Swiss Ramble Article on our finances

[Mullers]

Wasn't really pointing to you, no. "We is us, all of us. We is us".

Who is us? You mean the club? The supporters?

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

Who is us? You mean the club? The supporters?

SC-users.

 

[newbie]

Bale and Modric going where inevitable in the player market in Europe and was not the problem it was the total ineptitude of "whoever" when choosing so many 'wrongens' as replacements. Very Spursie sadly.

I agree what I meant was there was to much change rather than replacing them with a couple of players and strengthening we signed a tonne of average players, who maybe are not all average but when you sign so many players it takes time to gel and is not fair on the signings either. But that still does not mean they cant work hard and fight for the shirt.

 

[SteveH]

I agree what I meant was there was to much change rather than replacing them with a couple of players and strengthening we signed a tonne of average players, who maybe are not all average but when you sign so many players it takes time to gel and is not fair on the signings either. But that still does not mean they cant work hard and fight for the shirt.

"Fighting for the shirt" I think the bus has left.....and to be fair in the main they have!



Paulinho £17,000,000
Nacer Chadli £7,000,000
Roberto Soldado £25,800,000
Etienne Capoue £8,600,000
Christian Eriksen £11,000,000
Erik Lamela £25,800,000
Vlad Chiriches £8,500,000

= Hindsight

Not terrible players but not right for EPL

 

[cliff jones]

I can only think of Cole, Keown, Parlour and Adams.
Winterburn, Bould and Dixon were all bought, and the team was made up of the rest of their lucky signings, such as Bergkamp, Overmars, Petit, Ljungberg etc.

In fact, "The Invincibles" were in 03/04 before ground was broken on their new stadium, and their most frequent line-up was: Lehmann; Lauren, Campbell (Judas), Touré, Cole; Viera, Gilberto, Ljungberg, Pirés; Bergkamp, Henry.

Your right that since then they've bought in their young players, with Wilshere being the only true youth product in their first team these days and Wallc**t, Oxlaide-Chamberlain, Gibbs, Chambers, Ramsay, Sneezy, Gnabry, Coquelin, Bielik and more being all signed/bought by the club between 15-19 years old. Pretty much the same as what we did with Bentaleb.


I don't think their failure to challenge has been due to the lack of youth system, it's more to do with Arsenal's dry period of spending between 2004 and say 2011 or so, rough estimates of when the stadium affected their transfers. They also sold off all the decent players they had to City and Barca, which had a big impact.

nice analysis, but the crux is simply that they finished top four on a much smaller buget than their rivals for several years, which proved with great coaching that this can be done. shame we havent got a coach fit to lick his boots, le batard.

 

[225]

nice analysis, but the crux is simply that they finished top four on a much smaller buget than their rivals for several years, which proved with great coaching that this can be done. shame we havent got a coach fit to lick his boots, le batard.

I think they'd already establish their team, though. Granted there were retirements, but they had set a style of play that worked for them, so identifying cheaper replacements was easier.

We've flipped and flopped our 'system' with the managers over the years, so consistency is key for the future.

 

[StartingPrice]

Our matchday revenue will be boosted to just less than Arsenal. Even if we do get a bigger capacity we will receive less due to no Champions League (unless we do get in). We are currently planned for 56k. But very strong rumors that it might be over 60k.
Liverpool and West Ham will both have theirs boosted by then but would still be less that probably Chelsea. This due to lack of additional corporate.

Yes, our match-day revenues will be quite close to the Goons and they have the second biggest stadium in the top flight. So, our stadium being the size if is is not at all meaning we will stop competing - which is the point I was responding too. As said, my opinion is that the youth set-up and purchase of young, quality players not at their peak can make us competitive. We did that with the Bale/Modric team - it is keeping the players that is the problem, and an increased capacity stadium will allow us to pay higher wages and so may help us to keep players as they mature.

I've heard 56K but also 58K, on more than one occasion. I know there has been a recent revision - I would hope that they will push the capacity upwards, but only if it is accompanied by smart thinking. And so long as they are certain it will be filled - do not want to end up like Sunderland.

 

[Lilbaz]

Yes, our match-day revenues will be quite close to the Goons and they have the second biggest stadium in the top flight. So, our stadium being the size if is is not at all meaning we will stop competing - which is the point I was responding too. As said, my opinion is that the youth set-up and purchase of young, quality players not at their peak can make us competitive. We did that with the Bale/Modric team - it is keeping the players that is the problem, and an increased capacity stadium will allow us to pay higher wages and so may help us to keep players as they mature.

I've heard 56K but also 58K, on more than one occasion. I know there has been a recent revision - I would hope that they will push the capacity upwards, but only if it is accompanied by smart thinking. And so long as they are certain it will be filled - do not want to end up like Sunderland.

We need a mix. Academy, stadium, commercial and success on the pitch.

The 58k was the original capacity before we introduced the kop. Lazy journalists still use the figure and don't fact check.

 

[StartingPrice]

I can only think of Cole, Keown, Parlour and Adams.
Winterburn, Bould and Dixon were all bought, and the team was made up of the rest of their lucky signings, such as Bergkamp, Overmars, Petit, Ljungberg etc.

In fact, "The Invincibles" were in 03/04 before ground was broken on their new stadium, and their most frequent line-up was: Lehmann; Lauren, Campbell (Judas), Touré, Cole; Viera, Gilberto, Ljungberg, Pirés; Bergkamp, Henry.

Your right that since then they've bought in their young players, with Wilshere being the only true youth product in their first team these days and Wallc**t, Oxlaide-Chamberlain, Gibbs, Chambers, Ramsay, Sneezy, Gnabry, Coquelin, Bielik and more being all signed/bought by the club between 15-19 years old. Pretty much the same as what we did with Bentaleb.


I don't think their failure to challenge has been due to the lack of youth system, it's more to do with Arsenal's dry period of spending between 2004 and say 2011 or so, rough estimates of when the stadium affected their transfers. They also sold off all the decent players they had to City and Barca, which had a big impact.

Sorry, expressed this poorly, and probably doesn't fit the facts either - my bad.

What I meant to say was that whether via their academy or via buying young players and slowly introducing them to the first team, ArseAnal/Whinger developed a reputation (I've never examined it) for bringing young players through. So, when they put their stadium project into effect, the theory was that they would continue to compete without having to spend big on transfers - which conventional wisdom said they couldn't do, anyway, due to the costs of the stadium.

The perception was that they were doing this - like I said, I've never examined it. My only input in that score has been to say frequently that I don't believe that the Whinger is particularly good at selecting defenders, and particularly central defenders, for the EPL. He basically inherited the back line that carried them to their major success, and then stole Soiled Oddball. Once that back-line, or its immediate dressing room influence was gone they began to look less solid. But as for their young players, like I said, I accepted the prevalent belief that they were continued to bring young players through, but player defections began to take its toll.

In more recent times, I am aware that when Liam Brady left his job with them he lamented the fact that their academy was markedly behind ours now, at least in terms of player quality (whether he meant in terms of overall philosophy I cannot say).

 

[225]

Sorry, expressed this poorly, and probably doesn't fit the facts either - my bad.

What I meant to say was that whether via their academy or via buying young players and slowly introducing them to the first team, ArseAnal/Whinger developed a reputation (I've never examined it) for bringing young players through. So, when they put their stadium project into effect, the theory was that they would continue to compete without having to spend big on transfers - which conventional wisdom said they couldn't do, anyway, due to the costs of the stadium.

The perception was that they were doing this - like I said, I've never examined it. My only input in that score has been to say frequently that I don't believe that the Whinger is particularly good at selecting defenders, and particularly central defenders, for the EPL. He basically inherited the back line that carried them to their major success, and then stole Soiled Oddball. Once that back-line, or its immediate dressing room influence was gone they began to look less solid. But as for their young players, like I said, I accepted the prevalent belief that they were continued to bring young players through, but player defections began to take its toll.

In more recent times, I am aware that when Liam Brady left his job with them he lamented the fact that their academy was markedly behind ours now, at least in terms of player quality (whether he meant in terms of overall philosophy I cannot say).

I think his reputation might have been "prefers kids to the older ones".

 

[StartingPrice]

We need a mix. Academy, stadium, commercial and success on the pitch.

I agree - or, just in case there was any confusion, I wasn't disagreeing

The 58k was the original capacity before we introduced the kop. Lazy journalists still use the figure and don't fact check.

Maybe that's where I've been getting it from.

 

[Lilbaz]

I agree - or, just in case there was any confusion, I wasn't disagreeing



Maybe that's where I've been getting it from.

Why the spam SP?

 

[StartingPrice]

Why the spam SP?

Sorry, I thought you were asking why I was talking SPAM, then I saw that you had been spammed. I haven't given you a SPAM. I had to check in case I had accidentally done so - but, nope, neither deliberately nor accidentally. Not guilty

Nah, seriously, must have been a twitch or summit - I didn't deliberately give you any rating for that post, so it's not even the case of hitting the wrong button. No idea how it happened. Gremlins...ooohhhhaa ooohhhhhahahahhaaaaa (SP runs around in white sheet).

 

[Lilbaz]

Sorry, I thought you were asking why I was talking SPAM, then I saw that you had been spammed. I haven't given you a SPAM. I had to check in case I had accidentally done so - but, nope, neither deliberately nor accidentally. Not guilty

My mistake. It says Startingprice. You must have a twin.

 

[ryantegan]

Levy tries to make up a fee based on performance related payments.

On this basis, I doubt the famous 7 have cost us much at all

 

[spurs9]

I accept your point ,but we overacheiving in what in European terms is looking increasingly like a poor technical league.Our Europa league exploits have proven this recently ,by repeatedly losing in the knock out stages to so called 2nd tier European teams.

I don't think it is a fair comparison. The PL is the most physically demanding top league in Europe, so playing twice a a week takes more out of you compared to other leagues and at the same time, we are in the most competitive league too, so we don't have the luxury of prioritising Europe without it effecting the domestic league.

Even if we accepted that the PL isn't a more physically demanding league and that there are no easy games in our league (despite players new to the league often comment on both points), we still have 5 teams "better" than us (10 games), Dortmund only have 1 team (2 games) and Atletico Madrid 2 teams (4 games), which plays into the thinking when playing in a competition, that isn't as prestigious.

Also, the only time we have been in the CL, we gave a damn good account of ourselves. I could be wrong, but I think we scored the most goals at group stage, despite a very difficult group and got to the 1/4 finals. Just to put that into perspective, the last 15 years, both Dortmund & Atletico Madrid have only got to the 1/4s or further, 1 more time than us.

1 final point, the German and Spanish leagues also get a winter break and how much this helps the teams be able to handle 2 games a week can only be speculated, but I would bet it would have a positive effect on fatigue, especially in the later rounds.