The Mauricio Pochettino thread

[Lighty64]

I said on another spurs forum two or three season ago that I had a feeling this team would win nothing..(think it was when we lost to Chelsea in the FA Cup semi)..and the cycle will come to an end without ever doing so. I was shouted down, but unfortunately it’s come to reality.

Clubs don’t continually get more chances to win things with a certain group of players. We wasted too many chances under Poch over the last five years, we simply had to win something and we constantly blew it, and this team is clearly on the decline now.

It’s not all doom and gloom but i don’t see this team as one with the ability to win any major trophies this season. Our defence is all over the shop. We have a squad of very talented players but Poch isn’t getting a tune out of them and hasn’t for a while.

I don’t see how we will suddenly turn it around and have a watertight defence this season, it doesn’t just switch on overnight. We’ve been leaky for a long while.

I am worried for Poch’s future. A defeat on Saturday will be a disaster and increase the pressure further. Let’s hope we get a performance and three points.

I’ve lost a lot of enthusiasm for Spurs this season.
I don’t know if it’s a hangover from the CL final, perhaps, but I just think it’s more the way we’ve been playing for a year now. We just look like a team going through the motions and it’s a million miles away from the feeling we had three seasons ago when it felt we were on the verge of something special.

It does look like the squad have tired of Pochs voice.

I don’t know if I am alone about this feeling of less enthusiasm with Spurs than I’ve had since Poch took over? New stadium offered a lot of excitement but that’s worn off now, we’re finally in the stadium yet now it feels like an anticlimax based on the way the team is playing.

so where was your post after the Palace result? yet a bad result and from what I could see of the match was we took a 2 goal lead which we didn't deserve and blew it.

 

[Phomesy]

I really feel like a lot of this is being blown out of proportion, I think honestly a lot of the reason for the overreaction is the anxiety caused by a few leaks of information in that beginning of the end thread which were pretty much blown out the water by the club and Poch. Without those posts I don't think people would be jumping to such conclusions I think they've exacerbated the worry on this forum.

Yeah thinks aren't perfect but it's so out of proportion with yesterdays game. I'm not sure what some of you were expecting, the draw looked nailed on for me before the travelling squad was even announced, it's a hostile away game vs a fairly decent team in europe, most english teams struggle in these situations. Could we have done better not to blow a 2-0 lead, absolutely, does the blame lay with Poch because of his choice of fullbacks and also his failing to sub players off having a terrible game, absolutely but that doesn't justify the sheer panic in this forum after that result, the reaction isn't equal to the result.

There's an element within the club using their proxies in the forums to whip up a destabilising campaign against Poch. We've seen this from ValenciaYid's ITK and it's become very evident on here with suddenly loads of posters who have been members for over 10 years but have less than 100 posts to their name suddenly popping up in every second thread questioning Poch and the club's direction etc etc...

This is nothing new. Happens all the time in every club. And who's to say they are wrong? Maybe they're right? Our form in the league since last January merits questioning.

But it never ends well. Last time we ended up with Sherwood.

I'd prefer we all just got behind Poch and the team but I don't think that's the way the wind is blowing.

 

[double0]

Pochettinho is an honourable man I really don't see him leaving within contact. The only way is if Levy decided. I'm not worried at all about Pochettinho he loves the club. The biggest problem he has is the regeneration of players. Levy failed him being totally honest with the squad. Looking at it, we bought players late and not fully fit also we did not move on certain players.

 

[Johnny J]

so where was your post after the Palace result? yet a bad result and from what I could see of the match was we took a 2 goal lead which we didn't deserve and blew it.

Our general play has been dire since at least last Christmas. We've slowly regressed over the last two years. The lucky CL run papered over some cracks. But our style is so laborious and static. Our players look like they don't know what the plan is. It's awful and turgid.

Palace was an outlier.

Combine that with bizarre decisions like playing Sanchez at RB.

 

[shelfboy68]

A very tough and inconsistent season is ahead of us I'm not expecting top four or any silverware even top six might be a struggle, the defence is poor nobody screens in front of it I really can't see what poch is trying to achieve worryingly nor can he

 

[mattyspurs]

A very tough and inconsistent season is ahead of us I'm not expecting top four or any silverware even top six might be a struggle, the defence is poor nobody screens in front of it I really can't see what poch is trying to achieve worryingly nor can he

Many said that last season after buying no one.

We came 4th with a CL final ??

 

[shelfboy68]

Many said that last season after buying no one.

We came 4th with a CL final ??

That is true but we did get lucky with the CL final but sadly never showed for it and we did our best to try and lose out on top four with form in the last three months shocking.
Surely most of us are not expecting too much when you look at the state of the team, the work ethic and spirit that was the backbone of everything which poch fostered has long gone and the players don't look like they know their arses from their elbows.

 

[HW61]

I really feel like a lot of this is being blown out of proportion, I think honestly a lot of the reason for the overreaction is the anxiety caused by a few leaks of information in that beginning of the end thread which were pretty much blown out the water by the club and Poch. Without those posts I don't think people would be jumping to such conclusions I think they've exacerbated the worry on this forum.

Yeah thinks aren't perfect but it's so out of proportion with yesterdays game. I'm not sure what some of you were expecting, the draw looked nailed on for me before the travelling squad was even announced, it's a hostile away game vs a fairly decent team in europe, most english teams struggle in these situations. Could we have done better not to blow a 2-0 lead, absolutely, does the blame lay with Poch because of his choice of fullbacks and also his failing to sub players off having a terrible game, absolutely but that doesn't justify the sheer panic in this forum after that result, the reaction isn't equal to the result.

Hope you’re right. I’m one of Poch’s biggest fans. He’s almost single handedly brought respect and gravitas back to our great club. He’s done it on a comparative shoestring.

Since the summer of last year he hasn’t exactly been holding back with his frustration with the owners. He’s been transparent. Whatever may be the real reason, he was seriously pissed off over this summer too. I suspect we are experiencing a major hangover from the complete absence of any investment in the first team squad over 2 windows. Just because we’ve invested a bit this summer, it dragged right to deadline .... again! Poch can’t flick a switch. Yes he can make odd decisions. I can’t recall a manager who hasn’t. Even Pep got slammed in the Champions League home leg against us for not playing certain players.

Any alternative manager option will come up against the same restrictions with Levy. That guy’s style will never change. I simply don’t want to go back to the utter garbage of the pre-Poch day’s.

So I 100% back him. If any player shows the slightest resistance to what Poch wants to do they can bugger off.

 

[Spurs 1961]

Saturday against Palace was a start and I expect us to continue this level when we play at Leicester. What happened on Tuesday looked poor but then the team we put out was so different. With players who need minutes on the pitch to get match sharpness getting a game.

What I do think is strange is that Dier has been on the bench every game but is never used as a sub yet he has the ability to step into a number if different roles.

There is one constant factor though which is that every season Poch has experimented with selections and formations for the first two months before settling on a core team. Let’s see what happens this Saturday

 

[FibreOpticJesus]

Well, last year we obviously were not.

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Statistics and damn lies... You cannot make these comparisons as the same teams are not playing each other with exactly the same 11’s etc etc. A totally meaningless comparison ?

 

[Bulletspur]

Poch is incredibly unlucky that he hasn’t had Lo Celso available yet as reckon he’ll make a massive difference when available.

Would like to think Sessegnon will offer something different too.

But he really doesn’t help himself making some stupid decisions - why leave Aurier behind after he had a good game against palace?

Why play Sanchez at right back again when he was awful there against arsenal?

Toby can play right back and we had KWP on bench, what kind of message is it to KWP that a centre back is being played out of position over him?

Why wasn’t Eriksen hauled off early second half and why does Poch continue to be so darn divery with substituting?

Poch has a real stubbornness to him and it’s not a good quality in this case.

In my opinion Poch is good Manager and Coach, but there is that integral ingredient that would make him one of greats that is missing, and that is his game management with regards the use of players and tactics. He falls down here big time, but unfortunately most wont see it. He has to shoulder some of the blame for our poor performances, its not all on the players

 

[Gassin's finest]

People complaining about Poche being stubborn.

Good.

Fergie was a right stubborn and truculant bastard. There's a romantiscm over him these days but he was a massive ****, and it made his teams successful.

 

[wrd]

Hope you’re right. I’m one of Poch’s biggest fans. He’s almost single handedly brought respect and gravitas back to our great club. He’s done it on a comparative shoestring.

Since the summer of last year he hasn’t exactly been holding back with his frustration with the owners. He’s been transparent. Whatever may be the real reason, he was seriously pissed off over this summer too. I suspect we are experiencing a major hangover from the complete absence of any investment in the first team squad over 2 windows. Just because we’ve invested a bit this summer, it dragged right to deadline .... again! Poch can’t flick a switch. Yes he can make odd decisions. I can’t recall a manager who hasn’t. Even Pep got slammed in the Champions League home leg against us for not playing certain players.

Any alternative manager option will come up against the same restrictions with Levy. That guy’s style will never change. I simply don’t want to go back to the utter garbage of the pre-Poch day’s.

So I 100% back him. If any player shows the slightest resistance to what Poch wants to do they can bugger off.

Yeah we have short term memories on this forum, half of us were saying that we would feel the ramifications of that poor summer window down the line leaving too much work to do for the summer after and we've seemingly all forgotten that and can't put our finger on what the problem is. It's going to take either doing a lot of business in a winter window or a huge overhaul in the summer one to put it right.

I agree with you also, people are talking about being sick of a transition but the alternative is a transition with a lesser manager.

 

[cliff jones]

of course Levy hasn't done enough to set Poch to ride through the squad refresh, which sees half our first XI depart by next August

We needed Fernandes/ one other playmaker in during the summer to be able to manage Eriksen's inevitable tailing off (not just an unfit GLC) which I agree we've been seeing the early stages of since the beginning of the calendar year

Therefore, I won't blame Poch for trying to still get a tune out of Eriksen and he did well when he came on v Villa and for an hour at the scum, but for me he doesn't look fit or bothered enough to run his engine full throttle three times a week so he needs to come up with a good plan B

I'd play NDombele in the role and back fill with Dier

 

[wirE]

There a two coaches I'd like to see replace Poch. Simeone - Best defensively coach out there and Thomas Tuschel.

 

[Ghost Hardware]

There a two coaches I'd like to see replace Poch. Simeone - Best defensively coach out there and Thomas Tuschel.

Agree with you, If it came down to it, i would also take lucien favre in a second, also julian nagelsmann would be a interesting candidate for the future, not so much the now ( he only just went to RB Lipzig)

 

['O Zio]

What can't you understand. Kane is our talesman and when fit he plays. We are a better team with Kane playing.

I'm sure everyone understands that but the trouble is if he plays 90mins every game then he's increasingly likely to get injured and be out altogether for several weeks. Or even if he didn't get injured, he's clearly going to be tired and so unable to perform to the top of his game.

 

['O Zio]

There a two coaches I'd like to see replace Poch. Simeone - Best defensively coach out there and Thomas Tuschel.

Simeone if be up for but not Tuchel. Really not a fan of his.

 

['O Zio]

For players, the likes of Barca and Real are in a higher league than us, but for coaches I reckon we’re top tier now. If Poch fucked off tonight, Pep and Klopp would have their lawyers looking for loopholes.

If you're not trolling then you've reached Liverpool-fan levels of delusion there I'm afraid.

 

[Dzejkob]

We all know second half of last season was bad. Despite CL run we were playing bad and were lucky to finish in TOP4. But I don't think anyone was blaming him or judging. He worked hard for our trust and that's what he received. We were all patiently waiting for new season. But when it started it looks like the team made 0 progress and still plays bad, questions have to be asked. We now have tough away game with Leicester. If we don't win there it will be 2 wins in 7 games in new season. That's very, very bad. Even 3 in 7 sounds bad. If we add to that games since begining of the year, it will be catastrofic.