The Mauricio Pochettino thread

[BringBack_leGin]

I’m so sad

 

[spurs mental]

I’m so sad

I'm so angry.

 

[spursfan77]

He's come out on record saying he wants to stay so doubt it.

That was a month or so before the season started though I think. Could be wrong.

 

[Deleted member 22380]

Can't see Levy sacking Poch and being forced to payout his contract.

I think the only way Poch leaves is that we receive an approach from another club (eg Real Madrid, Man United) and Levy encourages Poch to take that offer as a mutual benefit for both parties.

 

[Mr Pink]

I think if we lose to Everton and fail to beat SU Levy will finally pull the trigger.

And it's the International break.

 

[Essex Spur]

I really did hope red star was the turning point

Well I was being daft, but no matter how bad things are, I can never understand actually wanting your team to lose.

other than when UTD had to win against us on the last game of the season to stand any chance of stopping Arsenal and the whole away end was silent when Ferdinand opened the scoring for us

 

[Gassin's finest]

I really did hope red star was the turning point

other than when UTD had to win against us on the last game of the season to stand any chance of stopping Arsenal and the whole away end was silent when Ferdinand opened the scoring for us

Ha, I remember Dozzell doing that against Newcastle in 95, to prevent them a chance of winning the leage.

 

[Shadydan]

That was a month or so before the season started though I think. Could be wrong.

Was last month

‘Ambitious’ Jan Vertonghen wants to extend his time at Tottenham

Jan Vertonghen, at Spurs since 2012, has been in talks with the club over a new deal and has admitted his contribution has been mixed so far this season

www.theguardian.com

 

[stonebrow]

I think if we lose to Everton and fail to beat SU Levy will finally pull the trigger.

And it's the International break.

It’s looking like he’ll be given more games but I’m sure you’ll agree that he’s been given long enough now. Getting anything out of those games simply prolongs the inevitable.

 

[Seafordian Spurs]

How comes we are where we are when we have so many good players... Its a rhetorical question hense lack of question mark.

 

[carpediem991]

Can't see Levy sacking Poch and being forced to payout his contract.

I think the only way Poch leaves is that we receive an approach from another club (eg Real Madrid, Man United) and Levy encourages Poch to take that offer as a mutual benefit for both parties.

Why do we need to payout his contract? Just keep him on the payroll. He won't sit there four years doing nothing and will go by himself.
It can't be a excuse to not make a change.

 

[Japhet]

I've cut Poch as much slack as I can now. I said ages ago that I didn't want him to go - I wanted him to change. The team selection for Liverpool was a hammer blow to that agenda. After watching a hungry team destroy Red Star, he reverted immediately to the usual suspects, and Eriksen in particular was atrocious. I didn't actually think Aurier was too bad but got played by Mane, but the result had a certain inevitability to it anyway. What really boiled my piss was not changing stuff up when we were obviously in trouble, but waiting til we went behind after being battered relentlessly. Ndombele comes on and we start to get a foot hold back but then he waits til minute 87 to fuck Eriksen off. LoCelso then does more in 3+ minutes than CE did all game.

As far as I'm concerned we're in the last chance saloon now. Another outing for Eriksen and I'm chucking the towel in. Can't defend it any more.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

Can't see Levy sacking Poch and being forced to payout his contract.

I think the only way Poch leaves is that we receive an approach from another club (eg Real Madrid, Man United) and Levy encourages Poch to take that offer as a mutual benefit for both parties.

Need to consider that worst comes to worst, the financial cost to the club of results that go below a certain threshold is far worse than paying a past coach his monthly salary for a few years. Not to mention the issue of keeping and motivating vs. potential losing Harry Kane.

 

[LDNYid]

I've cut Poch as much slack as I can now. I said ages ago that I didn't want him to go - I wanted him to change. The team selection for Liverpool was a hammer blow to that agenda. After watching a hungry team destroy Red Star, he reverted immediately to the usual suspects, and Eriksen in particular was atrocious. I didn't actually think Aurier was too bad but got played by Mane, but the result had a certain inevitability to it anyway. What really boiled my piss was not changing stuff up when we were obviously in trouble, but waiting til we went behind after being battered relentlessly. Ndombele comes on and we start to get a foot hold back but then he waits til minute 87 to fuck Eriksen off. LoCelso then does more in 3+ minutes than CE did all game.

As far as I'm concerned we're in the last chance saloon now. Another outing for Eriksen and I'm chucking the towel in. Can't defend it any more.

I agree wholeheartedly; I really wanted it to work for Poch - he has been fantastic for the club. However, I can’t support the team selection on the weekend; it seems to me that a manager who understood the gravity of the situation and desired to keep his job, would have selected near enough the same team that beat red star - rewarding those who deserved it and trying frantically to build some semblance of momentum.

My frustration for a long time was in support of Poch and aimed solely at the board, however, I am now beginning to feel that a change of manager may be the only way to salvage this season and potentially persuade Kane and Son to stay.

 

[M.I.B.]

I've cut Poch as much slack as I can now. I said ages ago that I didn't want him to go - I wanted him to change. The team selection for Liverpool was a hammer blow to that agenda. After watching a hungry team destroy Red Star, he reverted immediately to the usual suspects, and Eriksen in particular was atrocious. I didn't actually think Aurier was too bad but got played by Mane, but the result had a certain inevitability to it anyway. What really boiled my piss was not changing stuff up when we were obviously in trouble, but waiting til we went behind after being battered relentlessly. Ndombele comes on and we start to get a foot hold back but then he waits til minute 87 to fuck Eriksen off. LoCelso then does more in 3+ minutes than CE did all game.

As far as I'm concerned we're in the last chance saloon now. Another outing for Eriksen and I'm chucking the towel in. Can't defend it any more.

I think the game that proved to me he has no plan B was the CL against Juve at Wembley 2 seasons back. We were winning, and comfortable for a long time, then mid second half you could visibly see us tire, and Juve took advantage. Clinically.

But still Poch wouldn't/couldn't see what we could, and still refused to make a change. All around us were yelling for him to make a sub, just to freshen it up, but nothing, until too late.

And this has been the pattern throughout. A reluctance/stubborness to do it HIS way and not admit he was wrong.

Saints fans allegedly said when we got him, "no plan B". And so it proves

 

[Japhet]

Why do we need to payout his contract? Just keep him on the payroll. He won't sit there four years doing nothing and will go by himself.
It can't be a excuse to not make a change.

It wouldn't be a full payout. It would probably be on a sliding scale until he picks up another job. I personally think Levy should relinquish some of Poch's control and maybe give Pleaty (?) a temporary role to try to steady the ship. If Poch doesn't like it he can resign. It may be a way to either turn things around or force the issue.

 

[RichieS]

He’s fucked himself really, if he played Davies then he would of been targeted for his lack of pace. Foyth on the right would also of got done physically and mobility wise. It’s all down to not replacing walker 2 years ago or Tripps when he left. Rose issue is a bit different, he looked ok the back end of last season I thought. So to expect the decline he has had can’t really be put on Poch.

Good full-backs make up for lack of pace with defensive nous, which Davies has. Also see Corluka vs. Aston Villa years ago when Jol had intially gone with Zokora at right-back to deal with the pace of Young and/or Agbonlahor.
We did replace Walker but the replacement(s) was/were a downgrade (which was the only possibility since Walker is the best RB in the country).
I agree on Rose and I think his decline mght be due to the fact that we tried to sell him to fucking Watford in the summer.

He's come out on record saying he wants to stay so doubt it.

I reckon Jan would stay here for the rest of his career if given the opportunity. I've no idea why Poche decided to pick a fight with him at the start of the season.

 

[coys200]

If this form was from the start of a season 23 pts from 22 games would probably have us 15/16 th at end of January. I just can’t see how he’d survive that. He’s very fortunate to this point it’s split over 2 seasons.

 

[Gassin's finest]

Good full-backs make up for lack of pace with defensive nous, which Davies has. Also see Corluka vs. Aston Villa years ago when Jol had intially gone with Zokora at right-back to deal with the pace of Young and/or Agbonlahor.
We did replace Walker but the replacement(s) was/were a downgrade (which was the only possibility since Walker is the best RB in the country).
I agree on Rose and I think his decline mght be due to the fact that we tried to sell him to fucking Watford in the summer.


I reckon Jan would stay here for the rest of his career if given the opportunity. I've no idea why Poche decided to pick a fight with him at the start of the season.

Charlie was exactly the sort of full back that I like. Such a composed and intelligent footballer.

 

[dimiSpur]

Goals change games. Or the lack of them. If we had equalised in that last 10-15 minute push, most people would be talking about our character in coming back after going 2-1 down. Rose decided to pick out a mate in the crowd, Toby headed the ball straight at Allison and Son's shot was weak and hence, instead, most are berating a defensive performance born out of necessity really.

Did you lot really think we'd go to Anfield and attempt to play them off the park? Especially after an early goal? I'm not saying the performance was good, I'm saying it wasn't the shit-show you're all making it out to be. We suffered an expected onslaught against arguably the best team in Europe right now. I don't know what people thought was going to happen at 1-0.

And I don't know what people expect from Poch with Aurier and Rose at full back. They are terrible. How we ended up with those 2 is where the inquiry ought to be held. If that's Poch's fault, then berate him all you want, I'm with you. But I suspect he's not to blame for that, hence his anger at the start of the season. If Liverpool had Aurier & Rose at full back I bet you they'd be nowhere near 28 points so far.