The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - THE LAST DAY! 1st September 2014

[iluvsteffenfreund]

Funny window, reminds me a bit of the first window under Arnesen when we signed a plethora of off radar names, that turned out to be the start of the revolution that saw us take a turn for the better that so far, bar a blip or two, we haven't really looked back from.

Most of them were underwhelming names, signed for next to fuck all. Atouba, Naybet, Carrick, Tanio, Pamarot, Edman, Zeigler, Mendes et al.

That team wasn't about stars, it was about the team.

I may be wrong, but I reckon the boy Dier could be a real gem. He's no Ledley King but IMO could be the player everyone pretended Dawson was for way too long. He's got that fire in his belly, that commitment, but he's quicker and technically much better even today at 20. I'd have him in at CB now ahead of Kaboul. He'll make mistakes but he'll also quickly become the leader we need and a perfect partner for a Vertonghen or Chiriches. I read this week that he captained every level of Sporting Lisbon team he played in under the first team. Not bad for an English kid at one of the best academies around.

Schneiderlin is very good at what he does, but I am very, very happy to see Bentaleb given more first team time to progress. He deserves that IMO and I don't think he'd have got the time in the EPL that he needs to be properly tested if MS had arrived. And I said this weeks ago, not just because we haven't signed MS.

Bentaleb was the best midfielder on the pitch for the first 45 minutes Sunday. Not bad for a 19yo.

There's no super duper world class stars in our team, but maybe, just maybe that's a good thing, we might get to build something for a couple of years without one of the big fish coming in and ripping it to shreds.

We've got a brilliant academy that is churning out a higher level of end product than it ever has. Really well schooled footballers. Lets start making some use of that too.

Post is ruined by the bentaleb was the best midfielder on the pitch on Sunday bit !!!? Surely that's a wind up !!!!

 

[gilzeantheking]

There's no super duper world class stars in our team, but maybe, just maybe that's a good thing, we might get to build something for a couple of years without one of the big fish coming in and ripping it to shreds.

Hadn't really thought about this point, but ultimately this could be so important for our long term success.

 

[kanoute16]

No big player losses this window. First one in a while.
Got a Lamela getting better, got quite alot of unused potential from the others we bought last year. Got a young squad. Got a chairman not squandering our money. Got a new manager, that is supposed to improve players.

Never seen som many looking at the glas as half empty in one site before.

Thing is we've read this chapter before do many times it's getting tedious! I want to believe

Must thanks to all the ITKs for their diligence in keeping us up-to-date. A very enjoyable 2 months though a little disappointed today

Anyway Levy is giving Poch a chance to show his mettle in coaching instead of buying success like Shitty and Chelscum who we all despise here. So he's giving us our Tottenham back in that any success Poch achieves will be done through hard work and in an honourable way in the best of the Spurs tradition.

Haha don't be so blinkered! He was class against qpr and shite yesterday, he was fouled a couple of times but more often than not out muscled and out witted. Gerrard nicked it off him numerous times coz he knew which way he was going to go, I too knew which way he was going to go from the Paxton !!!

Lamela thrives in a team that moves off the ball. This is why he looked great against qpr but not so much against the bindippers! No movement in the team yesterday, couldn't match their effort or determination, all except Lamela and adebayor both whom never gave up!

Yes they won the ball off him, they defended in numbers, but when they didn't they cynically fouled him and took their bookings gladly! A little bit of movement would have allowed Lamela to release the ball quickly and move into advanced positions as he used to at Roma.

I know you're hurt and disappointed but there's no need to be an idiot about it all. There are enough people out there gunning for us we don't need our own fans joining in thanks. Accept who and what we are, a great club with a great tradition trying to get on and compete with teams who have bigger stadia, more money, a higher pedigree and a larger revenue. We'll have to settle for top 6 for a few seasons at best. Look at Manu, resorted to the same tactics as Chelsea and City. Throwing money at the problem and paying silly wages. We cannot compete with that and maybe never will!

 

[SpartanSpur]

Hmmm. I don't know if I agree with one particular thing which killed Leeds - I think it was a combination of the overall general lack of financial management. Overpaying for players, overpaying wages, their stadium ownership issues.

It's not really scaremongering - I just think that people have become so detached from the actual values that are being bounded about. One million pounds is a lot of money. 27 of them is quite a bit more!

I get where you are coming from stoof, but that is also why we could well have paid £5m or so more for Schneiderlin for example if we needed too (and Poch clearly wanted him). By all accounts his wages were low so that would reduce the overall amount of the deal somewhat. After today's outgoings we already have £11m or so credit and must be saving wages after these outgoings and modest incomings.

Also, were Musacchio and Schneiderlin smokescreens earlier in the summer? Because if they were more straight forward that would have been at least a £30m outlay we were willing to make and felt we could afford.

Levy's scrupulous nature is a great asset in many ways, but can also be a hindrance in certain situations. No one was asking levy to do a bonkers deal like this ridiculous Falcao loan!

The next set of financials with the full tv income will be very interesting, it's like it never applied to us as I doubt our wages have even jumped massively.

Maybe they were all just too difficult deals to do, but we hear this stuff way too often now for it not to be suspicious.

One upside is with a smaller squad hopefully we can be more proactive in upcoming windows and get business done before future deadline days.

 

[Lilbaz]

So you can see Levy borrowing against future season ticket sales? That in a nutshell is what killed Leeds.

Speculating to accumalte is what all good businesses do at some point. To dismiss this by simple scaremongering is simply misunderstanding risk and how a business can grow.

Speculating to accumulate? How about £450m of speculation, is that enough for you?

 

[JamieSpursCommunityUser]

I was kind of with your little rant until this little gem. What exactly are you arguing here? That actually spending money works?

Because if I was saying that I probably wouldn't use West Ham as an example of how to spend money. Because that would be stupid.

DL stated 5 years ago the transfer market was not just about finance, but about skill

(AT 5 mins in.)



He's partly correct in that, but since then we've taken that too far.

What if applied Skill AND Invested?

I'm not talking about doing a Chelsea or City, but as @DaSpurs stated, even if we just did a Hull or Stoke.

Invested a little again, and with our pull, judgement, and network - we might actually get somewhere.

 

[jezz]

Fire away... We were unlucky yesterday coz we kept getting fouled especially lamela? Your off your head ! He was poor and predictable yesterday and against qpr he was class. They are all the stats you will need mate

Thanks, I will read your analysis of our games and base my judgement on your in depth view.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Post is ruined by the bentaleb was the best midfielder on the pitch on Sunday bit !!!? Surely that's a wind up !!!!

In the first half he was. Go watch the game again and tell me which midfielder was more involved. He also played the best pass of that half, the defence splitting one that put Adebayor clean through.

I know its not fashionable, he's a kid who we didn't sign from Real Madrid or Barca, and even worse he's the bastard offspring of Sherwood. But the boy gets about the game, shows up and passes the ball. That is what I call the spurs way. Not the other bullshit spurs way that no-one has ever really seen, except SS57.

 

[m*****73]

But that was you point? You wanted us to be like West Ham, Hull and Stoke?

I'd try and make a proper point if you want to have a sensible discussion.

WTF?!?!?

Talk about twisting things around. You're the one that's trying to justify Levy's decision to purchase exactly the type of player that West Ham, Stoke and Hull sign.

The big clubs (you know, those that roll into WHL and beat us by 3 or 4 goals) spend money on the players that they need. We, on the other hand, purchase the type of player that otherwise ends up in Newcastle, Sunderland, West Ham and the like. Unless, of course, we just blow £90m from the sale of a once-in-a-generation talent on a bunch of players who aren't fit to lace Bale's boots.

Your posts clearly support the club's current transfer strategy. How's that working out for us?

 

[SpartanSpur]

Two good things that should come from this mess.

The myth of 'Levytime' must well and truly be dead now. Was the exception rather than the rule.

Poch almost certainly has to be here next season, barring complete catastrophe. Levy has no right to bin him for finishing 6-7th.

 

[iluvsteffenfreund]

In the first half he was. Go watch the game again and tell me which midfielder was more involved. He also played the best pass of that half, the defence splitting one that put Adebayor clean through.

I know its not fashionable, he's a kid who we didn't sign from Real Madrid or Barca, and even worse he's the bastard offspring of Sherwood. But the boy gets about the game, shows up and passes the ball. That is what all call the spurs way. Not the other bullshit spurs way that no-one has ever really seen, except SS57.

So he tracked Henderson( who ran off him several times btw ) for the goal? Coz I thought the best pass off the game was Hendersons to sterling to make it 1 nil ? Nabil showed up and gave lots of sideways and backwards passes yesterday all he did of any note was the pass to adebayor which was a great knock. He pulled out of header, shanked a clearance that put us one on one against sterling and never made a tackle. Henderson was by far the better midfielder and gerrard broke up numerous attacks yesterday, nabil didn't break up one. Sorry cannot accept that mate.

 

[chinaman]

Post is ruined by the bentaleb was the best midfielder on the pitch on Sunday bit !!!? Surely that's a wind up !!!!

Two of the best through balls were played by him. One to Chadli who missed it by half a foot and one over 40 yards for Ade to fluff a one on one. Who else created a scoring chance? Not Lamela and the less said about Eriksen, the better.

 

[St José Dominguez]

We didn't sell a first teamer and bought 3 first teamers. We got 69pts last season in a shambles of season with two managers who had major flaws. Just thought I'd add this in middle of negativity.

 

[SandroClegane]

DL stated 5 years ago the transfer market was not just about finance, but about skill

(AT 5 mins in.)



He's partly correct in that, but since then we've taken that too far.

What if applied Skill AND Invested?

I'm not talking about doing a Chelsea or City, but as @DaSpurs stated, even if we just did a Hull or Stoke.

Invested a little again, and with our pull, judgement, and network - we might actually get somewhere.

Stoke has been one of the worst in the league at their signings over the last 5 years or so, I'd rather do what we did this window than do a Stoke or even a Hull

 

[iluvsteffenfreund]

Two of the best through balls were played by him. One to Chadli who missed it by half a foot and one over 40 yards for Ade to fluff a one on one. Who else created a scoring chance? Not Lamela and the less said about Eriksen, the better.

The chadli one !!!? Are you joking ? That was a lump up to adebayor that both he and the centre halfs missed !!! Chadli did well to anticipate... Or have I completely missed this from where I was sat !??

 

[oxfordyidd]

to all the moaners on here you should be used to being disappointed cus that what spurs do , but for once I am not worried , the players signed already look to be what we need and give us a more balanced look and hopefully poch will have got them playing the way he wants within the next few months , last season we spent loads and didn't get value for money only ericsson has stood out , lamella is starting to look good , chadli has the talent but not the work rate , paulinho flatters to deceive and soldado well his hair looks good ... almost 100m and not too much to shout about so no surprise levy is reluctant to spend unless its really needed , oh and on stambouli the guy will be a good player for spurs loves a tackle and is a good passer of the ball and a lot quicker than capoue and when up tp speed with the premier league will be a leader in the team . come January poch will be back in for the c back [ Moreno I believe ] who broke his leg also I suspect j rod aswell . in the meantime it will be interesting to see if he can get the rest of the squad playing the way he wants and if not they will be gone aswell .

 

[Bus-Conductor]

So he tracked Henderson( who ran off him several times btw ) for the goal? Coz I thought the best pass off the game was Hendersons to sterling to make it 1 nil ? Nabil showed up and gave lots of sideways and backwards passes yesterday all he did of any note was the pass to adebayor which was a great knock. He pulled out of header, shanked a clearance that put us one on one against sterling and never made a tackle. Henderson was by far the better midfielder and gerrard broke up numerous attacks yesterday, nabil didn't break up one. Sorry cannot accept that mate.

Bentaleb made 2 successful tackles, Gerrard made three. But then Gerrad was on the pitch about 25 minutes longer. Bentaleb also passed the ball more than those two, and Allen in the first half. And all of those are much older and more experienced than him.

It feels to me like you are going out of your way to see the negatives in Bentaleb and positives in Henderson and Gerrard. Liverpool are slicker and better organised and are in their third season under a good coach for footballers, if Bentaleb is already competing favourable with those guys now, how about we imagine how decent he might be when he's had the experience they have ?

 

[jondre91]

Some of those who are stating that Poch will be absolutely furious need to go and read about the constraints he was under at Espanyol and then think again... Working for us and only getting 5 new signings at £25m must in comparison seem unbearable.

he wasn't expected to get CL wight hem ether so can't compare that at all

 

[jondre91]

to all the moaners on here you should be used to being disappointed cus that what spurs do , but for once I am not worried , the players signed already look to be what we need and give us a more balanced look and hopefully poch will have got them playing the way he wants within the next few months , last season we spent loads and didn't get value for money only ericsson has stood out , lamella is starting to look good , chadli has the talent but not the work rate , paulinho flatters to deceive and soldado well his hair looks good ... almost 100m and not too much to shout about so no surprise levy is reluctant to spend unless its really needed , oh and on stambouli the guy will be a good player for spurs loves a tackle and is a good passer of the ball and a lot quicker than capoue and when up tp speed with the premier league will be a leader in the team . come January poch will be back in for the c back [ Moreno I believe ] who broke his leg also I suspect j rod aswell . in the meantime it will be interesting to see if he can get the rest of the squad playing the way he wants and if not they will be gone aswell .

we won't get top for with this squad AvB could;t do it tim couldn't do it poch won't be able to do it the only upgrade from last it fazio

 

[iluvsteffenfreund]

Bentaleb made 2 successful tackles, Gerrard made three. But then Gerrad was on the pitch about 25 minutes longer. Bentaleb also passed the ball more than those two, and Allen in the first half. And all of those are much older and more experienced than him.

It feels to me like you are going out of your way to see the negatives in Bentaleb and positives in Henderson and Gerrard. Liverpool are slicker and better organised and are in their third season under a good coach for footballers, if Bentaleb is already competing favourable with those guys now, how about we imagine how decent he might be when he's had the experience they have ?

Why was he dragged then ? And why have we signed another DM and doing all we could to bring in MS, he's 19 and nowhere near ready. A loan would of been ideal but he is not going to improve us one bit at this stage