based on this season he's not a benefit to the squad.
Porro - Too soon to be too critical but certainly too soon to be confident he'll work out.
Sarr - Similarly looks positive but based on very little time on the pitch so far.
Richarlison - More hope than expectation on Ricky. Doesn't feel like this one has worked but we need to give it more time.

Everyone else? Simply not up to it at the level we are aiming for.

You could make a case for Hojbjerg. He's the Jordan Henderson of the team, limited but good enough to have around the squad so long as he isn't the first name in the midfield. As the 4th or 5th choice midfielder we could do a lot worse.

 

[max cady]

From that starting 11 last night I'd say I only really want four of them at the club next season, and they all have massive caveats.

Son - Legend but based on this season he's not a benefit to the squad. As I said previously needs benching to find his head again.
Porro - Too soon to be too critical but certainly too soon to be confident he'll work out. I will rate him after a few more games were he constantly starting. Given we are out of both cups and Emerson's form I cannot see the game time yet.
Sarr - Similarly looks positive but based on very little time on the pitch so far. See Porro, when all are fit will he get game time as even how poor PEH has been Skipp will come in.
Richarlison - More hope than expectation on Ricky. Doesn't feel like this one has worked but we need to give it more time. Again not enough starts or game time to judge yet.

Everyone else? Simply not up to it at the level we are aiming for. I would keep Dier around for back up.

 

[ralphs bald spot]

ManU rotated and won, there is no blame with using the squad, its needed. That team out there should have been good enough for this match.

so did Sheffield United

 

[Swalien]

We should have gone in for Chiellini in the summer. A proven winner and a great influence for the rest of the side. Instead we got Perisic.

 

[TheChosenOne]

I said last night that the team didn't come over to clap the fans at the end.

I am now hearing Harry came over as always - and possibly Ben Davies. That's it.

 

[Pistols At Dawn]

I do not think rotation was the culprit. This one is down to the players, full stop.

The weather was terrible. Sheffield fouled and put the ball out of play all the time to break up rhythm. I get it. A miserable day for a football match.

And yet, we had enough quality on that pitch to win. The players just needed to step up and fight. And they didn't.

They were too cold and wet and arrogant.

 

[Jenko]

Sanchez had a shit game. If that was Romero we'd have won. Agreed with the lineup otherwise although would have started Danjuma myself. Spilt milk now ?

 

[rabbikeane]

It’s not lucrative to win cups v CL and the management obviously feel the squad can’t manage both

True, but it makes it not lucrative to follow the club. After all it's not about just this season, it's every season, a club philosophy.

 

[ralphs bald spot]

I do not think rotation was the culprit. This one is down to the players, full stop.

The weather was terrible. Sheffield fouled and put the ball out of play all the time to break up rhythm. I get it. A miserable day for a football match.

And yet, we had enough quality on that pitch to win. The players just needed to step up and fight. And they didn't.

They were too cold and wet and arrogant.

the problem is deeper than just the players not giving it - we play a style of play that is not based on dominating the ball we rely heavily on break away football and last night the lack of ball players in the side shows - we didn't move the ball with any real penetration we go side to side far to often - there was no cohesion in the side which is not surprising with the number of changes - the whole mentality of leaving players at home is a nonsense do you think if they had got to a cup final players would want to be rested of course not - it was a decent chance to win a trophy players and the management should have needed no encouragement last night to go and get a result - Sheffield united won't have an easier game this season they knew if they dropped off Spurs are so limited especially when Kane doesn't play geez if he walks out the door in the summer there will need to be a huge rethink

 

[Joshua shepherd]

Because we played Chelsea sunday, play Wolves on saturday and Milan on wednesday.

Sheffield changed 8 players.

We changed "only" 5
Son, last years top scorer, in for Kane. Should be enough.
- Porro (40m) for Emerson. Should be enough.
- sanchez (40m) for Romero. Should be enough.
Sarr for Skipp also should be fine. As should Perisic for Lenglet.

This has nothing to do with playing our best players. We should not need to.

Edit: Forgot Lucas for Kulu.

Being last seasons top scorer has no bearing on how he's currently performing - he's been poor all season and shouldn't be in the starting 11 right now. However bringing in Son as the only change would've probably been okay.

Saying Porro should be enough because he cost £40m is nonsense, he hasn't done anything to prove he's good enough, has had limited time to train with the team and has had even less time on the pitch with them. Added to that the only times he has played have been alongside Sanchez and Tanganga, I don't expect him to be up to speed. Again, if he was the only change it would've probably been alright and would've allowed him to build a relationship with Romero.

Sanchez... £40m, 6 years ago. The price has no bearing on how he should perform and the truth is he's not been good enough for a long time now, okay he had a solid period towards the end of last year in a settled team but throwing him into a side full of changes was never going to work, as it has proven time and again since he joined.

Sarr for Skipp - no problem there.

Perisic for Davies/Lenglet - no problem there.

Lucas for Kulu - the less said about Lucas the better.

Overall though, it's not the individual changes in themselves (although we saw recently with just one change we went from beating city 1-0 to getting hammered by an awful Leicester team.

Making wholesale changes was never going to work, it's happened time and time again, there really should be no surprise that we lost last night.

 

[Styopa]

What makes the whole thing even worse is we would have played Blackburn at home in the QF. What an incredible opportunity that would have been to make an FA cup SF.

 

[jurgen11]

True, but it makes it not lucrative to follow the club. After all it's not about just this season, it's every season, a club philosophy.

We should be able to do both - look at ETH at United , given the ammunition to compete on all fronts and will qualify for CL this season whilst collecting pots at the same time, look at the lift that gives club players and fans - no wonder he turned us down

 

[Nebby]

Sanchez had a shit game. If that was Romero we'd have won. Agreed with the lineup otherwise although would have started Danjuma myself. Spilt milk now ?

With that midfield and forward line, I'm not so sure we would have scored had we played them twice.

Son is going through a major loss of form and nothing he tries is coming off, Lucas did what Lucas does (runs down blind alleys, holds onto the ball for too long and rarely looks like scoring), and Richarlison was pathetic - or rather apathetic; I was appalled by his display more than anyone else. The body language, the sulking, the general lack of effort. It's not like he's some free-scoring superstar being unfairly treated by the manager. He looks like £60m wasted.

And then there was the midfield, that got schooled by a kid on loan from City. He was streets better than Sarr and Hojbjerg on the night.

But I still blame Conte most and his inability to change formation and tactics. Three at the back against one CF who's knocking on 40 and doesn't have any pace. I guess he's on a bonus if we finish top four, because last night he clearly wasn't interested in winning the Cup.

 

[Pistols At Dawn]

I think Ally Gold nails it here -- a long read, well worth it.

Sarr's meticulous call that impressed Conte and curious case of Davinson Sanchez

Here are our Tottenham talking points after their 1-0 defeat at Sheffield United to exit the FA Cup in the fifth round on Wednesday evening

www.football.london

EDIT: And no, I am not Ally Gold.

 

[jurgen11]

I said last night that the team didn't come over to clap the fans at the end.

I am now hearing Harry came over as always - and possibly Ben Davies. That's it.

disgusting - shame on the other 12

 

[only1waddle]

Watching the goal back again I'm at a loss to see how both Sanchez and Dier standing off with hands behind their backs has a positive effect over putting an actual tackle in, albeit this is obviously coached, in that situation it's an absolute nonsense.