The ousting of Daniel (COYS)

[Joe Bjorn Hotspur]

You guys have to riot if prices are jacked up. Stop being so fucking blase about it.

I'm not a ST holder, don't buy merch and live abroad so only go to a game a year at most so what I do means jack all. It's you who go regularly who need to do this.

Couldn’t disagree, I cannot be a hypocrite as I’m not a ‘shouty’ type but all of this is now well beyond shrugging shoulders. I’m sure there will be many like me who’ve been sceptical of the board etc, never pro, but just carry on as usual who will join in with chanting to get them out. I know it’s unlikely but with the media narrative of our shit show from the top: we need to start being far more vocal, next 5 league home games we need to especially.

 

[shelfsidespur]

When’s the last time you travelled home with an inner glow?

A fair while ago but health issues have severely curtailed my attendance. My boys go and Grandkids will too if the atmosphere becomes less toxic. I want them to enjoy the experience, as I did.

 

[For the love of Spurs]

A fair while ago but health issues have severely curtailed my attendance. My boys go and Grandkids will too if the atmosphere becomes less toxic. I want them to enjoy the experience, as I did.

well it is a comedy in a £1bn circus if they can enjoy that.

 

[rossdapep]

I'm not sure the board are tone-deaf. I think they just like to stroke Levy's ego and he appreciates it so won't fire anyone on the board.

If you go to him and tell him that the club looks like joke and needs to do emoting he will probably get rid of you.

So a bunch of incompetent idiots in cushty positions.

We are screwed

 

[AtoubaToothpaste]

I can't be the first to comment on the decision to give profile to our DoF only yesterday, given this FIFA worldwide ban could have come at any time? Poor judgement, should have just left him in the shadows even if this did mean he might have to face up to the media properly, and accountably, himself?

How many more balls up's will it take for the power behind the throne to put him out of his misery?

There is literally no limit to how much Levy can fuck-up. All the time Lewis is happy with his investment growing, there's no reason at all from his (or Levy as a co-owner himself) perspective from changing things. The only time it'll change is if there's a buyout and the new owners throw Levy to the curb, but seeing as the news reports have suggested the cheese-monger wants to remain even after a buyout, I don't think we'll ever be rid of his bullshittery.

 

[Bing]

Couldn’t disagree, I cannot be a hypocrite as I’m not a ‘shouty’ type but all of this is now well beyond shrugging shoulders. I’m sure there will be many like me who’ve been sceptical of the board etc, never pro, but just carry on as usual who will join in with chanting to get them out. I know it’s unlikely but with the media narrative of our shit show from the top: we need to start being far more vocal, next 5 league home games we need to especially.

I think the thing people miss, is that even though a large chunk of our fan base feels like the club is a shit show and Levy is lucifer reincarnated, there is another chunk of fans who feel like things are ok...so-so but certainly better than they were pre-Enic.

I'm kind of in the middle but things are nowhere near bad enough for me to be out in front of the training ground with "Levy out" placards.

Don't get me wrong, I'll have a grumble about the fact we don't win anything whilst sitting in my seat in one of the best stadiums in Europe, watching a team of superstars managed by an elite manager playing Champions League football, but we're hardly Leeds 2004 here.

 

[AtoubaToothpaste]

I think the thing people miss, is that even though a large chunk of our fan base feels like the club is a shit show and Levy is lucifer reincarnated, there is another chunk of fans who feel like things are ok...so-so but certainly better than they were pre-Enic.

I'm kind of in the middle but things are nowhere near bad enough for me to be out in front of the training ground with "Levy out" placards.

Don't get me wrong, I'll have a grumble about the fact we don't win anything whilst sitting in my seat in one of the best stadiums in Europe, watching a team of superstars managed by an elite manager playing Champions League football, but we're hardly Leeds 2004 here.

But have you actually enjoyed the football that this so-called elite manager and a team of superstars have been serving up while paying the highest tickets in Europe? Because if you are, then full credit to you.

 

[Bing]

But have you actually enjoyed the football that this so-called elite manager and a team of superstars have been serving up while paying the highest tickets in Europe? Because if you are, then full credit to you.

No the football's been sh*te...but when we got Mourinho I was ecstatic....finally a world class, elite manager, with a proven track record. Same with Conte, and at the time of Conte's appointment, the feeling was almost unanomously that Levy had pulled a stroke getting Conte.

Obviously neither has worked out so we have to try something different. It is just so so difficult to compete and win things..Liverpool and United are massive clubs...Chavs, City and now Newcastle are massively wealthy clubs..Goons are coming off the base of the Wenger years...It is just really difficult and you have to keep tweaking until something clicks (like it has with Arteta ath the Goons).

 

[AtoubaToothpaste]

No the football's been sh*te...but when we got Mourinho I was ecstatic....finally a world class, elite manager, with a proven track record. Same with Conte, and at the time of Conte's appointment, the feeling was almost unanomously that Levy had pulled a stroke getting Conte.

Obviously neither has worked out so we have to try something different. It is just so so difficult to compete and win things..Liverpool and United are massive clubs...Chavs, City and now Newcastle are massively wealthy clubs..Goons are coming off the base of the Wenger years...It is just really difficult and you have to keep tweaking until something clicks (like it has with Arteta ath the Goons).

Can't disagree with any of that, mate. Of course it's difficult. I certainly don't expect us to be able to win things, but I do want us to play decent football while trying earnestly. It's been clear that under the so-called 'win now' managers that we had little interest in winning rather than doing everything we could to scrape into top 4.

 

[DarwinSpur]

No the football's been sh*te...but when we got Mourinho I was ecstatic....finally a world class, elite manager, with a proven track record. Same with Conte, and at the time of Conte's appointment, the feeling was almost unanomously that Levy had pulled a stroke getting Conte.

Obviously neither has worked out so we have to try something different. It is just so so difficult to compete and win things..Liverpool and United are massive clubs...Chavs, City and now Newcastle are massively wealthy clubs..Goons are coming off the base of the Wenger years...It is just really difficult and you have to keep tweaking until something clicks (like it has with Arteta ath the Goons).

I do find some of the sticks Spurs fans beat Levy with rather odd. I never wanted Poch sacked but bringing in Mourinho and Conte are hardly the acts of a Chairman not seeking to go the next missing step. Not hiring Ten Haag was, to me, the biggest mistake of that period but I never dreamt Levy would land Conte but he did. Big tick despite how its ended.

Also the Super League? WTF is Levy supposed to do there - say "no" and potentially have Spurs locked out of the elite level? Again I personally find the Super League idea distasteful and am glad it fell apart but I'd be "Levy out" if he HADN'T positioned Spurs to be on the inside of that. Would have been a major dereliction of duty.

Paratici? We all wanted a DOF and now he's banned Levy is in a difficult position because he has an appeal pending. The people up on their moral high horse have never had to face such decisions.

One thing is clear - we need a shake up from Top to bottom and a reset but I'm not sure I'd trust any of the Enic-outer frothers with making those decisions.

 

[AtoubaToothpaste]

I do find some of the sticks Spurs fans beat Levy with rather odd. I never wanted Poch sacked but bringing in Mourinho and Conte are hardly the acts of a Chairman not seeking to go the next missing step. Not hiring Ten Haag was, to me, the biggest mistake of that period but I never dreamt Levy would land Conte but he did. Big tick despite how its ended.

Also the Super League? WTF is Levy supposed to do there - say "no" and potentially have Spurs locked out of the elite level? Again I personally find the Super League idea distasteful and am glad it fell apart but I'd be "Levy out" if he HADN'T positioned Spurs to be on the inside of that. Would have been a major dereliction of duty.

Paratici? We all wanted a DOF and now he's banned Levy is in a difficult position because he has an appeal pending. The people up on their moral high horse have never had to face such decisions.

One thing is clear - we need a shake up from Top to bottom and a reset but I'm not sure I'd trust any of the Enic-outer frothers with making those decisions.

People with a different opinion to you aren't 'frothers.' Have some respect.

 

[carlosspurs]

I do find some of the sticks Spurs fans beat Levy with rather odd. I never wanted Poch sacked but bringing in Mourinho and Conte are hardly the acts of a Chairman not seeking to go the next missing step. Not hiring Ten Haag was, to me, the biggest mistake of that period but I never dreamt Levy would land Conte but he did. Big tick despite how its ended.

Also the Super League? WTF is Levy supposed to do there - say "no" and potentially have Spurs locked out of the elite level? Again I personally find the Super League idea distasteful and am glad it fell apart but I'd be "Levy out" if he HADN'T positioned Spurs to be on the inside of that. Would have been a major dereliction of duty.

Paratici? We all wanted a DOF and now he's banned Levy is in a difficult position because he has an appeal pending. The people up on their moral high horse have never had to face such decisions.

One thing is clear - we need a shake up from Top to bottom and a reset but I'm not sure I'd trust any of the Enic-outer frothers with making those decisions.

Not sure how is it odd to blame the person in overall charge of the business for over 20 years with the track record?
With Paratici - Yes due diligence should have been conducted ahead of recruitment.
Do we believe for one minute that the DoF has autonamy? Who signed Spence and Richarlison - wasn't it Levy? Nothing has changed , regardless of DoF titles.
Levy can not take a step back - proven time after time
Levy as a leader - has to be accountable, he isn't the only problem but as the head of the organisation, he does need to be accountable. I am yet to see where that has happened, he would have sacked himself.
Re- Shake-up - How do we trust Levy to do this with the current track record? I think a Levy outer may actually do no worse

 

[shelfsidespur]

But have you actually enjoyed the football that this so-called elite manager and a team of superstars have been serving up while paying the highest tickets in Europe? Because if you are, then full credit to you.

No the football's been sh*te...but when we got Mourinho I was ecstatic....finally a world class, elite manager, with a proven track record. Same with Conte, and at the time of Conte's appointment, the feeling was almost unanomously that Levy had pulled a stroke getting Conte.

Obviously neither has worked out so we have to try something different. It is just so so difficult to compete and win things..Liverpool and United are massive clubs...Chavs, City and now Newcastle are massively wealthy clubs..Goons are coming off the base of the Wenger years...It is just really difficult and you have to keep tweaking until something clicks (like it has with Arteta ath the Goons).

Great to see to see 2 posters with a different viewpoints in a reasoned discussion. I'll throw in a curved ball.
I agree with both but will add what I believe is Levy's position.
He went to Lewis with the proposition that for Spurs to be able to compete properly in the Premier League it had to significantly increase its income. The club's seating capacity was way below that of the new Highbury and of most of its major competitor. In an age where player acquisition costs and salaries were rapidly increasing Spurs could not keep up unless they were constantly winning. All options had to be considered and assessed. It became clear that a rebuild of the Stadium with multiple use options was vital. Perhaps JL's expertise made the addition of further developments the area a no brainer ( I certainly don't know the facts.) FFP definitely encourages the multiple use. Simply put, more income, more funds to support the team and backroom staff. Lewis agreed to fund Levy and told him to get it done. This is Levy's project not Lewis's.

In my opinion DL effectively alone appoints Managers and DoFs as well as keeping an eye on finances ( not because he's a money grabber -as many proclaim). This is too much too much responsibility for one individual and his decisions often seem reactive rather than planned. Both Conte and Paratici were pretty popular picks but we now know were wrong. At this stage getting the money from CL qualification is needed to acquire players we want and pay wages hence DL actions, A couple of years CL gives time for other assets to start kicking in. Not an easy time for Daniel but he ain't going nowhere!

 

[Stuart Leathercock]

I do find some of the sticks Spurs fans beat Levy with rather odd. I never wanted Poch sacked but bringing in Mourinho and Conte are hardly the acts of a Chairman not seeking to go the next missing step. Not hiring Ten Haag was, to me, the biggest mistake of that period but I never dreamt Levy would land Conte but he did. Big tick despite how its ended.

Also the Super League? WTF is Levy supposed to do there - say "no" and potentially have Spurs locked out of the elite level? Again I personally find the Super League idea distasteful and am glad it fell apart but I'd be "Levy out" if he HADN'T positioned Spurs to be on the inside of that. Would have been a major dereliction of duty.

Paratici? We all wanted a DOF and now he's banned Levy is in a difficult position because he has an appeal pending. The people up on their moral high horse have never had to face such decisions.

One thing is clear - we need a shake up from Top to bottom and a reset but I'm not sure I'd trust any of the Enic-outer frothers with making those decisions.

I disagree with your first paragraph. I think those appointments are the acts of a Chairman seeking not to go the next missing step, or perhaps more pertinently, completely misunderstanding what the next missing step is.

Our problem wasn't that our first team manager/coach wasn't good enough, he'd proved he was good enough by overachieving compared to resources provided over 5 years, it was instead that our team that, at it's peak was probably just 2 more really good players in the squad away from being able to win titles, had come to the end of a cycle and needed significant investment to go again. The manager in situ had been telling him that quite vociferously. The cheap and easy option was to bring in Mourinho in the hope that he could fashion a title out of what existed at the club, when anyone actually mentally and emotionally invested in the club knew that the club needed several more new players to get close to a title.

Taking the cheap option at that point has actually cost the club dear. We've instead since lurched from one manager to the next spending money without a coherent medium term plan of how we want to play football.

 

[g_harry]

What the best way to protest in ground that will not detract from team. Thinking something along lines of mass walkout of stadium before final whistle, no fans take their seat for kick-off. Don't buy any food/drink in next home game?

Something big needs to happen to get levy out of football side of things, have no problem if he wants to run the commercial side, but we need a football person in ASAP.

 

[DarwinSpur]

I disagree with your first paragraph. I think those appointments are the acts of a Chairman seeking not to go the next missing step, or perhaps more pertinently, completely misunderstanding what the next missing step is.

Our problem wasn't that our first team manager/coach wasn't good enough, he'd proved he was good enough by overachieving compared to resources provided over 5 years, it was instead that our team that, at it's peak was probably just 2 more really good players in the squad away from being able to win titles, had come to the end of a cycle and needed significant investment to go again. The manager in situ had been telling him that quite vociferously. The cheap and easy option was to bring in Mourinho in the hope that he could fashion a title out of what existed at the club, when anyone actually mentally and emotionally invested in the club knew that the club needed several more new players to get close to a title.

Taking the cheap option at that point has actually cost the club dear. We've instead since lurched from one manager to the next spending money without a coherent medium term plan of how we want to play football.

I agree with all of that my point is that many Enic-Out frothers were champing to sack Poch and get in " a serial winner".

I'm not defending Levy (except inasmuch as I think he had no choice re Super League much as I hate the concept) - I just don't think the Frothers (see the neg reppers on my original post ) have much about them other than froth which is why the Ousting of Daniel Levy tm never really gets anywhere.

 

[JCRD]

Ive been quite neutral about Levy and the Board and whilst everyone has been jumping on them, I recognise that they have done more good than bad for us - when I started supporting spurs we were dealing with Gerry fucking Francis but now we can potentially go for top gun managers (admittedly theyve gone wrong - but we are in the conversation)

However

The last few weeks it has made us become a circus. We have potentially become a laughing stock, if any club was in our position - we would also be laughing. That is on Levy and allowing Conte to dictate how he stayed etc and allowing Paratici to bring this club into what it now is becoming - we arent a serious club. It is quite difficult to have the club you love, mocked and you cant really argue with it - we are lost at the moment.

I will give Levy a chance here to correct this but really it is drawing to a last straw type situation.

 

[Stuart Leathercock]

I agree with all of that my point is that many Enic-Out frothers were champing to sack Poch and get in " a serial winner".

I'm not defending Levy (except inasmuch as I think he had no choice re Super League much as I hate the concept) - I just don't think the Frothers (see the neg reppers on my original post ) have much about them other than froth which is why the Ousting of Daniel Levy tm never really gets anywhere.

Yes but that fails to take into account that 90% of people who follow football don't actually have a clue about football

If the CEO is acting on the wishes of the 'frothers' as you call them, then there is a serious problem. I'm also not convinced that there was really much of a clamour from our fanbase for Pochettino to go when he was sacked, certainly not with the fans who were going to games anyway. Of course social media was filled with its usual bile but I'd really hope our CEO doesn't make his decisions based on social media posts?

 

[SirNiNyHotspur]

I agree with all of that my point is that many Enic-Out frothers were champing to sack Poch and get in " a serial winner".

I'm not defending Levy (except inasmuch as I think he had no choice re Super League much as I hate the concept) - I just don't think the Frothers (see the neg reppers on my original post ) have much about them other than froth which is why the Ousting of Daniel Levy tm never really gets anywhere.

Man you talk some shit. The clue is in the name, it’s not Mourinho-In. Most ENIC-Out ‘frothers’ know Mourinho was not about ambition, it was about ignoring the rebuild Poch was calling for.

 

[Misfit]

Man you talk some shit. The clue is in the name, it’s not Mourinho-In. Most ENIC-Out ‘frothers’ know Mourinho was not about ambition, it was about ignoring the rebuild Poch was calling for.

"Make Dier a world class centre back.", seemed to be Levy's master plan when hiring Mou. LOL.

Lots said about the unforgiving nature of professional football, which is true to a point, but I'm not sure Tavistock's other ventures would see decision-makers treated anywhere near as forgivingly with that kind of decision-making as they have been at ENIC/Tottenham. The consequences wouldn't be easy to cushion with other variables I guess.