Spurs to lose points if Pompey don't complete the season?

[faymantaray]

The powerbrokers at the Premier League are desperate to avoid the south-coast outfit going bust, which would make them the first professional English League club to go out of existence since Maidstone United in 1992. Maidstone's demise as a Third Division club, just two days after the Premier League began, was not so problematic for the Football League, given that the Stones didn't even kick a ball that season. But Aldershot FC went out of business five months earlier, on March 25, just weeks before the end of the 1991-92 season.
Aldershot's entire record was expunged and the league was recalculated as a 22-team division, and this is what the Premier League must fear, as its rules state that the same would happen. The Premier League needs the season to be completed in full.
There would inevitably be winners and losers should Portsmouth's results be wiped out. Manchester United would have six points cut, and Chelsea three, meaning a four-point gap would re-open. Arsenal would lose six points and would surely be out of the title race. Liverpool would be the big winners in the battle for fourth, losing no points at all, as they were defeated at Fratton Park while Pompey have yet to visit Anfield. Tottenham and Aston Villa would lose three points, but Manchester City would see six points wiped out. Rafa Benitez's men would be firmly in pole.
The biggest losers at the foot of the table would be West Ham (four points) and Bolton Wanderers (three). Wigan, Wolves and Burnley would not lose a single point. It would cast Bolton adrift at the bottom and put West Ham only out of the drop zone on goal difference rather than with the four-point cushion they enjoy now.

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif] 13 Wigan Pld 25 Pts 25
14 Sunderland Pld 24 Pts 24
15 Wolves Pld 25 Pts 24
16 West Ham Pld 25 Pts 23
17 Hull Pld 26 Pts 23
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18 Burnley Pld 25 Pts 23
19 Bolton Pld 25 Pts 20 [/FONT][FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif][/FONT]
[FONT=Times,serif]Premier League relegation picture with Portsmouth's record expunged[/FONT]

Expunging Pompey's record is the only fair solution. You cannot automatically award victories in the fixtures Portsmouth would have played. Assuming their opponents would win every game, when Portsmouth have hardly performed to Derby County standards, doesn't make sense. The teams that have lost to Portsmouth, like Wigan and Wolves, would be the ones aggrieved instead. And that's why the Premier League will do everything in its power to make sure Portsmouth complete their fixtures. West Ham are desperate to keep their four points. Co-owner David Gold said recently he would personally loan Portsmouth £10 million, but there is no way the Premier League will allow such a conflict of interest, designed to protect the Upton Park club through a cross-club loan.

From http://soccernet.espn.go.com/columns/story?id=746477&sec=england&root=england&cc=5739

 

[faymantaray]

...and Liverpool none.

 

[fazza]

Stupid, why not just give everyteam an automatic 6 points, so if you won 1 and drew one against them you will be awarded 2 more points, if you lost 1 your awarded 3 points, it's not rocket science and a fair way surely.

 

[bubble07]

so we would actually gain on villa city and the scum. Not bad. We would then only be 6 points behind the scum and still need to play them at the lane

 

[OpenHeartZoo]

Stupid, why not just give everyteam an automatic 6 points, so if you won 1 and drew one against them you will be awarded 2 more points, if you lost 1 your awarded 3 points, it's not rocket science and a fair way surely.

How the hell is that fair? That means you'd not only be awarding points to teams who haven't even played them, you'd actually be awarding three points to a team who lost fair and square to them (Liverpool).

I can't see that there is a fair way to do it whatsoever, the FA basically need to make sure they finish the season no matter what.

 

[Star_of_Davids]

It is likely that they will survive the season. If no buyer is found by tomorrow they will be placed in administration. Once that happens the winding up order against them will be postponed until the administrators have had time to sort out the debts. That is likely to take until at least the end of the season

 

[mattdefoe]

man city beat em to.

 

[camaj]

so we would actually gain on villa city and the scum. Not bad. We would then only be 6 points behind the scum and still need to play them at the lane

Read again

Liverpool would be the big winners in the battle for fourth, losing no points at all, as they were defeated at Fratton Park while Pompey have yet to visit Anfield. Tottenham and Aston Villa would lose three points, but Manchester City would see six points wiped out. Rafa Benitez's men would be firmly in pole.

 

[Blockbuster]

This would open up a whole can of worms which the EPL will not want to face and it could force the season to be stopped.

IF Pompey go out of business and the EPL wipe their results off and we lose 3 points ect.
What happens to the other games which were effected by playing Pompey? take for instance Jermain Defoe he got a straight Red against Pompey and missed 3 games 3 games which we hardly scored a goal or won any games.

IF we didn't play Pompey as our wiped out result shows JD would not have been sent off and he would have played those 3 games and who knows he might have scored?
Do we then reply those matches too just in case??

the EPL will do everything they can including giving payments early to stop this.

 

[AllSeeingEye]

How the hell is that fair? That means you'd not only be awarding points to teams who haven't even played them, you'd actually be awarding three points to a team who lost fair and square to them (Liverpool).

I can't see that there is a fair way to do it whatsoever, the FA basically need to make sure they finish the season no matter what.

It is likely that they will survive the season. If no buyer is found by tomorrow they will be placed in administration. Once that happens the winding up order against them will be postponed until the administrators have had time to sort out the debts. That is likely to take until at least the end of the season

Exactly, the Premier League have benefitted from Pompey this season so they must assist Pompey's finish even if they are liquidated - which as SoD has pointed out is unlikely. Besides, don't they get £30M at the end of the season even if they are dropped?

And a capacity of at least 15K @ £25 odd for the remaining 5 or 6 home fixtures will net them at least £1.8M, it's not like they don't have any cashflow at all.

RELAX!

 

[Hoowl]

There would inevitably be winners and losers should Portsmouth's results be wiped out. Manchester United would have six points cut, and Chelsea three, meaning a four-point gap would re-open. Arsenal would lose six points and would surely be out of the title race.

That's just stupid logic. Yes Chelsea would only lose three points rather than six but they'd also lose a game in hand on United, which you have to assume they probably would have won. Arsenal also have a game in hand on United but they've played Pompy twice so wouldn't lose it. Therefore the net result on Chelsea, United and Arsenal will be effectivey the same and Pompy going bust would have no effect on the top three.

Before:

Team ---- played --Pts
Chelsea --- 27 ---61
United -----28--- 60
Arsenal ----27--- 55

After:

Team ---- played --Pts
Chelsea --- 26 ---58
United -----26--- 54
Arsenal ----25--- 49

The difference come in the teams who have dropped points against Pompy, of whom Liverpool are one. However, it's obviously the farest way (or least unfarest way) of doing things.

 

[Destroyer]

If Portsmouth go bust before we play them it would be better suited for us, as that way if we beat them or get injuries it will of all been for nothing. Ive known this for weeks now that all games would be classed as void if Portsmouth fold, up until a week ago Liverpool would of gone 3rd & had we not lost to Wolves we would only of been 3 points behind Arsenal in 4th.

 

[Destroyer]

What i did also hear was that only the bottom 2 clubs will be relegated if this happens.

 

[fazza]

How the hell is that fair? That means you'd not only be awarding points to teams who haven't even played them, you'd actually be awarding three points to a team who lost fair and square to them (Liverpool).

I can't see that there is a fair way to do it whatsoever, the FA basically need to make sure they finish the season no matter what.

Its the easiest way to deal with it, either that or just get rid of all points as they were gonna do. How else are you supposed to do it????? The way you say might not be possible, sure it's the right way but we might not have that option.

 

[mil1lion]

I really hope this doesn't happen. There is no fair way to do it whatsoever. It would be typical if we lost out on 4th place because of this.

What i did also hear was that only the bottom 2 clubs will be relegated if this happens.

It's gonna be complicated. The EPL is ok because you just take the 19th and 18th place teams and relegate them. Then send 3 up from the Championship to get 20 teams again. But then they'll have to send 1 extra team from League 1, 1 from League 2 etc.

 

[camaj]

Besides, don't they get £30M at the end of the season even if they are dropped?

Good point, surely the PL can use this money to prop them up. Would the tax man really force them out of business with no leaway? You'd think a payment of £30m would buy them some time.

Couldn't they also release players from their contracts and let them go as free agents (which I belive is permissable) they could at least save some wages.

 

[Cozzie]

SSN reporting that Portsmouth will go into administration as of tomorrow. At least that means they will complete the season.

 

[gibbs131]

SSN reporting that Portsmouth will go into administration as of tomorrow. At least that means they will complete the season.

Good job Harry! You sunk them with your Spurs rejects wages..haha.

 

[guate]

GIBBSY......what a terrible thing to say, shame on you

QUE VIVA LOS SPURS

 

[mil1lion]

I actually think Harry has done his best to help them out. I mean, why else would he sign Kaboul :shrug:

I kid really, Kaboul has potential