The ousting of Daniel (COYS)

[mpickard2087]

If you want to get your argument out there across the football world and initiate change then I'd at least get some sort of solid factual argument in place where your opponent cannot wriggle off the hook.

I see far too many fans still bring it back to not spending money. Like it or not, in the last 3-4 years - of all clubs worldwide - we're 7th in total spend, and 3rd in net spend. The wage bill is a comparative weakness still but has as a % grown quicker than our rivals, and doubled, in the last 5 years. We pay managers a fortune, probably one of the biggest payers of them all. We have spent money, and a lot of it, and it's not really a correct narrative anymore (if it was in the past). And it's why you'll see pushback from the club as we have done in the last couple of years about spending, and why I assume we're getting quotes now where some at the club think they haven't done much, if anything, wrong.

If you're determined to skewer them, do it qualitatively and on stuff where there is merit. How this money is spent, club vision and operations (tbf, for once this week I saw the Supporters Trust at least attempt to put some fairly probing questions to the club on this), lack of trophies, etc..... Don't just boil it down to lazy, factually dubious, tropes.

 

[AtoubaToothpaste]

I have no idea how the funds will be used.
All i know is that if we recklessly over-spend we risk multiple Ndoms, or we will do a Leicester. We could win PL and then become mid-table the following season.
I think treading water is better than a steep drop. Once you falter, the climb is long and hard.

I'd take a few years of midtable if we won the league. Better than 4-6th place finishes and winning nothing, playing awful football.

 

[AtoubaToothpaste]

You lads have taken this conversation to a point where you won't agree out of spite if anything.

Have a cuppa or something.

Yup. We're all fans of the same club, let's not let the bald wanker have us turning against each other. Respect each other, lads.

 

[DiVaio]

Do they want them or do they think they're the best of a bad bunch so play them above others?

For Pochettino Rose played 798 league minutes(he was also suspended for one game) and Davies played only 283 minutes. Then new manager came - Mourinho who said multiple times how important Davies is for his tactics and when he was available in his first season he missed only 24 minutes of Premier League minutes under him plus Rose left the club. I remember reading from reliable sources that we bought Reguilon more as it was too good opportunity to miss than because Mourinho wanted upgrade on Davies.
Well known fact he wanted to buy Dier at United and Eric basically became undroppable from March 2020 until his last couple of games. Skriniar, Ruben or any CB that Levy supposedly didn't back Mourinho would most likely replace Davinson or Toby not Dier who also signed new contract during this time.

Dier is 4th most used player for Conte, Davies is 6th. We had rumours about Gvardiol, Bastoni and others potential left center backs so we can say he doesn't rate Ben super highly.But it's his 3rd window and we had 0 rumours about any central cb that would replace Dier, who is quite likely to sign new contract. We know that when Conte doesn't like player X he just doesn't use them which happened here and his previous clubs.

0 links with them moving out under Mourinho, some links they can leave under Nuno and again under Conte 0 links with them moving out but they will get contract extensions.

Seriously, whether you like/rate them or not, how can you say it's not obvious they rate them both?

 

[Albertbarich]

For Pochettino Rose played 798 league minutes(he was also suspended for one game) and Davies played only 283 minutes. Then new manager came - Mourinho who said multiple times how important Davies is for his tactics and when he was available in his first season he missed only 24 minutes of Premier League minutes under him plus Rose left the club. I remember reading from reliable sources that we bought Reguilon more as it was too good opportunity to miss than because Mourinho wanted upgrade on Davies.
Well known fact he wanted to buy Dier at United and Eric basically became undroppable from March 2020 until his last couple of games. Skriniar, Ruben or any CB that Levy supposedly didn't back Mourinho would most likely replace Davinson or Toby not Dier who also signed new contract during this time.

Dier is 4th most used player for Conte, Davies is 6th. We had rumours about Gvardiol, Bastoni and others potential left center backs so we can say he doesn't rate Ben super highly.But it's his 3rd window and we had 0 rumours about any central cb that would replace Dier, who is quite likely to sign new contract. We know that when Conte doesn't like player X he just doesn't use them which happened here and his previous clubs.

0 links with them moving out under Mourinho, some links they can leave under Nuno and again under Conte 0 links with them moving out but they will get contract extensions.

Seriously, whether you like/rate them or not, how can you say it's not obvious they rate them both?

Jesus mate do you live on a house of spreadsheets?

I don't mind either player for what it's worth .

Davies is a solid pro , never set the world alight and if we're going where we want to be he needs upgrading on but I would absolutely keep him around .

Dier still hasn't found consistency and he should absolutely be moved on for a reliable leader back there.

Also I never ever said they didn't rate them, I said that do they think that they're the best of a bad bunch? It was a question because if you offered Conte- Skriniar and Gvadiol or those two he would likely bite your hand off.

 

[Dov67]

The reason I asked "what happened to the cash" is because I was replying to a post where I'm confident the poster didn't have an accounting background and so was asking in simple terms for him to expand on his comment because he surely wasn't getting his information from the accounts. The question was never directed at you.

Your second paragraph confirms what I said, that we needed to show high cash reserves and profits in order to secure the financing.

Our spending over the last 4 seasons (new stadium era) compared to Arsenal and Liverpool according to Transfermarkt.com

Spurs
22/23 = £170m
21/22 = £96m
20/21 = £111m
19/20 = £149m
Total = £526m
Sales = £152m
Net = £374m

Arsenal
22/23 = £132m
21/22 = £167m,
20/21 = £86m
19/20 = £161m
Total = £546m
Sales = £128m
Net = £418m

Liverpool
22/23 = £137m
21/22 = £87m
20/21 = £84m
19/20 = £10m
Total = £318m
Sales = £172m
Net = £146m

Man U are a completely different animal to us and are way ahead of us financially so not worthy of comparison. As you can see from the above figures, our spending is pretty close Arsenal and far higher than Liverpool. So where does this notion that we don't invest in the playing squad come from? Levy has always said that the new stadium would enable us to compete financially with our rivals and even though Covid has been a huge disruption to that plan it seems to me that Levy is doing exactly what he said he would.

As far a missing out on player A or B and signing player C or D instead, neither of us has any idea whether any of that information is accurate or not and we probably never will. I prefer to look at the reality rather than the if's and maybe's. You can definitely say that our expensive signings haven't worked out well for us for the most part, but pretty much everyone was happy with the signings on Ndombele, Lo Celso, Bergwijn Reguilon and Sess when they were made.

Firstly, the funding for the stadium is already in place now and has been for quite some time, so we dont need to do anything other than stay in within the debt covenants which as I have explained will not be onerous at all.

Secondly, as for not knowing what goes on in transfers, we do know that Christopher Hitchens travelled to Milan to get Skrinniar. We do know that we would not meet the asking price so we didn’t get him, and went for the much cheaper Joe Rodon at 1/3 of the price and that Joe Rodon has played about 4 games maybe for us, and even then when forced into it by injuries and is now on loan in France. So well done Daniel Levy - not only did you not get the player that the manager wanted and could have improved the defence, you have also pissed away £11m on a player our last 3 managers didn’t trust as well - but at least he was cheap

 

[eViL]

we do know that Christopher Hitchens travelled to Milan to get Skrinniar.

I bet he told them all exactly what he thought about the situation too.

 

[cliff jones]

If you want to get your argument out there across the football world and initiate change then I'd at least get some sort of solid factual argument in place where your opponent cannot wriggle off the hook.

I see far too many fans still bring it back to not spending money. Like it or not, in the last 3-4 years - of all clubs worldwide - we're 7th in total spend, and 3rd in net spend. The wage bill is a comparative weakness still but has as a % grown quicker than our rivals, and doubled, in the last 5 years. We pay managers a fortune, probably one of the biggest payers of them all. We have spent money, and a lot of it, and it's not really a correct narrative anymore (if it was in the past). And it's why you'll see pushback from the club as we have done in the last couple of years about spending, and why I assume we're getting quotes now where some at the club think they haven't done much, if anything, wrong.

If you're determined to skewer them, do it qualitatively and on stuff where there is merit. How this money is spent, club vision and operations (tbf, for once this week I saw the Supporters Trust at least attempt to put some fairly probing questions to the club on this), lack of trophies, etc..... Don't just boil it down to lazy, factually dubious, tropes.

and in the period before that no club in the world spent less than us. Both sides of the debate can slice the stats to suit their arguments.

Over time, however, Frazier Campbell, Stratford, the manager search that led to Nuno, club signings that don't get played- and so much more besides- have drained him of credibility.

 

[citizenG100]

I bet he told them all exactly what he thought about the situation too.

Probably while also informing them why he didn't think God exists

 

[ultimateloner]

I'd take a few years of midtable if we won the league. Better than 4-6th place finishes and winning nothing, playing awful football.

That's being irrational.

 

[Rogmeister]

You lads have taken this conversation to a point where you won't agree out of spite if anything.

Have a cuppa or something.

A wank will work

 

[AtoubaToothpaste]

That's being irrational.

Why is it irrational to want to prefer winning the league over finishing top 4?

 

[ultimateloner]

Why is it irrational to want to prefer winning the league over finishing top 4?

I think you are being irrational for wanting a PL title followed by multiple years of mid-table finishes.

It's not worth the trade IMO. Just look at Leicester. Yes we will all remember their miraculous season but they are not moving forward.

You can't make mis-steps in this league. The revenue you lose from multiple mid-table finishes isn't worth the prestige of a PL-title.

 

[$hoguN]

I’m hoping that the fan anger is starting to hit home

 

[AtoubaToothpaste]

I think you are being irrational for wanting a PL title followed by multiple years of mid-table finishes.

It's not worth the trade IMO. Just look at Leicester. Yes we will all remember their miraculous season but they are not moving forward.

You can't make mis-steps in this league. The revenue you lose from multiple mid-table finishes isn't worth the prestige of a PL-title.

Each to their own, but for me, I'd 100% rather be a winning club than one that's only every challenging for UCL qualification. Is that moving forward? No one remembers how many times their club finishes top 4, they remember winning leagues and cups. Football for me is about prestige over healthy spreadsheets. I don't think that's irrational in the slightest. Our club used to be synonymous with glory and 'to dare is to do' not fiscal stability and never challenging for top honours. That sounds like post-peak Arsenal to me. Participation medals don't count for me, personally.

 

[DJS]

I can never understand how he can attend all the games and not see there are problems and that we need to recruit.

 

[zepstar]

I’m hoping that the fan anger is starting to hit home

Personally, I’ve finally realised that we all support a massive multi purpose stadium that’s attached to an averagely performing football club.

 

[spursfan77]

I can never understand how he can attend all the games and not see there are problems and that we need to recruit.

Yet we don’t look close to buying or selling anyone. It’s utterly bizarre.

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

Any chance Vivienne Lewis can walk into the next board meeting and simply whisper: Dracarys

 

[13VanDerBale13]

Next home game, time to make your feelings known.

You’re only fooling yourself, if you think anything will change under this ownership.