SpurSince57
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Shome mishtake, shurely? :grin:
Mido seems unable to shake off the Curse of the Pharoah's Groin.
As IOMLS says, there just aren't that many strikers around.
strikers? how about Mido and Zaki??
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Shome mishtake, shurely? :grin:
Mido seems unable to shake off the Curse of the Pharoah's Groin.
As IOMLS says, there just aren't that many strikers around.
bubble07
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I hope the mirror is correct and that harry wants to get rid of Pav. IMO his not good enough. May be a bit unfair as he needs time and has just played a full season for russia blah blah blah but I have yet to see any real glimpses of quality. If you havn't got quality you need to work hard and he at the moment is doing neither
SpurSince57
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It would help enormously if he actually got the ball now and again, and had some support when he did. He was completely isolated for much of the first half on Monday.
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Scoring goals is a bloody good quality in my opinion. But each their own.
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Arsenal will probably mug us off with Bendtner
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Absolute rubbish Bubble. Pav received the ball 4 times on Monday night, but he works hard 'running about' as Harry would put it. His first touch has been poor the last couple of games, but in general he holds it up fairly well. We just need to get players closer to him. He knows where the back of the net is without doubt.
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I agree we need players closer to him but the reason they can't get closer is because he can't hold the ball up for long enough and if you can't hold the ball up you need to be confortable playing off the shoulder and running onto through balls. His movement is fine but he lacks so much pace that even if he manages a few yards of space through his movement the centre backs catch him up.
I hate to critisise our players especially the big money signings but unless he improves his hold up play he will not improve us. Everytime i've watched him whether it be at the lane or on tv he very very rarely wins any headers and is easily shrugged off the ball. I know I shouldn't compare but Berbatov was so so good at that. I'm not sure we can get a stat on this but I even think Bent wins more in the air and his the one thats meant to be playing on the shoulder of the last defender.
His goal return is ok for a debut season in a foreign league. The rate he is going i would expect him to score another 10-12 goals in all competitions taking his season tally to around 18 goals but his overall play is not good enough
There is absolutely no chemistry between Bent and Pav. In time it should improve but I can't see it improving enough to make it a good partnership and i'd rather have Bent over Pav as he offers more to the team
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How about no and maybe (Zaki still needs to prove himself in my opinion).
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Actually Zaki looks a useful player - i know he's still getting used to the Prem, but definitely doesn't seem to be intimidated by anything!
Plus he looks like a hard worker.
I reckon he could play as a second striker in a 4-4-2, could work well holding the ball up for the likes of Bent.
I think Zamalek wanted around £7m for him, but he might be worth a cheeky bid - say £4-5m.
Plus he looks like a hard worker.
I reckon he could play as a second striker in a 4-4-2, could work well holding the ball up for the likes of Bent.
I think Zamalek wanted around £7m for him, but he might be worth a cheeky bid - say £4-5m.
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I tried hard not to start bent bashing but cant help myself... there is no chemistry between bent and any other striker, thats the problem!!! He hasnt really played well with keane, berbatov, defoe, campbell or pav.
Well I agree that with the type of ball Pav gets he doesn't hold it very well but how often does he lose it when the ball is played to his feet or chest. For the majority of ball that he doesn't hold up, they are usually over his head so at best he can only flick the balls on.
I think with poor quality balls he would be better if he was aggressive but he is not at that moment that type of player.
I would rather criticise the players that provide the poor quality balls than the player that has to deal with it.
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IMO the only strikers in the Prem that we could realistically (?) get who would be better than what we've got are:
1) Roque Santa Cruz
2) Benjani
3) Marlon King (maybe..)
1) Roque Santa Cruz
2) Benjani
3) Marlon King (maybe..)
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But he has scored 12 goals already this season and has a good goal scoring record. The same could be said about Torres, other strikers struggle to play well with him and he doesn't form partnerships. Kuyt, Crouch, Keane etc. None of them play well with him, or haven't managed to so far, but you would never think of calling Torres a bad striker.
It is about getting the movements right and figuring out how they can complement each other. When playing through the middle, it seems Pav likes to drop off the front and when he does his movements are side to side. His close control is maybe not perfect, so he isn't that great at holding up the ball, but if the midfield could get close enough to him to get the ball to him simply enough he will open up space in the defence. His side to side runs mean he can get available easy enough, but also means that diagonal runs into the space behind where he has come from become available. There is no reason why Bent with his play off the shoulder style can't make those kind of movements and benefit.
When the ball is wide and Bent needs to make movements towards the front post so to create space for Pav to get his head on it. Not only would it open up space for his strike partner, but would also stretch the target for the cross. Right now the crosses from Bentley or Lennon have to be almost pinpoint. Lennon has the abilty to beat a man and smash across the box, but Bentley has to try and whip a ball in and land it on a sixpence. It wouldn't be difficult for Bent to attack the front post bringing his man with him.
While they may never link up well directly as neither is a creative type, they can definately both work space to help the other out. What I'm getting at is that there are other ways of being a good strike partnership other than being creative and having great vision. Hopefully Les will be able to work on those kind of things with them. Lets face it, people said he and Shearer wouldn't be able to play together either, but then they scored nearly 50 goals between them in one season.
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Coyboy
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oops
Couldn't resist being a smart ass.
ChRiStOpHe
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People forget that the season Mido played week-in-week-out we were a dodgy lasagne away from finishing 4th :roll:
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He did well for us. I have never understood the animosity towards him. Unfortunately for him when he signed permanently he was 4th choice behind Berbatov, Keane and Defoe and so got very little chance to get a run and continue his decent recored with us the season before. We then sold him for a profit.
We've had plenty of worse strikers than Mido, that is for sure.
