The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 10th August

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D1 on COYS:

Told v quiet we are struggling to move players out and Daniel does not want to spend what we do not receive first which makes me think the maddison , vdv buys was the kane money

told most likely is another center half over a forward , they like orban and are monitoring but no more than 50/50 chance of a deal , center half more likely

This makes it sound like we didn't have a budget in the first place. Kind of unbelievable.

 

[Daytripper]

Same shit, different transfer window

 

[piedpiper]

The only surprise, is that people are still surprised

Or even getting upset. It's just the way our ownership works. They not here to win trophies or make progress on the field. It is what it is....until they gone. Balance the books first.

 

[WiganSpur]

Thx for the info. Not surprised one bit. We are the only club in the PL that needs to sell to spend. Strange really.

I actually don't think that's true. We are just incredibly bad at selling. All of the top clubs have the same issues as us but they all manage to get enough players out in an efficient manner. Even the disorganised United have managed to shift out 3 more first team players than we have on a permanent basis this summer.

 

[brasil_spur]

Thanks for the info.

Every year we should have a good transfer budget of around £80-£120m to improve the squad (just look at what our rivals regularly spend).

This year we've also sold our talisman for £100m so should have around £180-£220m to spend.

We've spent around £105m (the Porro and Deki transfers don't count - see posts above).

So where has the rest of the money gone?

Appreciate the ITK and it's not wildly unexpected. But it doesn't make it any less unacceptable.

Yeh if that latest bit of ITK is true then we should be very worried. As it stands we've net spent €380m since the summer of 2020. That's €95m per season average net spend.

Whilst it may seem to Levy and co. that this is a lot of money, it pales in comparison to the other teams we're competing for top 4 with and includes a €120m injection from our owners.

Hopefully that ITK is more opinion than anything else and we're instead just playing things close to our chest. Quite a few of the players we've signed have either come out of the blue and/or happened fairly quickly over the last couple of years.

 

[HildoSpur]

A derisory fee is better than no fee at all. We have to at some point face the facts that we are going to be paying players that we can't even register to play very very soon. So what exactly is an "acceptable fee" for a player you can't use and yet are still paying a hefty wage, because It's certainly not the market rate.

If it were my business I'd be on the blower to his agent and letting the likes of Ndombele leave for nothing right now if he could find a club, because all he is is a drain on resources and we are never going to recoup any money on him. Every season that we keep him, and loan him out whilst subsidising his wages it costs us more and more.

I get that but no club (that would be interested) is going to pay the wages Ndombele would demand even if we let him go for free. I do agree we need to get rid asap though.

 

[fletch82]

Tottenham hotspur is a business that has a side track of a football team its been like this under enic for like always.
not sure Why people expect any different IF this info is true it's just falling in line with how it's always been under Daniel and Joe.

 

[Archibald-CPH]

A derisory fee is better than no fee at all. We have to at some point face the facts that we are going to be paying players that we can't even register to play very very soon. So what exactly is an "acceptable fee" for a player you can't use and yet are still paying a hefty wage, because It's certainly not the market rate.

If it were my business I'd be on the blower to his agent and letting the likes of Ndombele leave for nothing right now if he could find a club, because all he is is a drain on resources and we are never going to recoup any money on him. Every season that we keep him, and loan him out whilst subsidising his wages it costs us more and more.

And a small fee is better than none, when they run down their contract

 

[Thenewcat]

we have to shift atleast 9 out to bring in 3. So as of now I would be surprised if we bring 1 in. We really have to clear out soon for any hope of a winger & striker in this summer

And we’ve needed to shift almost all of those 9 since the second the window opened. I honestly think this is the most incompetent transfer window ever from levy, and that’s saying something

 

[Thenewcat]

Nope. It's a big disingenious to include Porro/Kulu but you can add Richy to that if you want as well and we'd still be very disappointed.

VDV, Maddison, Soloman, Kulu, Porro and Richy (ignoring the kids) is very much another Bale/Beatles moment and it's substantially worse than when Bale left.

We're missing several key players/positions.

I’m livid about the failure to move players on, but I think this is an exaggeration. For the 7 players we got one star (Eriksen) and 2 decent squad guys (Coco and Chadli). I’d be surprised if the guys you list turn out that poorly. I think we are missing one keep player (a CF) and two important depth pieces (another CB and a winger). When I look at the first XI it’s only CF that worries me

 

[JamieSpursCommunityUser]

So let me understand this correctly........

If we'd have bought VDV, Maddison, Soloman, Vicario, Phillips and Veliz AND completed the Kulu and Porro transfers AFTER Harry was sold, we'd be over the moon, but because some of this business was concluded BEFORE we sold Kane, it's been a shambolic transfer window.

Thanks for confirming that I can be angry about it because I was a little confused.

Take out Kulu and Porro and we've been outspent by Luton.

So there really is no need for us to self sabotage the rebuild YET AGAIN just to squeeze another £2m for Japhet Tanganga.

We can and must be strategically and financially assertive in showing players out of the door, going back to 3-4 years ago.

Not asking Rose, Wanyama, Sanchez, Winks, Dier very nicely to leave or we won't be able to buy their replacements.

 

[cjbyid]

Mad that a lot of players we are struggling to offload will just end up staying, running their contracts down and leaving for nothing.

Any other club would just admit defeat right now and sell for a lower price (I reckon Daniel is asking for stupid prices) or even tear up a contract or two.

 

[yiddopaul]

This makes it sound like we didn't have a budget in the first place. Kind of unbelievable.

Or more likely, we did. They just don't want to spend any more money.

 

[WiganSpur]

Mad that a lot of players we are struggling to offload will just end up staying, running their contracts down and leaving for nothing.

Any other club would just admit defeat right now and sell for a lower price (I reckon Daniel is asking for stupid prices) or even tear up a contract or two.

Whilst we pay them huge wages to be left out of match day squads. Levynomics.

 

[belsunz]

A derisory fee is better than no fee at all. We have to at some point face the facts that we are going to be paying players that we can't even register to play very very soon. So what exactly is an "acceptable fee" for a player you can't use and yet are still paying a hefty wage, because It's certainly not the market rate.

If it were my business I'd be on the blower to his agent and letting the likes of Ndombele leave for nothing right now if he could find a club, because all he is is a drain on resources and we are never going to recoup any money on him. Every season that we keep him, and loan him out whilst subsidising his wages it costs us more and more.

From a business perspective (as I am sure that’s the perspective Levy is looking from), it makes no sense to keep these unwanted and not-to-be-registered players come September 1. These are assets that 1. will further decline in value because there are no catalysts to appreciate their value (since they are not registered) and 2. their wages only make their total cost without return heavier. Added to that, they seemingly obstruct an injection of more quality in his business (= value appreciation of the club as whole)

At one point, Levy will have to start cutting his losses on the deadwood.

 

[JayB]

Mad that a lot of players we are struggling to offload will just end up staying, running their contracts down and leaving for nothing.

Any other club would just admit defeat right now and sell for a lower price (I reckon Daniel is asking for stupid prices) or even tear up a contract or two.

We've seen this before with the likes of Aurier, Dele, Wanyama, and Rose. Holding on to players for too long, paying their wages along the way as their value continues to decline and then losing them for next to nothing. You'd think that a businessman such as Levy would understand the concept of a sunk cost but no lessons appear to have been learned.

 

[Lou3000]

D1 on COYS:

Told v quiet we are struggling to move players out and Daniel does not want to spend what we do not receive first which makes me think the maddison , vdv buys was the kane money

told most likely is another center half over a forward , they like orban and are monitoring but no more than 50/50 chance of a deal , center half more likely

Three days before Kane's transfer was final. Ange clearly received the message from Levy.

"We've been planning for this, it's fair to say, for a while. It doesn't take too much investigative work to realise that this was going to happen. So we've planning for it to sort of happen anyway, our business up to now had that in mind so this doesn't change things dramatically."

I don't disagree with the supposed, data-driven rebuild. The squad is significantly younger than it was last season, but I think emotionally, the fans expect an exciting, marquee signing to replace Kane. Statistically, Richy, Solomon, Kulu, and Maddison do not replace Kane's goals.

 

[rossdapep]

I’m livid about the failure to move players on, but I think this is an exaggeration. For the 7 players we got one star (Eriksen) and 2 decent squad guys (Coco and Chadli). I’d be surprised if the guys you list turn out that poorly. I think we are missing one keep player (a CF) and two important depth pieces (another CB and a winger). When I look at the first XI it’s only CF that worries me

Yeah I don't think its that bad. Chiriches, Paulinho, Soldado and Capoue were all a disaster and none of those we brought in have been that bad or I see being that bad.

There are unquestionably holes in the group though

 

[WiganSpur]

We've seen this before with the likes of Aurier, Dele, Wanyama, and Rose. Holding on to players for too long, paying their wages along the way as their value continues to decline and then losing them for next to nothing. You'd think that a businessman such as Levy would understand the concept of a sunk cost but no lessons appear to have been learned.

It's probably an ego thing. Can't be seen to have lost by having to eat humble pie and come down on his asking price from earlier in the window.

When the reality is, I think most on here would be praising him if he got any money at all to shift most of these players permanently.

 

[SamR]

D1 on COYS:

Told v quiet we are struggling to move players out and Daniel does not want to spend what we do not receive first which makes me think the maddison , vdv buys was the kane money

told most likely is another center half over a forward , they like orban and are monitoring but no more than 50/50 chance of a deal , center half more likely

And this is exactly why Kane left.