The ousting of Daniel (COYS)

[DiVaio]

Take a look at the Simon Jordan podcast where Sherwood is his guest. Tells you all you need to know about Levy when you hear he got involved when got wind that Sherwood was going to play Kane ahead of Soldado.
He was worried about devaluing his £29M investment.

This folks is why he refuses to surrender control and will most likely hire a puppet as our next manager.

Such a sorry state of affairs that one man can hamper a football club so badly on the pitch. He continues to make horrendous mistakes.

Fantastic story by Sherwood but the first time Kane started Premier League game under him was when Soldado was injured. And then Kane scored 3 goals and had an assist in next three games.

 

[Chris Finch]

Fantastic story by Sherwood but the first time Kane started Premier League game under him was when Soldado was injured. And then Kane scored 3 goals and had an assist in next three games.

Isn’t that his point?

 

[DiVaio]

Isn’t that his point?

Well for some reason I don't believe Levy was angry he didn't play injured player ahead of Kane.

 

[Shanks]

Can you elaborate on the logic you’re applying to this conclusion? I don’t understand what you mean.

Is this a wind up?

we finished 8th this season, the way it’s going likely to be lower next year - unless you been hiding behind a rock all season

 

[beats1]

Is this a wind up?

we finished 8th this season, the way it’s going likely to be lower next year - unless you been hiding behind a rock all season

Depends on who we hire, when we had a manager this season we were 4th in the league

If were hire a good manager who can handle the role, we challenge for fourth next season

If not, the wheels will fall and may end up lower especially if Kane leaves

 

[sundanceyid10]

Take a look at the Simon Jordan podcast where Sherwood is his guest. Tells you all you need to know about Levy when you hear he got involved when got wind that Sherwood was going to play Kane ahead of Soldado.
He was worried about devaluing his £29M investment.

This folks is why he refuses to surrender control and will most likely hire a puppet as our next manager.

Such a sorry state of affairs that one man can hamper a football club so badly on the pitch. He continues to make horrendous mistakes.

Look at all the c*** s**** players we hang onto who are not good enough that end up hanging around because Levy wants every last penny for them. Fine he wants a deal, but also sends a c*** message that failure is tolerated and you can just hang about the club. No wonder we have no winning culture. Profit before trophies.

 

[sundanceyid10]

Interesting article, I know it’s talksport but £55m paid out in the last ten years on sacked managers, soon adds up doesn’t it Daniel….

Tottenham's eye-watering manager pay outs over the last decade with Conte's still to come

Another Tottenham manager has bitten the dust, and so the club’s hierarchy will take another financial hit. Antonio Conte finally left the club on Sunday night, eight days after his outburst …

talksport.com

The end result of having no plan and making it all up as you go along. He is reactionary and just decides the direction by the way the wind is blowing/how much shit he is in.

 

[SpursSince1980]

Is this a wind up?

we finished 8th this season, the way it’s going likely to be lower next year - unless you been hiding behind a rock all season

I was hiding behind that rock below. Thought he was referring to falling down this list.

Sadly, I’m well aware of how crap we are. That said, I appreciate the reminder.

 

[g_harry]

Fantastic story by Sherwood but the first time Kane started Premier League game under him was when Soldado was injured. And then Kane scored 3 goals and had an assist in next three games.

He done exactly same with Ndombele in the documentary. Totally undermining the manager. Players then know the manager has not the final say so why would they listen. He just needs to be chased ASAP.

 

[sloth]

Levy is on some kind of spectrum. He likes bricks, mortar and numbers because there's no emotion involved. He is completely rubbish at people though. He wishes emotion would be taken out of human relations.

"Daniel, please don't go back and renogetiate after we already made that verbal agreement?"
"Why not?"
"Because trust matters? We need to build relationships-"
"Let me stop you right there. That is emotional. This is business. I maybe can do a better deal, so I'm going to try."
"What if they walk away?"
"Then they will have been behaving emotionally, and I can't help that!"

These manager hunts are all the same. He doesn't get that an interview is a two way thing and he's get checked out too. Especially now that he's probably got the worst man-management reputation of any CEO in world football. He says he wants to take the emotion out of it and take his time, so the people on the top of the lists, who want to feel wanted and require the emotion to be there to choose the club, walk away.

Levy shrugs his shoulders "That is their error. They were acting too emotionally."
"Yes, but Daniel, now all we've got left is some aging Aussie geezer who's never had any significant success in his career."
"It is not my fault. Those others were too emotional. It is their fault if they walked away."
"But now it's much worse that it would have been-"
"Let me stop you right there. It is not much worse because nobody knows the future. This is the process. If other people are too emotional for the process then that is their fault..."

And then the guys he goes for, (from Jaques fucking Santini, to Jose fucking Mourinho and then to Nuno and so on) show he actually doesn't understand what is important.

"Daniel, but these are defensive managers-"
"Let me stop you right there. They are winners. It doesn't matter the style."
"But that's not what this club is about-"
"Let me stop you write there. That is emotional talk. I will pick based on my criteria."
"What is that criteria?"
"If they are winners. If they follow my process."
"Ok, so this Ange Postecoglou-"
"He is a winner"
"Has had no significant success in his career-"
"He has won many times in the last two years."
"-except in Scotland-"
"That is winning. Scotland is the same size as Holland."
"-Whose record of exporting succesful coaches goes: Sir Alex Ferguson."
"Ferguson is not available. He has retired. I would not hire him anyway. He is too emotional."
"Other than Ferguson, who else is there?"
"Brendan Rogers won the FA Cup with Leicester after managing Celtic."
"Who you said you didn't like because-"
"He was rude about me. That is too emotional."
"Ok, so who else?"
"Alex McLeish won a League Cup with Birmingham."
"Yes, but didn't he also get Birmingham relegated-"
"Let me stop you there. The next season they won the Champioship-"
"That's true-"
"That is winning something. Statistically it is the biggest prize money available in world football."
"Right so Alex McLeish is your prime example-"
"Let me stop you there. I have already spoken to him. He is not available. He said he is happy managing Kazakhstan."
"Is there anyone else?"
"Dick Advocaat. He also is not available. He is managing Utrecht. He said he had been told about me-"
"So what you're saying is basically in the last 20 years, of the 10 plus managers who have managed in the Premier League after managing in the SPL, they have collectively gone on to win two Cups and nothing in Europe, and several have gone on to get their EPL teams relegated or nearly relegated-"
"Let me stop you there. You are being emotional. We cannot interpret the wider context of things, that would involve emotions. We can only look at records, and in Scotland - which is the same size as Holland - they have won many things. Therefore they are good candidates. Also, they agree to my process. Please enter in my diary that I am having lunch with Steven Gerard later. He won with Rangers you know and he was a good captain at Liverpool. Also Lampard is available. He has not won anything yet, but Mourinho liked him and Mourinho has won lots of things, and Lampard says he loves my process and everyone he talks to says I am an amazing CEO. I like him."

 

[Gareth88]

The season coming will be it for Daniel imo. Call me naive but if it goes tits up again, he has to see that he doesn’t know what he is doing.

 

[thebenjamin]

Woo boy

 

[mil1lion]

To be fair that sounds more like Baldini than Levy right? Just Levy speaking up for him.

 

[Hotspur33]

Levy is on some kind of spectrum. He likes bricks, mortar and numbers because there's no emotion involved. He is completely rubbish at people though. He wishes emotion would be taken out of human relations.

"Daniel, please don't go back and renogetiate after we already made that verbal agreement?"
"Why not?"
"Because trust matters? We need to build relationships-"
"Let me stop you right there. That is emotional. This is business. I maybe can do a better deal, so I'm going to try."
"What if they walk away?"
"Then they will have been behaving emotionally, and I can't help that!"

These manager hunts are all the same. He doesn't get that an interview is a two way thing and he's get checked out too. Especially now that he's probably got the worst man-management reputation of any CEO in world football. He says he wants to take the emotion out of it and take his time, so the people on the top of the lists, who want to feel wanted and require the emotion to be there to choose the club, walk away.

Levy shrugs his shoulders "That is their error. They were acting too emotionally."
"Yes, but Daniel, now all we've got left is some aging Aussie geezer who's never had any significant success in his career."
"It is not my fault. Those others were too emotional. It is their fault if they walked away."
"But now it's much worse that it would have been-"
"Let me stop you right there. It is not much worse because nobody knows the future. This is the process. If other people are too emotional for the process then that is their fault..."

And then the guys he goes for, (from Jaques fucking Santini, to Jose fucking Mourinho and then to Nuno and so on) show he actually doesn't understand what is important.

"Daniel, but these are defensive managers-"
"Let me stop you right there. They are winners. It doesn't matter the style."
"But that's not what this club is about-"
"Let me stop you write there. That is emotional talk. I will pick based on my criteria."
"What is that criteria?"
"If they are winners. If they follow my process."
"Ok, so this Ange Postecoglou-"
"He is a winner"
"Has had no significant success in his career-"
"He has won many times in the last two years."
"-except in Scotland-"
"That is winning. Scotland is the same size as Holland."
"-Whose record of exporting succesful coaches goes: Sir Alex Ferguson."
"Ferguson is not available. He has retired. I would not hire him anyway. He is too emotional."
"Other than Ferguson, who else is there?"
"Brendan Rogers won the FA Cup with Leicester after managing Celtic."
"Who you said you didn't like because-"
"He was rude about me. That is too emotional."
"Ok, so who else?"
"Alex McLeish won a League Cup with Birmingham."
"Yes, but didn't he also get Birmingham relegated-"
"Let me stop you there. The next season they won the Champioship-"
"That's true-"
"That is winning something. Statistically it is the biggest prize money available in world football."
"Right so Alex McLeish is your prime example-"
"Let me stop you there. I have already spoken to him. He is not available. He said he is happy managing Kazakhstan."
"Is there anyone else?"
"Dick Advocaat. He also is not available. He is managing Utrecht. He said he had been told about me-"
"So what you're saying is basically in the last 20 years, of the 10 plus managers who have managed in the Premier League after managing in the SPL, they have collectively gone on to win two Cups and nothing in Europe, and several have gone on to get their EPL teams relegated or nearly relegated-"
"Let me stop you there. You are being emotional. We cannot interpret the wider context of things, that would involve emotions. We can only look at records, and in Scotland - which is the same size as Holland - they have won many things. Therefore they are good candidates. Also, they agree to my process. Please enter in my diary that I am having lunch with Steven Gerard later. He won with Rangers you know and he was a good captain at Liverpool. Also Lampard is available. He has not won anything yet, but Mourinho liked him and Mourinho has won lots of things, and Lampard says he loves my process and everyone he talks to says I am an amazing CEO. I like him."

I’m not sure what’s worse. The fact you took the time to write that, or that I took the time to read it.
If you actually know him personally, fair enough, but assuming you don’t know him, you’ve just made all that up.

 

[AngryBob]

To be fair that sounds more like Baldini than Levy right? Just Levy speaking up for him.

Either way, it's still undermining the manager.

Baldini should be speaking to Sherwood directly if he has an opinion, but oh no, go scurrying off to big Dan (COYS) and get him to use his weight and lean in (we saw this with Rose and Jose). Another example of Levy being waaaaay too close to day-to-day football operations and also the toxic environment and politics he creates. And not letting the two 'football' people thrash out the footballing matters, the weasel bean counter has to get involved. If we are to believe this story, he then exposes his true nature with the narrative surrounding the two players... MONEY. Not who is best, or who is on form, to who is fit... whose value will be devalued, can we make a quick buck... it's so symptomatic of his tenure and involvement in the wrong way in the wrong places.

 

[Drink!Drink!]

Either way, it's still undermining the manager.

Baldini should be speaking to Sherwood directly if he has an opinion, but oh no, go scurrying off to big Dan (COYS) and get him to use his weight and lean in (we saw this with Rose and Jose). Another example of Levy being waaaaay too close to day-to-day football operations and also the toxic environment and politics he creates. And not letting the two 'football' people thrash out the footballing matters, the weasel bean counter has to get involved. If we are to believe this story, he then exposes his true nature with the narrative surrounding the two players... MONEY. Not who is best, or who is on form, to who is fit... whose value will be devalued, can we make a quick buck... it's so symptomatic of his tenure and involvement in the wrong way in the wrong places.

Add to that how Levy hovers around the training ground restaurant in the mornings - open invitation for players to come to him and moan about the manager.

I've no idea who is best placed to do it, but someone needs to stage on "intervention" on Levy.

 

[mil1lion]

Either way, it's still undermining the manager.

Baldini should be speaking to Sherwood directly if he has an opinion, but oh no, go scurrying off to big Dan (COYS) and get him to use his weight and lean in (we saw this with Rose and Jose). Another example of Levy being waaaaay too close to day-to-day football operations and also the toxic environment and politics he creates. And not letting the two 'football' people thrash out the footballing matters, the weasel bean counter has to get involved. If we are to believe this story, he then exposes his true nature with the narrative surrounding the two players... MONEY. Not who is best, or who is on form, to who is fit... whose value will be devalued, can we make a quick buck... it's so symptomatic of his tenure and involvement in the wrong way in the wrong places.

It is but I dont think Levy really knows how to operate with a dof/sporting director. In the interview its clear Baldini raised an issue with Levy who then as you say undermines the manager. I think its a case of him taking the side of Baldini. You could say he backed his dof over the manager in that case. Thank God Sherwood fought to keep Kane on that occasion. This is the issue with the dof though, he has to be aligned with the manager. I think on this occasion it was a matter of Sherwood taking over unplanned and then you end up with a split view between manager and dof. It is a strange environment though when people run to the chairman.

We've had this issue before though, Jol didn't seem to work well with Comolli and Poch (when Mitchell left)/Redknapp/Jose all ended up without a dof. I always think the manager and dof are a package deal. They need to be on the same page and keep Levy out of it. The issue is when you sack a manager or change dof this situation can happen. I think on that occasion Baldini was brought in and he had Levys ear where Sherwood took temporary charge and didn't get that control.

 

[Bing]

Interesting watch. The 40 second mark really brings it home...5th to 3rd to 2nd in his first three seasons with a phenomenal and young starting 11....you forget just how good it was. We had an incredible team.

We really should've pushed on but the stadium was a distraction and we made an absolutel horrorshow of the recruitment side of things.

 

[AngryBob]

It is but I dont think Levy really knows how to operate with a dof/sporting director. In the interview its clear Baldini raised an issue with Levy who then as you say undermines the manager. I think its a case of him taking the side of Baldini. You could say he backed his dof over the manager in that case. Thank God Sherwood fought to keep Kane on that occasion. This is the issue with the dof though, he has to be aligned with the manager. I think on this occasion it was a matter of Sherwood taking over unplanned and then you end up with a split view between manager and dof. It is a strange environment though when people run to the chairman.

We've had this issue before though, Jol didn't seem to work well with Comolli and Poch (when Mitchell left)/Redknapp/Jose all ended up without a dof. I always think the manager and dof are a package deal. They need to be on the same page and keep Levy out of it. The issue is when you sack a manager or change dof this situation can happen. I think on that occasion Baldini was brought in and he had Levys ear where Sherwood took temporary charge and didn't get that control.

I hear you. And kind of what I alluded to, albeit poorly.

The relationship between Levy and the DOF is skewed and always seems to be, and I feel this is engineered by Levy so that he always has more leverage and power. You're right; the relationship should be between the manager and DOF. They should be like Ant and Dec, thick as thieves, aligned, and with a dodgy forehead.

But yes, the Sherwood situation was an anomaly... kind of, though now it seems to be the norm as we plough through hapless managers

 

[g_harry]

Interesting watch. The 40 second mark really brings it home...5th to 3rd to 2nd in his first three seasons with a phenomenal and young starting 11....you forget just how good it was. We had an incredible team.

We really should've pushed on but the stadium was a distraction and we made an absolutel horrorshow of the recruitment side of things.

It really sad that it took last 5 years for alot of our fans to really appreciate/understand what we had with Poch. As I have stated on a number of occasions and at time, had he been left alone and backed with few smart Jan additions I am 100% convinced he would have got us in 4th.