The England Thread

[dontcallme]

He was shit as well.. Every time a defender had the ball, he was hiding behind a player to try and receive the ball..

I didn’t bother watching the match. Was there anything to suggest the reason for the booing?

 

[Croftwoodspurs]

I didn’t bother watching the match. Was there anything to suggest the reason for the booing?

It was due to him selling his soul for money.

 

[Thenewcat]

There are other ways to show that though. Booing one of your own players doesn't do anything to that state.

1). What ‘other ways’ do you suggest?
2). The aim isn’t to to do anything to that state. The aim is to show disapproval for an English player choosing to align himself with that state for greed

 

[thelak]

I didn’t bother watching the match. Was there anything to suggest the reason for the booing?

Booed for being a virtue signalling hypocrite I believe

 

[Tucker]

These quotes are reprehensible. He thinks people are idiots. He completely understands why people booed Henderson.

Honestly the fact he’s still selecting the likes of Henderson shows why he isn’t fit for the job. He’s always had his favourites and now it’s blatant to see.

He’s built his “legacy” on incredibly favourable World Cup/euros runs which I honestly think would’ve been bettered by an even half decent coach. He’s going to ruin the best pool of English players we’ve had in decades.

His comments on Henderson are a staggering display of ignorance. “Defies logic” my arse. Henderson has been shown up as a money grabbing hypocrite happy to sell his soul to a blood thirsty absolute monarchy. He’s betrayed a section of society that’s he’s previously been an ally of, rightly calling into question the sincerity of his previous support.

He’s unpopular for a very very good reason, he knows it, Southgate knows it. They don’t like it because the truth fucking hurts. Cretins.

 

[spursfan77]

Booed for being a virtue signalling hypocrite I believe

Im surprised his every touch wasn’t booed. I’m sure he’ll survive.

 

[beats1]

I think Southgate gets the next tournament but after that his time is surely done.

I actually think his pragmatic approach was right in the early days. We had a young squad and few top players in their prime.

But we now have the likes of Bellingham, Foden, Maddison and Kane. We need a manager who can get the best out of them and give them the freedom to play.

I still can't believe we played in a World Cup semi final a CM 3 of

Henderson, Lingaard and Dele(who btw never was a CM for us, it feels like I need to remind people of this)

Against Brozovic, Modric and Rakitic

With Ashley Young at LWB instead of Rose(who was part of a great defence)

Also btw, Ange's system is perfect for our midfield imo

Kane
Foden -------------------- Saka
Maddison ---- Bellingham
Rice
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Imo when Foden is the weak link in that system, you're fucking on to something

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[neilp]

His comments on Henderson are a staggering display of ignorance. “Defies logic” my arse. Henderson has been shown up as a money grabbing hypocrite happy to sell his soul to a blood thirsty absolute monarchy. He’s betrayed a section of society that’s he’s previously been an ally of, rightly calling into question the sincerity of his previous support.

He’s unpopular for a very very good reason, he knows it, Southgate knows it. They don’t like it because the truth fucking hurts. Cretins.

£700,000 per week, to play in front of only 5000 - 10000 fans, I wonder if he still thinks it’s worth it

 

[Tucker]

£700,000 per week, to play in front of only 5000 - 10000 fans, I wonder if he still thinks it’s worth it

He probably sleeps on a big pile of money. He said recently that the criticism hurt him, but I’m sure the money helps with that.

 

[Thenewcat]

He probably sleeps on a big pile of money. He said recently that the criticism hurt him, but I’m sure the money helps with that.

To be fair to Jordan Henderson he has always wanted to make it clear he is an ally. Ok he’s an ally of a state that murders it’s own citizens, criminalises homosexuality and treats women as second class beings, but an ally nonetheless

 

[nailsy]

1). What ‘other ways’ do you suggest?
2). The aim isn’t to to do anything to that state. The aim is to show disapproval for an English player choosing to align himself with that state for greed

1 - off the top of my head organise a protest outside Wembley before the game starts. That would take some effort though.
2 - He's already aware that people disapprove of him going there. Fans and journalists have made him very aware of that. Maybe booing him reinforces that, but I don't think he will have any effect.

I understand how the fans booing him feel. He's an absolute hypocrite going over there after all the things he's said in the past and he shouldn't be in the squad, but I think the only thing booing your own players achieves is to create divide between the fans and the team and I wouldn't want one players greed to ruin years of work building a good team spirit.

 

[Tucker]

I think the only thing booing your own players achieves is to create divide between the fans and the team and I wouldn't want one players greed to ruin years of work building a good team spirit.

Maybe Southgate should consider this before picking him. Henderson is a player on the decline, playing in a substandard league. He shouldn’t be anywhere near the squad on merit alone.

Southgate would argue that he’s experienced, someone with a more progressive mindset would likely argue that he’s blocking the pathway for younger players to gain the experience they need. He’s yesterdays man, and he shouldn’t be anywhere near the team.

 

[talkshowhost86]

Southgate has been an absolute revelation for England. He's genuinely changed the entire approach to international football both in terms of the players and the fans.

But with the continuing use of the likes of Henderson and Maguire it feels like he's digging his heels in for the sake of it Conte-style.

Needs to get away from having his favourites, otherwise he isn't long for the England-job IMO.

 

[Tucker]

Also a cynic might wonder if the reason he’s sticking up for Henderson so vehemently is that he fancies taking some Saudi blood money himself when his time with England reaches its inevitable conclusion. Let’s face it, he’s not going to get offers from any big clubs in Europe.

 

[SpringHeeledJim]

Southgate chooses to die on Henderson hill with pathetic, 'logic-defying' response to England boos

Gareth Southgate pretended not to "understand" why some England fans might have booed Jordan Henderson at Wembley. What a pathetic, disappointing response.

www.football365.com

 

[SpringHeeledJim]

Also a cynic might wonder if the reason he’s sticking up for Henderson so vehemently is that he fancies taking some Saudi blood money himself when his time with England reaches its inevitable conclusion. Let’s face it, he’s not going to get offers from any big clubs in Europe.

I said the same thing on here a few weeks back. He's nailed on for a Saudi deal imo

 

[talkshowhost86]

Southgate chooses to die on Henderson hill with pathetic, 'logic-defying' response to England boos

Gareth Southgate pretended not to "understand" why some England fans might have booed Jordan Henderson at Wembley. What a pathetic, disappointing response.

www.football365.com

Good article this

Southgate is undoing a lot of his credit with his approach on Henderson

 

[nailsy]

Maybe Southgate should consider this before picking him. Henderson is a player on the decline, playing in a substandard league. He shouldn’t be anywhere near the squad on merit alone.

Southgate would argue that he’s experienced, someone with a more progressive mindset would likely argue that he’s blocking the pathway for younger players to gain the experience they need. He’s yesterdays man, and he shouldn’t be anywhere near the team.

Totally agree. He seems to be justifying picking him by suggesting that he's a leader in the dressing room or something. Surely there must be ex pros/coaches who could fill that role? Or maybe the actual captain?

 

[rossdapep]

Maybe Southgate should consider this before picking him. Henderson is a player on the decline, playing in a substandard league. He shouldn’t be anywhere near the squad on merit alone.

Southgate would argue that he’s experienced, someone with a more progressive mindset would likely argue that he’s blocking the pathway for younger players to gain the experience they need. He’s yesterdays man, and he shouldn’t be anywhere near the team.

The second point every time.

Southgate will continue to hide behind that 'experience' tag but Ange showed him on that by Kane leaving and others coming to the fore.

Besides, Bellingham has a monstrous mentality that would inspire other young players and Rice is very vocal on the field too.

So, sorry Southgate, but that viewpoint is dated and it is going to cost this generation.

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

Southgate is undoing a lot of his credit

Not sure I follow.

What "credit" does Southgate actually have? And, he has been picking personal favorites for a while now - without regard to actual club form.