What Our Opponents' Fans Are Saying About Us 22/23

[SpartanSpur]

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• They have the edge on us for sure, last season and the upcoming one, better manager and two World class strikers. I think we will probably finish behind them but I don't see a huge gulf in class, maybe by a few points like last season.
• Collectively we have better defenders , they have better attackers, the midfield is fairly even. World class attackers will win you games though which is why they finished above us and might do again depending on how Jesus works out. Better manager as well which helps.
• Think Sp**s signings are perfect for their squad, and they’ll add another couple I think. But also, I think Conte > Tuchel. Tuchel hasn’t done anything in the PL.
• I'd be gutted if Sp**s got Richarlison. Find it really strange that they seem to be the only side in for him.
• Not sure I agree, for me Sp**s signings are being overrated on here. Solid signings, nothing more. Chelsea also schooled Sp**s in every game last season. Sp**s didn't even score vs them in 4 games. Chelsea vs Sp**s in Matchday 2 will tell us a bit about where both teams are.

Hold tight - the guru himself has awoken......... SA_Gunner:

• SA_Gunner - I'll believe Conte is a title contender when I see them play something more than just counter attacks next season. As it stands... their mid block, counter attacking football will not win you the league, because that works well for mid table and lower sides who do not have to come out at all. Sp**s need to press higher up the pitch for starters, and they have the players to do that. Problem is... they arent willing to push their lines up because that opens them up to be countered. To Conte's credit, he has Sp**s pressing more once teams cross into their half, so he is adaptable to latest trends.
• Damn I rate Richarlison highly.. Lenglet is **** though, maybe a back 3 can hide his ****ness idk
• Yeah, right, they are spanking 60M on Richarlison to warm the bench. Kulusevski hasnt shown anything to be an indisputed starter. And I am really petrified by this defense...
• Sp**s got CL and borrowed a **** ton of money out for this window and the best deal they got was Bissouma. They’ve been bent over by Everton who somehow got £60M for a guy who’s never scored more than 11 goals in the PL all while they are begging for money because of FFP. If Arsenal got CL and that’s our window I’d throw up.
• Conte is a piece of **** but brilliant manager, his biggest weakness however is picking the right players in the market loads of players he bought at Juve Chelsea or Inter have bombed. Perisic unfortunately will most likely be great for them, Bissouma too, Richarlison however I'm sure will manage to clash with Conte. If he manages to make Lenglet look serviceable again he deserves Manager of the Year. OnlyOne is right for a team that's in the CL their transfer business is unimpressive. Will mean little overall however because while we always look less than the total sum of our parts under Arteta Conte manages to extract great return out of nonsense players like Young Moses Giaccherini Höjbjerg etc.

I have a few observations:

- If they think Richarlison is a fair-weather player then good luck with Gabriel Jesus, the striker that prefers to play wide because of the pressure.

- Imagine saying Bissouma is over-rated when he bossed Arsenal's (and our) midfield on multiple occasions. If anyone is over-rated it's Partey and Xhaka.

- How can their defenders be better than ours despite us conceding 8 fewer goals than them all season (which included us sacking a manager mid season)? Even more so when we apparently have a 'meh' midfielders and defenders compared to them.

- Conte-ball is less well equipped to win league titles than legoball according to SA Gunner despite us winning more games by 2+ goals in the second half of the season and having a better record against the top 3 sides.

- I won't even bother with the debt thing again because clearly none of them are old enough to have a mortgage.

- The Spurs team from the end of the season was far superior to theirs. The only reason they hung in there was a nice run of games against Chelsea,, Utd and West Ham where everything went in their favour. Around those they got slapped by us, Newcastle, Brighton and Palace and lost 1-0 at Southampton. It took Conte until March to really mould the team into his image so that 2 point gap is a fallacy.

I get wanting to be optimistic and hoping you can overtake your rivals but I've never been more confident of us being better than them in the present and near future. If Conte even stays here for just 2 more years aligned with our new financial power (and Ambramovich leaving Chelsea) I think we'll be seen as the top team in London at that time.

 

[KILLA_SIN]

GJ has scored 14 goals in the Premier league that's his highest total playing for one of the 2 most attacking sides in the EPL 14 and 13 are his highest , Richarlison 13 is highest twice playing for everton under 5 managers

 

[Dakes]

Just because Pep's City completely dominate the ball and play with a high line, that doesn't mean it's the only effective way to win a league title.

Even under Poch we hardly touched the ball when playing City, yet we would somehow beat them.

X-Files stuff

 

[whitechina]

Thanks @goughie1966 for the updates- you're spending a lot of time over there thou- be careful you don't catch something horrible!

 

[Serpico]

Fabio Vieira: Injured Already

And they talk about us.

 

[goughie1966]

Arsemania

• Wouldn't write off Conte getting something out of Lenglet. Kulusevski/Bentancur didn't look the most inspiring of signings in January but he got what he needed out of them.
• Lenglet is good cover for the LCB spot, the type of player Conte will improve massively. Bissouma starts for every team in the league bar maybe City. Perisic is a brilliant squad option, Richarlison is the perfect cover for Kane/Son and Spence is one of the best RB talents in England who absolutely bullied Martinelli last season. Their business isn’t finished either.
• £60m for a chicken-dancing-low-goal return diving **** is getting fleeced with your pants down
• You wanted Richarlison at Arsenal? I remember you saying you liked he was strong in the air. We would’ve had to pay a high fee for him and you would’ve been happy i guess.
• It’s not 60M though. He’s 25, his end product will rise playing with Son, Kane etc. Before he was playing with Alex Iwobi.
• Everything they’re doing makes perfect sense. Conte is plugging holes and building an excellent squad there that’s going to compete at the top, his record at clubs when backed is phenomenal and he’s getting all his targets.
• Not bothered about Richarlison to Sp**s. If they're planning for the future and see him as Son or Kanes longterm replacement then that's a massive drop in quality.
• They haven't borrowed any money. The owners have invested a cash injection of 150 million. Nothing has to be paid back . They dont have huge debts in any negative or prohibitive way. They basically have a very low interest fixed rate mortgage where the yearly payments are a fraction of their huge income. If any of us here think they will struggle to find money, now their stadium is finally generating the huge revenues post covid it was designed to do, they are very much mistaken.
• The stadium cost 2-3x what it was planned to, and they got hit by covid at the worst possible time which even worsened things. Are you a Sp**s fan chiming in? Because there is no way that a new stadium and all those added unexpected problems are not affecting Sp**s. Money doesn't grow on trees.
• Sp**s in advance talk with Djed Spence. So they have already finished their business soon. And Edu is always working hard and pushing hard but nothing agreed
• Levy took seriously forever to get that Championship RB to Sp**s. at one point the deal was nearly off. no one asking Sp**s where the money coming from? interesting.
• What rubbish is this? Absolutely rattled aren’t you?
• Richarlison was pressured to chose Sp**s he waited for better teams.
• Richarlison is extremely talented but he’s been in the league for years now and has always been very hit and miss. The inconsistency would drive me crazy. However, if there ever was a manager to get him to focus and unlock all that natural talent on a regular basis, it’s Conte. So this signing is definitely pissing me off ffs.
• Sp**s 16/1 third favourites for the title. Lump on lads.
• Jesus deal is much better than the Richarlison deal. I can't see how this can be contested. And Sp**s surely wanted Jesus
• How the **** do you know that now?
• Richarlison is always a nuisance against us, he smashed our defense to pieces last season, while Jesus has always been the least fearful of all City attackers. If things aren’t going well in a game, Jesus seems to do nothing. I get the feeling Richarlison will go up a level with better players around him
• Jesus is technically way better, always been rated higher and simply better player
• Jesus is cheaper and more proven. Both play for Brazil. It's very simple. Also other is a jackass who tries to end people's careers with tackles and doesn't even succeed in that.
• Lingard - 150k a week. Hopefully Conte and Paratici paying him that get that Sp**s team more older.
• Man that Richarlison Son Kane attack is gonna be tough to deal with. I remember the game in Everton when our defense had no idea how to stop Richarlison. He was on his own and he scored about 3 goals with VAR ruling out 2 of them. With Bissouma that's quite a reinforcement.
• Sp**s having a good window, yet not jealous of any of their signings, nothing club.
• If we don't get good winger I'll be jealous they got Richarlison other than that it's meh.
• SA_Gunner - Bissouma is not better than Partey, its more Partey being prone. Richarlison is good, but we have similar in Martinelli as well, so not bothered there either. Kane and Son is where they remain clear. Kulusevski looks a good addition too. Those players we've known about. Their trump card is Conte, and getting their system going... that's their best bet for a solid season. He has the ability as well, we'll see the tools come beginning of the season.
  

 

[Misfit]

Arsenal fans now remind me of us lot back when we finally stopped being totally crapola in the mid 00s. We used to compare our starting lineups hopelessly favourably against Pool who were perennial 4th place champions back then.

 

[djhotspur]

Where to start….

‘we have better defenders’. ???
‘Kulu hasn’t shown anything to be (sic) undisputed starter’. Imagine if Arsenal bought a 22 year old who got 5 goals and 8 assists in half a season. They would act like they’d signed Pele
‘Bent over by Everton as Richarlison has never scored more than 11 goals in the PL’ for a shit team, but spending almost the same for a guy who never got more than 14 for the best team in the country even when he was their only CF is fine, and no one thinks Jesus has the all round game Richarlison has.
‘Borrowed a ton of money’ - another idiot who doesn’t know the difference between equity and debt

plus richarlison scored 13 twice in the league…. Kulu broke records for most goal contributions in first 10 games by a player

 

[sundanceyid10]

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• They have the edge on us for sure, last season and the upcoming one, better manager and two World class strikers. I think we will probably finish behind them but I don't see a huge gulf in class, maybe by a few points like last season.
• Collectively we have better defenders , they have better attackers, the midfield is fairly even. World class attackers will win you games though which is why they finished above us and might do again depending on how Jesus works out. Better manager as well which helps.
• Think Sp**s signings are perfect for their squad, and they’ll add another couple I think. But also, I think Conte > Tuchel. Tuchel hasn’t done anything in the PL.
• I'd be gutted if Sp**s got Richarlison. Find it really strange that they seem to be the only side in for him.
• Not sure I agree, for me Sp**s signings are being overrated on here. Solid signings, nothing more. Chelsea also schooled Sp**s in every game last season. Sp**s didn't even score vs them in 4 games. Chelsea vs Sp**s in Matchday 2 will tell us a bit about where both teams are.

Hold tight - the guru himself has awoken......... SA_Gunner:

• SA_Gunner - I'll believe Conte is a title contender when I see them play something more than just counter attacks next season. As it stands... their mid block, counter attacking football will not win you the league, because that works well for mid table and lower sides who do not have to come out at all. Sp**s need to press higher up the pitch for starters, and they have the players to do that. Problem is... they arent willing to push their lines up because that opens them up to be countered. To Conte's credit, he has Sp**s pressing more once teams cross into their half, so he is adaptable to latest trends.
• Damn I rate Richarlison highly.. Lenglet is **** though, maybe a back 3 can hide his ****ness idk
• Yeah, right, they are spanking 60M on Richarlison to warm the bench. Kulusevski hasnt shown anything to be an indisputed starter. And I am really petrified by this defense...
• Sp**s got CL and borrowed a **** ton of money out for this window and the best deal they got was Bissouma. They’ve been bent over by Everton who somehow got £60M for a guy who’s never scored more than 11 goals in the PL all while they are begging for money because of FFP. If Arsenal got CL and that’s our window I’d throw up.
• Conte is a piece of **** but brilliant manager, his biggest weakness however is picking the right players in the market loads of players he bought at Juve Chelsea or Inter have bombed. Perisic unfortunately will most likely be great for them, Bissouma too, Richarlison however I'm sure will manage to clash with Conte. If he manages to make Lenglet look serviceable again he deserves Manager of the Year. OnlyOne is right for a team that's in the CL their transfer business is unimpressive. Will mean little overall however because while we always look less than the total sum of our parts under Arteta Conte manages to extract great return out of nonsense players like Young Moses Giaccherini Höjbjerg etc.

How can anyone say the midfield is even with a straight face, when you have Granit Xhaka in your team.

 

[whitechina]

It's come to new levels of delusion when Arsenal fans are worse than Liverpools.
Long may north London stay white!

 

[Nice One Cyril]

They really got me when they said we have better defenders, anyway are they still winning the transfer window or are they just trying to win the internet now.

Better defenders?... what like Holding.. ?

 

[mmidgers]

All the arsenal support have now is talk. They can convince themselves that they're still relevant all they want, but no champions League and finishing below is for the last 6 years would suggest otherwise. Globally their brand is being damaged and players are turning them down. They've resorted to 'winning transfer windows' and other meaningless crap. Looking forward to smashing them to pieces again next season ?

 

[goughie1966]

Kumb

• Richarlinson off to Spurs, not going to lie but I think he’d be an excellent addition for them. Seems the perfect player for how Conte plays.
• Not sure he plays much to be honest, he won't get in ahead of Son, does he play over Kulusevski?
• A snidey, **** of a player, playing for a snidey, **** of a manager, playing for a snidey **** of a football club, in a team full of snidey c****, in a stadium packed with snidey c****. ?
• This won't be a popular suggestion but I wonder if Spurs would consider selling Højbjerg with Bissouma joining and Skipp being so highly rated by them.
• They can sell them if they like as long as they keep away from us...
• Big signing for Spurs. Odds on Frank being the first premier league manager sacked anyone!
• Richarlison, Son and Kane? That's arguably the best attack in the PL?!?
• No where near the top two honestly. I don't think Richarlison even starts
• Not to mention Kuvulevski or however you spell his name. I think richarlison may be 4th choice there!Kane & Son alone make them extremely close to the top 2 alone..
• I agree, spurs doing some good business TBF...They will do well this season..
• I don't think Richarlison starts over Kulusevski, and his attitude stinks. Happy to be benched behind Kane and Son? Doubt it. Kane and Son are very good, they're not as good as what Man City Liverpool have, and they only score so so many because the entire team is funneled towards them.
• Son imo is one of, if not the most, underrated players in the PL.
• There will be long periods of time when Richarlison looks like a comically poor buy for £70m ?and periods of time when it looks like an inspired one - that’s the streaky nature of Richarlison. Who must surely already be up there among the most costly accumulated transfer fees in prem history in his mid-twenties. But Spurs have needed and struggled to find back-up to Kane for as long as Kane has been their main man, and Richarlison is undoubtedly the best they’ve had there.
• I would be very surprised if they don't challenge at the very top of the PL this year. The manager knows how to win titles, and they got 8 points from 4 games against Liverpool and Man City last year so they need to address issues of consistency against others. The players they are signing - Perisic, Bissouma, Richarlison - are all better than the ones they are getting shot of, but they are still looking to build what is very close to two teams.
• Kulusevski was outperforming his expected output stats significantly the last six months, as well as his historical output. You can’t rule out it was simply a breakthrough for him given his age but the fundamentals would suggest he regresses from that level a bit this season.
• I think with kane they will play him behind richardlson. As kane as lost his pace and seems to like to work from midfield and gets forward mainly at set pieces and corners and it will allow song to get more forward with richaldson imo. I'd love to know were the dough coming from as rumours were rife that the new stadium and covid was killing there finances.

 

[SpartanSpur]

Arsemania

• Wouldn't write off Conte getting something out of Lenglet. Kulusevski/Bentancur didn't look the most inspiring of signings in January but he got what he needed out of them.
• Lenglet is good cover for the LCB spot, the type of player Conte will improve massively. Bissouma starts for every team in the league bar maybe City. Perisic is a brilliant squad option, Richarlison is the perfect cover for Kane/Son and Spence is one of the best RB talents in England who absolutely bullied Martinelli last season. Their business isn’t finished either.
• £60m for a chicken-dancing-low-goal return diving **** is getting fleeced with your pants down
• You wanted Richarlison at Arsenal? I remember you saying you liked he was strong in the air. We would’ve had to pay a high fee for him and you would’ve been happy i guess.
• It’s not 60M though. He’s 25, his end product will rise playing with Son, Kane etc. Before he was playing with Alex Iwobi.
• Everything they’re doing makes perfect sense. Conte is plugging holes and building an excellent squad there that’s going to compete at the top, his record at clubs when backed is phenomenal and he’s getting all his targets.
• Not bothered about Richarlison to Sp**s. If they're planning for the future and see him as Son or Kanes longterm replacement then that's a massive drop in quality.
• They haven't borrowed any money. The owners have invested a cash injection of 150 million. Nothing has to be paid back . They dont have huge debts in any negative or prohibitive way. They basically have a very low interest fixed rate mortgage where the yearly payments are a fraction of their huge income. If any of us here think they will struggle to find money, now their stadium is finally generating the huge revenues post covid it was designed to do, they are very much mistaken.
• The stadium cost 2-3x what it was planned to, and they got hit by covid at the worst possible time which even worsened things. Are you a Sp**s fan chiming in? Because there is no way that a new stadium and all those added unexpected problems are not affecting Sp**s. Money doesn't grow on trees.
• Sp**s in advance talk with Djed Spence. So they have already finished their business soon. And Edu is always working hard and pushing hard but nothing agreed
• Levy took seriously forever to get that Championship RB to Sp**s. at one point the deal was nearly off. no one asking Sp**s where the money coming from? interesting.
• What rubbish is this? Absolutely rattled aren’t you?
• Richarlison was pressured to chose Sp**s he waited for better teams.
• Richarlison is extremely talented but he’s been in the league for years now and has always been very hit and miss. The inconsistency would drive me crazy. However, if there ever was a manager to get him to focus and unlock all that natural talent on a regular basis, it’s Conte. So this signing is definitely pissing me off ffs.
• Sp**s 16/1 third favourites for the title. Lump on lads.
• Jesus deal is much better than the Richarlison deal. I can't see how this can be contested. And Sp**s surely wanted Jesus
• How the **** do you know that now?
• Richarlison is always a nuisance against us, he smashed our defense to pieces last season, while Jesus has always been the least fearful of all City attackers. If things aren’t going well in a game, Jesus seems to do nothing. I get the feeling Richarlison will go up a level with better players around him
• Jesus is technically way better, always been rated higher and simply better player
• Jesus is cheaper and more proven. Both play for Brazil. It's very simple. Also other is a jackass who tries to end people's careers with tackles and doesn't even succeed in that.
• Lingard - 150k a week. Hopefully Conte and Paratici paying him that get that Sp**s team more older.
• Man that Richarlison Son Kane attack is gonna be tough to deal with. I remember the game in Everton when our defense had no idea how to stop Richarlison. He was on his own and he scored about 3 goals with VAR ruling out 2 of them. With Bissouma that's quite a reinforcement.
• Sp**s having a good window, yet not jealous of any of their signings, nothing club.
• If we don't get good winger I'll be jealous they got Richarlison other than that it's meh.
• SA_Gunner - Bissouma is not better than Partey, its more Partey being prone. Richarlison is good, but we have similar in Martinelli as well, so not bothered there either. Kane and Son is where they remain clear. Kulusevski looks a good addition too. Those players we've known about. Their trump card is Conte, and getting their system going... that's their best bet for a solid season. He has the ability as well, we'll see the tools come beginning of the season.

Observation Round 2:

- Jesus seen as the better player in Brazil - Maybe until 2018. Since then he's scored 1 in 17 or something ridiculous whilst Richarlison has scored multiple including in a final. Also give me the player that carried a lesser PL club than the won being sold from a top one (who didn't have any actual strikers).

- Stadium is cripping us - Yes the stadium that costs £25-30m in annual repayments and generates 2-3-4x that in additional income.

- Our signings are meh - Our signings are top quality PL proven players to slot alongside our World Class players in Kane, Son and Lloris. They need superstar signings because they don't have any of those. Their star men are in that Kulusevski, Romero, Richarlison class just below.

Nice to see a few in there that have seen the light. Probably the ones that realised Arteta wasn't the answer and wanted Conte at Arsenal.

 

[SpartanSpur]

Kumb

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• I think with kane they will play him behind richardlson. As kane as lost his pace and seems to like to work from midfield and gets forward mainly at set pieces and corners and it will allow song to get more forward with richaldson imo. I'd love to know were the dough coming from as rumours were rife that the new stadium and covid was killing there finances.

Yeah, on Arsemania

 

[Cochise]

Again with the "counter attacking team".

Saw some numpty on reddit defining a counter attack as any attack that takes place with an opponents defence disorganised. Because we inivite opponents to press us and pass through their first two lines we are (according to this guy) counter attacking.

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

Again with the "counter attacking team".

Saw some numpty on reddit defining a counter attack as any attack that takes place with an opponents defence disorganised. Because we inivite opponents to press us and pass through their first two lines we are (according to this guy) counter attacking.

We are a counter-attacking team.

No reason to be ashamed of that. It’s an effective way to score, and we are very good at it.

 

[MrExcel]

All I see from other fans is “…. But why go there, he won’t get into their first 11” or “….why pay that, he won’t get into their first 11” or similar. To me it looks like we are building a team of 18 or so core players, Conte will rotate and play the best performing players tailored to the opposition. That is what we are buying for. Players that have the tools that Conte can trust. Players that understand and have greater awareness tactically, more than we have now.

What got us over the line for CL last season was the team spirit that has been fostered since Conte and his team arrived. He played the players he could trust to play for the team. With a full preseason Conte & co can make that core team play for each other even when not on the pitch. Getting these players in now, for the start of preseason is to create the team we need to challenge. I have no doubt Conte is going for the title this year with a team; not a first 11.

 

[wspur]

It's called vertical football, not counter attacking football. Two very different things.

That's not to say we don't use counter attacks as well, but all great teams have that weapon.

 

[DiscoD1882]

Fabio Vieira: Injured Already

And they talk about us.

Probably rugby tackled by security trying to escape