The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - Or is it? 28th July 2014

[fatpiranha]

The way some of our fans talk about our current players is beyond a joke sometimes.

... but kind of the whole point of a football forum .

 

[markiespurs]

Because DL will make them pay well over the odds.

If Abramovich has his assets frozen, then they might not be able to afford him anyway

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

Can't believe there's been hardly any ITK since the JR and MS news broke...

Yes, Sir.

Jay‏@ryantegan
Jay Rod agreed terms in Toronto and Id guess Morgan Schneiderlin following THFC on twitter coincided with him agreeing. Just waiting on fee

Edit: Jay later dismissed that this was ITK.

 

[Drexl]

How can anyone feel Paulinho is right for us when he did what he did in that free kick last season? that was one of the most shameful things i have ever seen a Spurs player do

Lost almost all of the respect i had for him that day

 

[idontgetit]

Some sensitive people on these boards. Paulinho had an awful season with us last year and had a rubbish world cup. He's got a great touch and makes some very tidy short passes. He however doesn't have much vision, can't pass long and despite always trying to get in the box, doesn't usually end up on the end of anything. His distance shooting isn't great, he's weak in the tackle and he's not a set-piece specialist. The biggest issue is that his defensive positioning is awful.

I don't see him getting preferred to Holtby, Eriksen or Lamela in one of the forward roles, he's not a DM. That leaves him competing with Dembele, Bentaleb, Mason, or even Eriksen or Holtby for the other deeper role. You can add 2 from Sandro/Capoue/Schneiderlin if he wants to play two deep players.

If he stays I'd give him nothing but support and be the happiest person in the world if he proved me wrong. But this is a discussion board and at the moment all I can see are some clever touches and a lack of focus on defensive responsibility. If Poch was going to play a genuine 4-3-3 then maybe it would be different

 

[maltahotspur]

And if Abramovich has his assets frozen, then they might not be able to afford him.

Well then...., no pay......, no play.

 

[13VanDerBale13]

Yes, Sir.

Jay‏@ryantegan
Jay Rod agreed terms in Toronto and Id guess Morgan Schneiderlin following THFC on twitter coincided with him agreeing. Just waiting on fee

Edit: Jay later dismissed that this was ITK.

let me just get my popcorn....

 

[0-Tibsy-0]

Pauli would suit them way more than us, and Lukaku would be a great bit of business

Lukaku isn't good enough with ball at his feet for Poch in my opinion, his first touch, dribbling and vision are quite underwhelming, although I still think he'd be good for our squad.

 

[Shadydan]

So Konoplyanka is an unacceptable risk but a guy out for 6 months with a ruptured anterior cruciate ligament isn't?

You say "this is our problem" as if I was advocating we only buy foreign players with no premiership experience. I'm not but I don't think it's as important as many people seem to think it is. I was critical of our buys last season as they just seemed a random collection of players and there didn't seem to be any plan towards balancing our squad and integrating them into the team. The problem isn't a lack of premiership experience but rather a lack of quality or management.

Poch seems to have a plan. I applaud that. I don't however think that raiding players from a manager's old club often works out well, especially when they are overpriced because the club doesn't need to sell.

The "absolute nightmare" of a season you say we had last year still saw us finish 13pts above Southampton in the League (beating them twice by the way) even with Nice But Tim in charge and the demands of playing in the Uefa Cup. But the way Liverpool & now us are raiding their squad you'd think Real Madrid were having a fire sale. Something just doesn't add up. Either the players or the manager aren't as good as everyone seems to think they are. We've got the manager (so i'm hoping it's not him) which only leaves the players. I personally don't think that Schneiderlin and Jay Rod are bad players; just that for the reported £30M we could do better.

Rodriguez is obviously a risk worth taking seeing as Southampton were more than willing to offer him a new contract and Spurs are more looking to purchase him, not to mention Liverpool (yes the team who are stingy on medicals all of a sudden) are also keen. That tells you he is making good progress seeing as he's been evaluated by 3 different medical teams, professionals - I'd rather take their word for it.

I'm willing to back the manager TBH, from what I've seen of him of his time in the Premiership with Southampton the signs are good and what we've seen so far is that he clearly has a plan and a style of play he wants to implement so I'm all for players that will upgrade this team, these two and Ben Davies are most definitely upgrades.

In regards to last season being a nightmare I'm talking about what happened on and off the pitch, even though we finished in 6th place the performances were dire, we had no cohesion or chemistry as a team and there was absolutely no progression, you can dress it up with whatever stat you want but it was an absolutely horrible season and nothing good came out of it.

I'm not putting last season's woes down to the players because it wasn't their fault and they can't be judged on the back of last season but I just feel that we need to get some players who have played in this league alongside the players that we bought.

Apart from the players you've mentioned who aren't realistic who would you have liked to come in for £30m?

 

[Gbspurs]

Yes, Sir.

Jay‏@ryantegan
Jay Rod agreed terms in Toronto and Id guess Morgan Schneiderlin following THFC on twitter coincided with him agreeing. Just waiting on fee

Edit: Jay later dismissed that this was ITK.

Yeah just repeating the press link and guesswork. JJ is quiet. Holiday?

 

[gibbospurs]

The way some of our fans talk about our current players is beyond a joke sometimes.

Players that show no desire whilst wearing our shirt?? Fuck um. Another thread for this tho. Sorry a&c.

 

[idontgetit]

Lukaku isn't good enough with ball at his feet for Poch in my opinion, his first touch, dribbling and vision are quite underwhelming, although I still think he'd be good for our squad.

Sorry yeah I agree more or less with that, was thinking more about making room in our midfield for Schneiderlin. Lukaku offers us something different though

 

[thinktank]

Touche.....

But if Liverpool are in for Rodriguez and Schneiderlin prefers us over Arsenal who as we all know are in the CL and we are not then it shows some level of commitment to the manager that i guess we havn't seen since Harry (pre end of season for explosions of doom)

Pochettinho - the kind of 'disaster' I like.

 

[absolute bobbins]

Where is dovahkiin when you need him?

 

[Mr Pink]

Rodriguez is obviously a risk worth taking seeing as Southampton were more than willing to offer him a new contract and Spurs are more looking to purchase him, not to mention Liverpool (yes the team who are stingy on medicals all of a sudden) are also keen. That tells you he is making good progress seeing as he's been evaluated by 3 different medical teams, professionals - I'd rather take their word for it.

I'm willing to back the manager TBH, from what I've seen of him of his time in the Premiership with Southampton the signs are good and what we've seen so far is that he clearly has a plan and a style of play he wants to implement so I'm all for players that will upgrade this team, these two and Ben Davies are most definitely upgrades.

In regards to last season being a nightmare I'm talking about what happened on and off the pitch, even though we finished in 6th place the performances were dire, we had no cohesion or chemistry as a team and there was absolutely no progression, you can dress it up with whatever stat you want but it was an absolutely horrible season and nothing good came out of it.

I'm not putting last season's woes down to the players because it wasn't their fault and they can't be judged on the back of last season but I just feel that we need to get some players who have played in this league alongside the players that we bought.

Apart from the players you've mentioned who aren't realistic who would you have liked to come in for £30m?

Agree - and last season we churned out a lot of points from some individual brillance, namely Ade, than good team displays.

In fact had it not been for Ade's reintroduction and consequent purple patch, reinvigorated etc, fucks knows where we would of finished. Well below par I bet.

 

[LexingtonSpurs]

I think some people confuse the need to sell, with thinking a player is rubbish. We had too many MFs before bringing on Schneiderlin and Rodriguez - clearly somebody(s) has to go.

in a 4-2-3-1, I could see:

Schneiderlin Capoue


Lamela Eriksen Rodriguez


Where are you going to find playing time to keep Dembele, Paulinho, Sandro, Lennon, Townsend, Chadli, Holtby, Bentaleb happy? And we haven't even discussed bringing in youngsters to play back-up roles. If you assume 1-2 youngsters can step into the 1st team squad - Ceballos and Falque (who is already on the 1st team squad), then at least three of those listed MFs have to be sold.

 

[Greenspur]

Recovery from an ACL injury now isn't what recovery was even 15 yrs ago. It used to be a career threatening injury, now it's just another knee injury. Wouldn't worry about this being something that would hurt his career going forward.

Unless he gets the black spot.

 

[mark87]

Where is dovahkiin when you need him?

Hope the bastard doesn't think he's allowed breaks!!

 

[The Apprentice]

Would be really happy with both players. Think J-Rod could be the goal threat we need from the left.

 

[fatpiranha]

Apart from the players you've mentioned who aren't realistic who would you have liked to come in for £30m?

Off the top of my head i'd have gone for Konoplyanka and Hector Herrera for the same roles but this probably isn't the place to discuss that sort of thing as I have no desire to become intimately acquainted with A&C's porcupine skin dildo .