The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - The 19 edition 26th May 2014

[TottenhamMattSpur]

Surely the question should be, why does the system of governence within the club make it seemingly impossible for any manager to last more than a few seasons?

Eh?
If you want to blame someone for them getting sacked, blame the managers for not doing what is expected of them.

 

[TottenhamMattSpur]

So what, that means he's lying? FFS he's gonna get more grief going so big for a relatively low return than plaudits for taking a big-ass risk, so why would he fib?


let the guy have his day, and hopefully his payout. The 'no being snidey to itk' should extend to fellow SC members too.


(Except @yankspurs - who actually feeds on negative energy; it makes him stronger.)

I know a lot of people who can hardly say 5 words without it ending up as a lie.
It's made me very cynical of the species.

 

[Good Doctor M]

If Spurs had a manager who could deliver good results and progress, and work reliably within the financial parameters that the club have to set, I do not believe there is anything in the structure or the identity of the board that would encourage them to want to change the manager for the sake of it.

That's a decent point, but at what point, how many managers down the line do we stop to ask; Is it really only an issue of manager suitability?

I don't think in general we've given our managers enough time to succeed. A few months of poor results has always seemed enough for the trigger to be pulled.

From the outside looking in there always seems to be some issue with how the managers want to run things and how the club want them to manage within their model. And, as the volume of appointments indicate, this manner of doing things is hardly conjusive to managerial longjevity.

 

[Good Doctor M]

Eh?
If you want to blame someone for them getting sacked, blame the managers for not doing what is expected of them.

Why don't you dumb down your argument some more by writing it in crayon and scanning it into your computer?

 

[Nine while nine]

I know a lot of people who can hardly say 5 words without it ending up as a lie.
It's made me very cynical of the species.

Me too. I know millions.

 

[Sum Monsterism]

what's this about official approach still to be made? SERIOUSLY?!


If we haven't had some kind of nod from So'ton and they decide to play hard-ball we're in for a long bloody delay aren't we?

 

[marvel]

Gards has just said the Goal article about still no official approach is 3 weeks behind

 

[allatsea]

what's this about official approach still to be made? SERIOUSLY?!


If we haven't had some kind of nod from So'ton and they decide to play hard-ball we're in for a long bloody delay aren't we?

No advantage than perhaps a bit more cash in Southampton playing hard-ball. They will want to get their replacement in place just like we want out new manager in place a.s.a.p.

 

[Led's Zeppelin]

That's a decent point, but at what point, how many managers down the line do we stop to ask; Is it really only an issue of manager suitability?

I don't think in general we've given our managers enough time to succeed. A few months of poor results has always seemed enough for the trigger to be pulled.

From the outside looking in there always seems to be some issue with how the managers want to run things and how the club want them to manage within their model. And, as the volume of appointments indicate, this manner of doing things is hardly conjusive to managerial longjevity.

In recent years Spurs have secured a position at the top of the also- rans. Not rich enough to win a regular self-protective top 4 place, but too strong to drift back down to the swampy regions occupied by the amphibians like Newcastle and Villa.

Levy, rightly in my opinion, sees no structural reason why Tottenham should not compete head-on with Arsenal once the stadium has been completed, and the club is pouring huge resources into this. This puts a huge demand on them to ensure the best possible results, not just this season in a Redknapp kind of way, but on a basis that lays a foundation for the future too.

Getting all that right whilst competing with the clubs above us with their vast resources and those below us with similar ambitions to ours is one of the toughest in football probably.

If this sounds like an apology, it possibly is, a little, but I would rather see the club trying everything to get it right than settling for something less on the misguided basis that stability is, in itself, a recipe for success.

 

[Indisguise]

Gards ‏@Gards44 Protected Tweets 4m
For the record, this is the biggest managerial decision of levy, enics reign! Get this wrong and the fans will turn!

I'm afraid, I have to agree with him.

 

[Bendo]

I don't think in general we've given our managers enough time to succeed. A few months of poor results has always seemed enough for the trigger to be pulled.

From the outside looking in there always seems to be some issue with how the managers want to run things and how the club want them to manage within their model. And, as the volume of appointments indicate, this manner of doing things is hardly conjusive to managerial longjevity.

There's nothing wrong with failing as long as you show signs of improving or atleast understanding the problem. The common link between our recent managers has been complete cluelessness when things don't work out.

They've all been decent managers, but lacking that extra bit of smarts and adaptability that's required to compete at the top. Giving them more time wouldn't have solved anything since they clearly were unable to utilize the squad that was given.

 

[Breezer]

I don't think Poch would be showing his kids around the training centre if he wasn't already given the job.

 

[Sum Monsterism]

No advantage than perhaps a bit more cash in Southampton playing hard-ball. They will want to get their replacement in place just like we want out new manager in place a.s.a.p.

I hope you are correct mate

 

[atoubasrightfoot]

Gards ‏@Gards44 Protected Tweets 4m
For the record, this is the biggest managerial decision of levy, enics reign! Get this wrong and the fans will turn!

I'm afraid, I have to agree with him.

Does that mean Gards agrees with Levy's decision (Poch) or that he agrees it's a big decision?

 

[Indisguise]

Does that mean Gards agrees with Levy's decision (Poch) or that he agrees it's a big decision?

I think it means that whoever it is, they need to make the right decision and give the job to the man best suited to the job. If they could give him a bit more time and autonomy than the last few incumbents have had, it would be greatly appreciated.

But it's twatter, who can tell?

 

[Gedson100]

I don't think Poch would be showing his kids around the training centre if he wasn't already given the job.

Sure.

Genuine question, have you (or indeed anyone with knowledge of the training ground) worked out where the picture was taken? ( I know the mods know but they ain't a 'tellin' )

 

[TottenhamMattSpur]

Why don't you dumb down your argument some more by writing it in crayon and scanning it into your computer?

What exactly is dumb about my argument?

Do you have a manager at work?
If the people he was employed to manage were not performing and he failed to replace or inspire them, then questions would be asked about him?

If the prime minister was rapidly leading the country in to the dark ages would there not be a nationwide call for blood? (Let's for one moment ignore the belief that is all politicians do)

 

[Breezer]

Sure.

Genuine question, have you (or indeed anyone with knowledge of the training ground) worked out where the picture was taken? ( I know the mods know but they ain't a 'tellin' )

Yes I wrote in the Poch thread. I said it's the entrance to the first team reception and the man on the left works for Spurs.

Then later someone mentioned his name.

 

[Jazz]

Sure.

Genuine question, have you (or indeed anyone with knowledge of the training ground) worked out where the picture was taken? ( I know the mods know but they ain't a 'tellin' )

First team reception

 

[Drexl]

All the more reason to have given the job to Benitez then, proven in premiership, proven in Europe, lifted silverware not seen it being lifted on tv, he would be by far the least risky appointment, Poch is just a wild goose chase to try find the next Rodgers