The Daily ITK Discussion thread 13th August

[$hoguN]

If Raphael says he's not interested in joining us then I would say that's that.

Like all journalists his info should be taken with a pinch of salt

 

[Essexyid07]

One good thing about signing Ade late is saving 3 weeks wages.

Is that you Daniel?

 

[ginger]

Arsenal want both mvilla, and sahin and all our summer dealings are hanging on Arsenal not getting their way for both it seems

 

[nailsy]

Interesting that Grey Fox says it's a striker other than Ade. I assume it's Leandro Damiao but I wonder if it could be a surprise signing?

 

[THOWIG]

Like all journalists his info should be taken with a pinch of salt

He's a very good one though.

 

[Toela65]

Yeah agree there, just found it bizarre that he is supposedly not interested in coming to us but is interested in a move to a team we have finished above for years

I have some info on Sahin. What I've been told is exactly what Honigstein has said above, however I've been told Arsenal are 99% nailed on to sign him unless something stupid like agreeing wages messes it up.

The main reason Liverpool are serious conteners is that he's been told he'll play every game in his favourite position/role, but more importantly, due to Jose and Rodger's being so close friends, and with Mourinho rating him so high (It all goes back to the Chelsea days), he'd like the player to join up with Brendan. Sahin much prefers Arsenal however, but is willing to consider Liverpool as a second choice just in case.

The LFC offer made to Madrid is also more preferable to them than Arsenals I'm told, so another reason they would like him to seriously consider Liverpools interest.

The quotes attributed to Sahin regarding Newcastle and Liverpool last week were entirely fictious as I said at the time.

There is also one as yet unamed club also involved but person I spoke to don't know who it is other than its not Spurs????

I think its United who want to sign him permanently.

I'll pass on anything else I get told or come across but I'm as sure as sure can be that he will soon be an Arsenal player unless Wenger does a classic Wenger and manages to grasp defeat from the jaws of victory!

 

[AX-Spur]

So, the lack of ITK and signings have broken the heart of my computer (must have been a Spurs fan!). Now I occupy my wifes computer and my impopularity at home is increasing at an alarming rate. I now worry that I have to sleep on the porch tonight, with no access to internet... This is very worrying...


But not as worrying as our lack of signings...

 

[Gedson100]

This transfer window is on a knife edge IMO
Linked with players such as Sahin, M'Vila, Moutinho, all in similar positions & would be mightlity peeved if they end up at our rivals (NS, YM) or staying put (JM).
Can't see Llorente happening & again would be well annoyed if we missed out on Damaio, although no-one else seems to be in the running. I suppose we are closest to Ade and maybe Lloris and whilst Ade is necessary, we do need significantly more.

News on outgoings wouldn't go amiss. Surprised the media isn't concocting more 'Defoe to wherever' stories and such considering we're supposed to know who is surplus...
Bit of 'only want to go to a CL club' nonsense being quoted too. Maybe as the window draws to a close and these players realise that their best chance of CL football is a season long loan at Celtic, they might realise what we've got to offer.

Can but wish that the ITK could start lining up pointing in the same direction sooner rather than later, as recent contradictions aren't doing much but muddy the waters. We're really in the dark right now!

Still it's plenty interesting and an exciting couple fo weeks to come. Just need to solidify some of these deals and get organised.

 

[SpurSince57]

I don't agree with this. There were quotes last week from Sahin saying he would join us and that Mourinho had spoke highly of AVB.

I think Sahin would have gone elsewhere if Madrid weren't hoping to offload him onto us. AVB clearly wants Moutinho and that is what is stopping that deal happening.

Almost any journo other than Honigstein I'd be far more dismissive, but this guy really does know his shit—see Hap's post. I somehow missed those quotes from Sahin, but we've had an awful lot of contradictory reports on this one.

 

[Toela65]

No that's ridiculous of course, there's no reason at all to prefer Liverpool over us for a loan move, we should have every advantage over them here. "Categorically won't join Spurs" - ridiculous.

He's only here for one season. If he doesn't get a champions league club then he won't be particularly bothered who he plays for out of clubs not in the champs league, who have little chance to win the league, are in Europa and have a chance of a cup final.

Then, also, he would be bothered about who the coach was, style of play, players he'd be playing with and most importantly his wages.

When you look at it like this, as it has been expalined to me, you can see why he could/would sign for any of Spurs, Liverpool, Newcastle. He won't care about where the 'best of the rest' outside the top 4 finsihed the last few years as he is only here for 1 year, so its of little significance to him.

 

[Spurger King]

For those that have been placed on suicide watch, can we all remember that this is not Football Manager and is the real world. If you take the facts that we have had the Euros, Olympics this summer, FFP coming in and add the general economic climate it is not suprising it is difficult to do business, it does not mean we are not trying.
If you then factor in that AVB is fairly new and wanted to see what he had got before moving, which is a sensible approach then you have where we are, which is better than the City who even with their wealth and the promise of CL can't do any business as yet.
I too, would have preferred early business and two world class strikers done and dusted by end of June, but being realistic and knowing that we are trying to do exciting deals places me a long way from the ledge of despair.

Good post, and it makes a lot of sense. I'm unusually calm at the moment as even if we don't get someone in for Newcastle I suspect we'll be sorted soon. However there's inevitably going to be some nagging doubt amongst the supporters (at best), or a feeling of impending doom (at worst) when the clock keeps ticking down and we still only have Defoe and Kane as our strikers...not to mention the Modric saga that could easily leave us severely lacking in midfield.

I suspect the next couple of weeks are going to be exciting and nerve-racking in equal measures.

 

[bgoldie]

Sorry if this has already been posted. David on FTL earlier about rumours that we've agreed to sell Modric for £25m:

still not true...Ade is though!

 

[Pringle]

good news on both counts then! Didnt believe for 1 second that we would sell Modric for that price but its always good to have it confirmed. Both David and Ben have now confirmed the Ade deal - alongside Peanut these guys are the ITKs I have most faith in

 

[RJ1882]

The same story ive read for over a month - he is available and Arsenal aint the type to wait until the last day of the window so why hasnt he joined? The Song story is irrelevant as this has run far longer than his proposed to Barca, plus the fact they are completely different types of player. Sahin will not join Arsenal imo - they already have Song, Diaby, Wilshere, Cazorla, Rosicky, Arteta and Ramsay who play in the midfield 3 which they normally employ.

Song could go, Diaby is ridiculously injury prone, Wilshire night never play again. Cazorla might need time to settle, rosicky is pants bar a clip last season. Arteta good and Ramsey pretty awful.
Room for quality in there.

 

[Pringle]

Song could go, Diaby is ridiculously injury prone, Wilshire night never play again. Cazorla might need time to settle, rosicky is pants bar a clip last season. Arteta good and Ramsey pretty awful.
Room for quality in there.

Thats a lot of could and maybes in there!

 

[steve]

Sahin for a year with no long term option and no desire for the player to stay longer is not ideal, even less so if Modric goes. I'd prefer one of the other players permanently we've been linked with...

An off topic question - if AVB puts his faith in player(s) considered shite by some people on here will they criticise the player or the manager who picks them? I'm talking Jenas, Bentley, Huddlestone, GDS etc....

 

[sweyid]

Sahin for a year with no long term option and no desire for the player to stay longer is not ideal, even less so if Modric goes. I'd prefer one of the other players permanently we've been linked with...

An off topic question - if AVB puts his faith in player(s) considered shite by some people on here will they criticise the player or the manager who picks them? I'm talking Jenas, Bentley, Huddlestone, GDS etc....

I'd actually like to see Gio being given a chance under AVB, think he could be quite good as an inside forward.

 

[tttcowan]

I have some info on Sahin. What I've been told is exactly what Honigstein has said above, however I've been told Arsenal are 99% nailed on to sign him unless something stupid like agreeing wages messes it up.

The main reason Liverpool are serious conteners is that he's been told he'll play every game in his favourite position/role, but more importantly, due to Jose and Rodger's being so close friends, and with Mourinho rating him so high (It all goes back to the Chelsea days), he'd like the player to join up with Brendan. Sahin much prefers Arsenal however, but is willing to consider Liverpool as a second choice just in case.

The LFC offer made to Madrid is also more preferable to them than Arsenals I'm told, so another reason they would like him to seriously consider Liverpools interest.

The quotes attributed to Sahin regarding Newcastle and Liverpool last week were entirely fictious as I said at the time.

There is also one as yet unamed club also involved but person I spoke to don't know who it is other than its not Spurs????

I think its United who want to sign him permanently.

I'll pass on anything else I get told or come across but I'm as sure as sure can be that he will soon be an Arsenal player unless Wenger does a classic Wenger and manages to grasp defeat from the jaws of victory!

Thanks for the info but,
Da fuck?!?!???

I thought AVB and Jose were supposed to be good mates? Certainly more so than Rogers? That concerns me for some reason.

 

[sweyid]

I want to be Bennie's friend!

I like him, a LOL!

FYP

 

[SpurSince57]

Sahin for a year with no long term option and no desire for the player to stay longer is not ideal, even less so if Modric goes. I'd prefer one of the other players permanently we've been linked with...

An off topic question - if AVB puts his faith in player(s) considered shite by some people on here will they criticise the player or the manager who picks them? I'm talking Jenas, Bentley, Huddlestone, GDS etc....

An interesting quandary.