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If italy have been geting on by the reputations of their clubs in the 90s then how do you explain the massive success in CL wins they have had in the 00s? Not that Serie A is better then the PL.
You didn't take results you took a statistic which does not by itself mean much. It is also historical and thus not reflective of today. The UEFA coefficient is a good way to measure league strenth and it has Spain ahead of England.
Another way to indicate how Spain might be ahead of England is in the players who have come to England from Spain. for example
Torres- In Spain before joining liverpool Torres was a cult figure rather then generally being thought of as world class. The season befor joining Liverpool he had scored 15 goals in 40 games. At liverpool in 46 games he scores 33. In spain his best season he only scored 21 goals out of 40.
Silva- Before joining Man city he was dropped from the Spanish starting line up, and played only 4 minutes after the first game in that compition. In La Liga he was considered a good player, but not a star of the league. In England on the other hand he is one of the best players in the league.
Aquero- Some story as Silva, although the season before he left Man city was also very good. But again the club he played for finished 7th and 9th the two previous seasons, a club he was not even considered the best player of in all but the last season.
This again is not proof that the PL is the better league but does suggest it could be the case. If you want me to bring out the head to head record of Spanish v English clubs I am sure it will not be flattering for the English clubs.
What massive success is this? They've won the CL 3 times, same amount as England, but they've only been in the final 5 times, we've been in the Final 8 times, that's over 50% more. So this massive success isn't actually massive at all.
I didn't take results? I specifically looked at the abundance of finalists from each nation, those are results, the accumulated results of each competition. There's an article from March that goes into even more depth and England comes a very close 2nd to Spain for European success and that doesn't include our winning it this season.
So, because more Spanish players are leaving Spain for England, that makes their league better? That logic is wrong. Surely if players are emigrating from Spain to England it shows the attractiveness of our league. If more English players were going to Spain I'd say we're not as attractive as La Liga.
So, because Torress was a considered a 'cult figure' and then became world-class in england makes us weak? What the fuck? Torres was 23 when he joined the scouse, he wasn't even in his prime, you can attribute his jump to world-class through him achieving his vast potential.
As for Silva, you say he was dropped from the Spain side. Well now he's as City he's back in the Spain side, funny how that works eh?
Aguero is even worse, you're attributing the failure of his club team as a reflection on his skills? How ridiculous is that? Aguero was world-class at Atletico, he's world-class now, he's just in a far superior team.
All you've done is point out circumstantial evidence which isn't even evidence and skewed it towards your own opinion. It's a case of making a conclusion then cherrypicking items to suit said conclusion.
Please bring out the winning record of english teams versus spanish teams. I've never said we were superior, I'm arguing that we're not inferior, to Spain, Germany and Italy. If you want you can find some circumstantial evidence to make Germany and Italy better too.