What the pundits & media are saying about us

[jurgen]

The days of the same 4 teams qualifying for the CL every season are over. Everyone will take their turn outside and players (and fans) will have to get used to it.

What happened to that sustained long term success that ENIC are building for in lieu of trophies? If Kane wasn’t a Spurs man would he have a mandate for asking to leave? Yes. It’s a fact that we’ve regressed. We shouldn’t get too troubled by pundits pointing that out.

 

[RichieS]

What happened to that sustained long term success that ENIC are building for in lieu of trophies? If Kane wasn’t a Spurs man would he have a mandate for asking to leave? Yes. It’s a fact that we’ve regressed. We shouldn’t get too troubled by pundits pointing that out.

Why will our regression be permanent when that of Chelsea, Man U and Liverpool was never assumed to be, by anyone? Everyone will peak and trough. Grabbing a few trophies in each of the next 3 or more decades is entirely possible as we are now building from a much stronger base than we ever have before.

Why do players always get a free pass? Perhaps if Kane and the rest of the team had shown up in the CL final we'd be the current European Champions. God knows Liverpool weren't up to much that night.

 

[Ionman34]

Well if you phrase it as is Harry Kane too good to be playing for a club in the qualifying rounds of the Europa League next season. Then yes he is...

Don’t recall them trying to sell Hazard when Chelsea were in the Europa

 

[jurgen]

Don’t recall them trying to sell Hazard when Chelsea were in the Europa

Hazard seemed to be followed by rumours for some time, and they even finished outside of European places with him, but then again he won 2 titles and 2 cups so he had already had the significant success which Kane hasn't had, so it's not entirely comparable.

 

[TimNiceButDim]

What exactly are you disagreeing with. I know I’m about to open myself up to abuse but if you’re going to bitch about someone have a point. I don’t see to much wrong with his statement bar no talking on our midfield being the problem or that The Who finishes higher is mutual. I’m not disagreeing with him being a twat just make it relevant

Well, his first sentence makes no sense at all. If he’d said “.... I thought that was weird because...” not only would it make sense but it might actually offer some insight in to our season. You know, as you’d expect from an ‘end of season grades’ piece.
Without any explanation as to why it’s weird, it’s just an odd & unfinished statement. Is it weird because we were in the CL final last year have underachieved? Is it weird because we were in 14th place when Jose came in and have overachieved since? My overall thought being, is it really that weird for a team that’s qualified for European football for the last 10 years to do so again?

“Spurs have always had a thing about Arsenal finishing above them” is just a very odd remark. Firstly, that was them. Secondly, it didn’t happen. And thirdly, it hasn’t happened for a few years now. So, I guess I’m just left wondering, what has that got to do with this season in general, let alone Spurs’ season specifically?
He then follows that with “They were a much better team than Arsenal - but they're not much better than them now”.
Aren’t you wondering why our piece is all about Arsenal? We’re not mentioned in theirs once.

Now on to the targets. Apparently Jose’s target was to finish in the CL not the Europa. That might’ve been Levy & Poch’s target in August, but when you take over a team in 14th place, finishing in the CL is pie in the sky. He completely ignores the fact that Jose actually did pretty well to finish 6th and make it to the Europa.
To offer some comparison, in Arsenal’s grade, he talks of Arteta making things better and talks about the “progress” they’ve made under his tenure.
If he can see that progress, surely he can see how Jose has improved us? But no, just a dig about him missing the CL.
Since he loves to compare, I thinks its fairly valid to ask: Wasn’t Arteta’s target to finish in the CL? Isn’t that was their stadium was built for?

His comment about our best defensive pairing is just plain lazy. It’s pretty obvious that after trying out a few options at the beginning, Jose‘s preference is Toby & Dier. However, due to injuries/suspensions we‘ve had to chop & change ever since. Whether they're good enough is another question, one that he doesn’t even ask.
And as you say, our biggest issue this year has been midfield, which he doesn’t even mention.

Lastly, he finishes off by bringing up Harry Kane and whether he’ll stay. What a shocker. When you’ve ran out of ideas, try to sell our best player.

To answer your question, there’s actually not much to disagree with because between all the waffling about Arsenal, schoolboy digs and bad grammar, he barely even commented on our season. The points he did make are akin to what you’d get from your local pissed up gooner in the corner of the pub.

I should probably say that I actually agree with the grade, it’s just the reasoning that makes no sense whatsoever.

 

[longtimespur]

Well, his first sentence makes no sense at all. If he’d said “.... I thought that was weird because...” not only would it make sense but it might actually offer some insight in to our season. You know, as you’d expect from an ‘end of season grades’ piece.
Without any explanation as to why it’s weird, it’s just an odd & unfinished statement. Is it weird because we were in the CL final last year have underachieved? Is it weird because we were in 14th place when Jose came in and have overachieved since? My overall thought being, is it really that weird for a team that’s qualified for European football for the last 10 years to do so again?

“Spurs have always had a thing about Arsenal finishing above them” is just a very odd remark. Firstly, that was them. Secondly, it didn’t happen. And thirdly, it hasn’t happened for a few years now. So, I guess I’m just left wondering, what has that got to do with this season in general, let alone Spurs’ season specifically?
He then follows that with “They were a much better team than Arsenal - but they're not much better than them now”.
Aren’t you wondering why our piece is all about Arsenal? We’re not mentioned in theirs once.

Now on to the targets. Apparently Jose’s target was to finish in the CL not the Europa. That might’ve been Levy & Poch’s target in August, but when you take over a team in 14th place, finishing in the CL is pie in the sky. He completely ignores the fact that Jose actually did pretty well to finish 6th and make it to the Europa.
To offer some comparison, in Arsenal’s grade, he talks of Arteta making things better and talks about the “progress” they’ve made under his tenure.
If he can see that progress, surely he can see how Jose has improved us? But no, just a dig about him missing the CL.
Since he loves to compare, I thinks its fairly valid to ask: Wasn’t Arteta’s target to finish in the CL? Isn’t that was their stadium was built for?

His comment about our best defensive pairing is just plain lazy. It’s pretty obvious that after trying out a few options at the beginning, Jose‘s preference is Toby & Dier. However, due to injuries/suspensions we‘ve had to chop & change ever since. Whether they're good enough is another question, one that he doesn’t even ask.
And as you say, our biggest issue this year has been midfield, which he doesn’t even mention.

Lastly, he finishes off by bringing up Harry Kane and whether he’ll stay. What a shocker. When you’ve ran out of ideas, try to sell our best player.

To answer your question, there’s actually not much to disagree with because between all the waffling about Arsenal, schoolboy digs and bad grammar, he barely even commented on our season. The points he did make are akin to what you’d get from your local pissed up gooner in the corner of the pub.

I should probably say that I actually agree with the grade, it’s just the reasoning that makes no sense whatsoever.

Just as well he's sitting down else we would have seen the stamp of his foot in disgust

 

[Cochise]

I've always found that some of the pundits like to have a crack at us because it's an easy, well trodden route when there are others who get an easier time of it. They seem to jump between seeing us as big club not achieving enough to a small club achieving too much (Kane/Poch are too good for them etc).

There is also the familial sense to it. We are all familiar with the times when we are able to criticise someone close to us, but the moment someone else does it it's considered out of order.

Lastly, I do feel that there is a genuine difference between how some pundits speak about Spurs negatively. Martin Keown is a great example, he's ex-Arsenal and yet as a pundit I genuinely like listening to him. When he speaks about us in a negative way, there is nothing more to it than if he were speaking about any other side, there's a neutrality there. Some of the Skysports lot seem to show us some malice (Charlie Nicholas) and then there's the belittlement from some like Neville and Keane. Now I think about it, I'd say most of the BBC lot (yes even Ian Wright) have the ability to be quite impartial with how they speak about us compared to their Sky counterparts.

This is the difference for me between a good pundit and a bad one and why I'm happy to label some as ****s looking to have a shot at us.

 

[jamesc0le]

robbie keane podcast

Match of the Day: Top 10 - Robbie Keane - BBC Sounds

Berbatov's wizardry, Only Fools and Horses and rooming with Seedorf.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[alexis]

Well, his first sentence makes no sense at all. If he’d said “.... I thought that was weird because...” not only would it make sense but it might actually offer some insight in to our season. You know, as you’d expect from an ‘end of season grades’ piece.
Without any explanation as to why it’s weird, it’s just an odd & unfinished statement. Is it weird because we were in the CL final last year have underachieved? Is it weird because we were in 14th place when Jose came in and have overachieved since? My overall thought being, is it really that weird for a team that’s qualified for European football for the last 10 years to do so again?

“Spurs have always had a thing about Arsenal finishing above them” is just a very odd remark. Firstly, that was them. Secondly, it didn’t happen. And thirdly, it hasn’t happened for a few years now. So, I guess I’m just left wondering, what has that got to do with this season in general, let alone Spurs’ season specifically?
He then follows that with “They were a much better team than Arsenal - but they're not much better than them now”.
Aren’t you wondering why our piece is all about Arsenal? We’re not mentioned in theirs once.

Now on to the targets. Apparently Jose’s target was to finish in the CL not the Europa. That might’ve been Levy & Poch’s target in August, but when you take over a team in 14th place, finishing in the CL is pie in the sky. He completely ignores the fact that Jose actually did pretty well to finish 6th and make it to the Europa.
To offer some comparison, in Arsenal’s grade, he talks of Arteta making things better and talks about the “progress” they’ve made under his tenure.
If he can see that progress, surely he can see how Jose has improved us? But no, just a dig about him missing the CL.
Since he loves to compare, I thinks its fairly valid to ask: Wasn’t Arteta’s target to finish in the CL? Isn’t that was their stadium was built for?

His comment about our best defensive pairing is just plain lazy. It’s pretty obvious that after trying out a few options at the beginning, Jose‘s preference is Toby & Dier. However, due to injuries/suspensions we‘ve had to chop & change ever since. Whether they're good enough is another question, one that he doesn’t even ask.
And as you say, our biggest issue this year has been midfield, which he doesn’t even mention.

Lastly, he finishes off by bringing up Harry Kane and whether he’ll stay. What a shocker. When you’ve ran out of ideas, try to sell our best player.

To answer your question, there’s actually not much to disagree with because between all the waffling about Arsenal, schoolboy digs and bad grammar, he barely even commented on our season. The points he did make are akin to what you’d get from your local pissed up gooner in the corner of the pub.

I should probably say that I actually agree with the grade, it’s just the reasoning that makes no sense whatsoever.

He said -
Spurs have always had this thing about Arsenal finishing above them - most i know have and visa versa
They've reversed the roles because they were a much better team than Arsenal but they're not much better than them now - true
Jose Mourinho's target was to get into the Champions League, not the Europa League. - true
There's problems defensively - took this really as the full backs
he doesn't know what his best partnership is at the back - agreed but he didnt mention injuries
Can they keep Harry Kane - i to am curious about this
I don't think some of the players have adapted to his way. But in judgement of the season they've had, it's been up and down, pretty average.” - even slightly shit really

hes a gooner we have a rivalry its always going to be bought up. Imagine liverpool manu pundits will compare the two constantly

if gooners or tv pundits wind you up you are in for a difficult time of it - its like mary whitehouse when she used to bang on about porn - simply dont watch it (you are mary and porn's the shithouse pundits)

Go zen motherfucker - when ever you see Charlie's podgy bloater on the tv turn off or ohmmmmmmmmm - peace

 

[worcestersauce]

Well if you phrase it as is Harry Kane too good to be playing for a club in the qualifying rounds of the Europa League next season. Then yes he is...

Listening to a commenter the other day alongside Danny Murphy "what about Aubameyang will he stay at Arsenal?"
Danny Murphy's response, "I don't know, I don't know him" I thought it was priceless.

 

[spursfan77]

Jenas thinks we are on a par with arsenal. The same arsenal that finished mid table.And that Wolves are ahead of us despite the table showing different. Ok JJ.

Tottenham will push frustrated Mourinho into perilous corner, claims pundit

Jermaine Jenas says Tottenham boss Jose Mourinho will be "left out to dry" next season and expects the club's struggles to continue.

www.teamtalk.com

 

[al_pacino]

What is clear from most of the pundit/journalists is s lot of the time they are just going along with what each other is saying.

Maybe if they are all in agreement there must be something in it but when you have pundits saying they see what Arteta is doing when they have just won the difficult games at the end of the season playing exactly like Mourinho had Spurs playing. Only more so in some cases, they have defended extremely deeply, had significantly less possession and played a lot of long balls.

I do wonder if there are as many fans on arsemania complaining about winning ugly as there are on here though.

 

[emiley heskey]

What is clear from most of the pundit/journalists is s lot of the time they are just going along with what each other is saying.

Maybe if they are all in agreement there must be something in it but when you have pundits saying they see what Arteta is doing when they have just won the difficult games at the end of the season playing exactly like Mourinho had Spurs playing. Only more so in some cases, they have defended extremely deeply, had significantly less possession and played a lot of long balls.

I do wonder if there are as many fans on arsemania complaining about winning ugly as there are on here though.

I remember when we beat man city by playing deep and on countet attack, pundits saying we didn't have any strategy. Arsenal beat city in the same way in fa cup semi final and pundits told how strategic Arteta is even though the playing style was same

 

[longtimespur]

I remember when we beat man city by playing deep and on countet attack, pundits saying we didn't have any strategy. Arsenal beat city in the same way in fa cup semi final and pundits told how strategic Arteta is even though the playing style was same

Sounds like a few on here with regard to Mourinho

 

[spud]

I do wonder if there are as many fans on arsemania complaining about winning ugly as there are on here though.

Depends. Those who have only experienced the Wenger years probably are, but those from pre-Wenger had dull football their whole lives so they'd probably accept it as normal service being resumed.

 

[ClintEastwould]

 

[Shadydan]

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Funnily enough that makes more sense than the majority of shit Trump spouts.

 

[mark87]

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13 years ago...

 

[ClintEastwould]

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I’ve literally never complained about any neg reps but got a creative from @midspur. Drumpf supporter? ?

 

[ClintEastwould]

13 years ago...

Time flies. Legends never do.